45-70 dangerous game?

[BigHill]

416 Rigby, Norma PH 450 gr, SD .371.

 

[CZDiesel]

416 Rigby, Norma PH 450 gr, SD .371.

Now that’s sectional density!

 

[Brian]

And you can load the 45-70 even hotter in a lever action (42,000psi?). Buffalo Bore has a 380 gr. mono-metal solid at 2075 fps. And Grizzly has a 405 hard cast at 2050fps. Throw in some CEB slugs and you've got something.

MauserDuff, Correct!
The 458 diameter bullet is 10% larger diamete than to 410 grain 450-400 NE bullet. In the 2000fps range on big dangerous game the bigger diameter is better.

The good old 450-400 NE returned to popularity with Hornady bullets and similar being promoted along with it. These types of bullets are mediocre and not near the top of the range DG bullets available these days. The 400 grain CEB Raptor bullet of or the 400 grain North Fork expanding bullet at 2000 fps, would be excellent for the 45-70 Lever, or Single-shot IMO.

The 450-400 NE has gotten a lot of love in the last few years, I'm just saying that the 45-70 when well loaded is just a tad better for cape buffalo.

On Monday I am on a flight to Africa where I have 6 cape buffalo booked. I am taking my 577 NE single shot with 700 grain Peregrine Bushmaster bullets.
Me happy!
Brian

 

[CZDiesel]

Bigger diameter IS NOT better on DG if it doesn’t penetrate! Do you just make this stuff up?

 

[F. Vaccaro]

You called it, I just added video.

Yes the speed is there but the 400gr 458 bullet has a very poor .272 SD where as the 400gr .410 bullet has a very very good .340! This is why the 416 class cartridges penetrate so well…

As I said, my dog isn't in this fight, I'm not going to shoot a cape buff with any rifle at this stage. Just mentioning the .45-70 may be more powerful than some believe in a strong rifle. Not going to argue about DG using it.
It is comforting in the dark timber after elk where there is the possibility of bumping a grizz!