.416 Rem Mag: Information For Building A Budget Big-Game Rifle ( 416 Remington Magnum )

[Ontario Hunter]

Converting REM 700 extractor to Sako or M16 style extractor will change the angle of ejection. That type extractor is added to edge of bolt lug. The extractor works in opposition to the ejector plunger that is at a fixed location in the bolt face. The effect of that change is a higher angle of ejection where spent cases will likely be ejected into scope or scope mount. Approach that modification with eyes open.

Many are going to be hesitant to offer advice in this thread. The OP seems “sensitive” to any criticism and seems to be looking for ideas that agree with his. I tend to agree with @Uncontrolled_round_feed on this one so will leave it at that.

There's a big difference between "criticism" and "suggestion." I have had the stuffed shirts on this site call my 404 project homemade junk and unreliable without ever handling it. The bolt on this rifle will fall open with just the force of gravity. I have posted videos of me rapidly cycling a full magazine and snapping over on cartridges dropped in the chamber. Flawless. I posted images of the fifty yard target with bullets literally landing on top of each other. But hey, it's still junk because it's military surplus, wears used iron sights and a new scope that doesn't cost as much as a good used car, and sits in a secondhand stock. But my "junk" looks very nice and will kill buffalo just as dead as any $20K Rigby. I'm sure if I ever decided to sell it, I could easily get my money out of it and then some. Once I finish the cherrywood case I'm sure the "then some" would be substantial. The net profit realized from knowledge gained and satisfaction from successfully finishing a project that few have the courage to tackle, especially the pampered shorts-and-double-gun crew, is priceless. I say "lack the courage" because that is usually the obstacle. I'm no gunsmith or machinist. No one apprenticed me. My equipment is relatively primitive. And I'm no genius (not quite anyway). But I've never given up on learning ... or anything else. When I die, which is on the horizon, I want to leave that for my grandkids. Not the gun ... just have the courage to challenge and learn.

Hopefully, a few of us here with a bit of experience can help this fella make his project work. It's not the way I would have started but that's fine. If he'd simply done it the way I did then I wouldn't be learning anything either.

On the other hand, it is always beneficial to listen to advice. And seek it before plunging ahead. I would have strongly advised against the hardwood stock before taking that plunge. Those are not made for thumper calibers. But let's see if we can make it work. It's a challenge to be met with courage and maybe some extra thinking outside the box. Speaking of box, I don't think the OP realizes what's all involved in making a project like this cycle properly. Does he know about Paul Mauser's cosine formula for determining magazine dimensions? Just because he has a magnum action (presumably) does not mean the feeding rails and follower will automatically cycle any and all magnum cartridges. I will be very surprised if these parts don't have to be manually modified. Just about anything else undertaken in the build project that goes haywire can be corrected or simply replaced and start over. Screw up the feeding rails and the action is scrap metal. Fixing the rails to start over would require expert welding and machining that would cost four times what the action is worth. Installing the crossbolts is also a bit tricky but at least he's got a stock he can afford to write off if his first attempt fails. I will say if he doesn't at least have a drill press, he should get one. This is not something I would attempt with a hand drill. Even a conventional drill press will be tricky to set up. I drilled my crossbolt holes using a Shopsmith set up as horizontal drill press. A machining lathe could be made to work if available. He will need a forster bit the size of the crossbolt head (be aware those crossbolts are often as not metric). Usually cheaper to buy a whole set of Ryobi forster bits than a single high quality bit. Buy the set. The bit you need will easily hold up through this project. You will need a Dremel tool and a variety of carving and grinding bits. The drum sander function is invaluable. Also, I would advise buying the the cable carving extension for Dremel. Hang the tool overhead and use the bits attached to end of cable. Invaluable! Dremel is perhaps my most used tool for everything. I have both the genuine Dremel and a knockoff from ToolTown. The knockoff is TEN times better quality tool. Gun Butler is a very affordable gun vice. Works just as well as the fancy ones. You will need it for this project. Period!

I'm curious about the extractor business. Does Savage and Remington Model 700 employ the same design extractors? If the extractor does need to be changed, I would wait till the end.

 

[Country-Folk]

Converting REM 700 extractor to Sako or M16 style extractor will change the angle of ejection. That type extractor is added to edge of bolt lug. The extractor works in opposition to the ejector plunger that is at a fixed location in the bolt face. The effect of that change is a higher angle of ejection where spent cases will likely be ejected into scope or scope mount. Approach that modification with eyes open.

Many are going to be hesitant to offer advice in this thread. The OP seems “sensitive” to any criticism and seems to be looking for ideas that agree with his. I tend to agree with @Uncontrolled_round_feed on this one so will leave it at that.

and so now it's time for you to start using common sense ...
A person isn't being sensitive to criticism, as you tried to manipulate it to being, when the criticism is negative and not constructive ... you dont go around calling someone a kid and talking down to them, and then people like you act like someone should then be thankful for or otherwise be accepting of that person's 'criticism'

It's also common sense that I and no one else needs told to use a completely different manufacture after the person already made the responsible decision to use the Savage 110 for the foundation of the build after having been given the suggestion for it AND after his local gunsmithS (plural which means more than just one) confirmed the safe, reliable, and affordable route of building the rifle with a Savage 110

Just to make sure its clear and so everyone can see what was said without having to go back through to search the posts,
Uncontrolled_Round-Feed's initial comment to me
"You seem like a good kid so please PM me and I’ll happily talk to you and maybe even gift you some shit I have"

and then instead of him walking away to find someone else to target with his trolling behavior, he said "Maybe not a good kid. Just another BFE bumpkin trying to cobble together a piece of junk from internet spare parts and bitterness from having no money. Original. Good luck"

Furthermore, I'm justifiably not here to listen to those people who think they know more than what gunsmiths had already advised me with.
All too often the forums are a magnet for the keyboard warriors out there who largely build their information from other mere talkers versus those who have direct experience and ALSO showing proof of that experience for having done the subject matter which is being discussed.
I would certainly choose to follow the information from actual certified gunsmiths with many years of experience, than to listen to those people on here who are mainly good at talking but then fall quite short of backing up that talk with much of anything other than more talk.

With that being said, myself and I also know its others who dont want anyone here if theyre not going to legitimately try being helpful by providing information that directly progresses this particular build for using a Savage 110 for a .416 Rem Mag.
If people dont want to help do that, they can easily walk away and go check out another thread where they can try feeding their need for attention through thinking they know more then a gunsmith with many years of experience

Now lets move on, right
but if anyone continues wanting to troll or support the trolls who come in here instead of legitimately being beneficial here, I can only report those people in hopes that the site's moderator will take appropriate actions on those who go around other people's thread whereby belittlling them, trying to start arguements instead of walking away, and otherwise harassing

 

[Country-Folk]

Following with interest.

I see nothing wrong with any project build as long as the end product is safe and reliable. Often projects like this are for fun and to learn from the process. What we can afford has nothing to do with it, the point is entertainment during the winter months, and to learn about gunsmithing. In a nutshell this is what the OP stated.

We've all known guys that had more money than they knew what to do with that could drop cash on a Bugatti, Lotus or Ferrari, but noooo, they spend their spare time in a garage wrenching on a 1969 Chevy Chevelle. If that's what makes the man happy, I say have at it.

Thank you for the support ... you definitely made very good points

 

[Country-Folk]

There's a big difference between "criticism" and "suggestion." I have had the stuffed shirts on this site call my 404 project homemade junk and unreliable without ever handling it. The bolt on this rifle will fall open with just the force of gravity. I have posted videos of me rapidly cycling a full magazine and snapping over on cartridges dropped in the chamber. Flawless. I posted images of the fifty yard target with bullets literally landing on top of each other. But hey, it's still junk because it's military surplus, wears used iron sights and a new scope that doesn't cost as much as a good used car, and sits in a secondhand stock. But my "junk" looks very nice and will kill buffalo just as dead as any $20K Rigby. I'm sure if I ever decided to sell it, I could easily get my money out of it and then some. Once I finish the cherrywood case I'm sure the "then some" would be substantial. The net profit realized from knowledge gained and satisfaction from successfully finishing a project that few have the courage to tackle, especially the pampered shorts-and-double-gun crew, is priceless. I say "lack the courage" because that is usually the obstacle. I'm no gunsmith or machinist. No one apprenticed me. My equipment is relatively primitive. And I'm no genius (not quite anyway). But I've never given up on learning ... or anything else. When I die, which is on the horizon, I want to leave that for my grandkids. Not the gun ... just have the courage to challenge and learn.

Hopefully, a few of us here with a bit of experience can help this fella make his project work. It's not the way I would have started but that's fine. If he'd simply done it the way I did then I wouldn't be learning anything either.

On the other hand, it is always beneficial to listen to advice. And seek it before plunging ahead. I would have strongly advised against the hardwood stock before taking that plunge. Those are not made for thumper calibers. But let's see if we can make it work. It's a challenge to be met with courage and maybe some extra thinking outside the box. Speaking of box, I don't think the OP realizes what's all involved in making a project like this cycle properly. Does he know about Paul Mauser's cosine formula for determining magazine dimensions? Just because he has a magnum action (presumably) does not mean the feeding rails and follower will automatically cycle any and all magnum cartridges. I will be very surprised if these parts don't have to be manually modified. Just about anything else undertaken in the build project that goes haywire can be corrected or simply replaced and start over. Screw up the feeding rails and the action is scrap metal. Fixing the rails to start over would require expert welding and machining that would cost four times what the action is worth. Installing the crossbolts is also a bit tricky but at least he's got a stock he can afford to write off if his first attempt fails. I will say if he doesn't at least have a drill press, he should get one. This is not something I would attempt with a hand drill. Even a conventional drill press will be tricky to set up. I drilled my crossbolt holes using a Shopsmith set up as horizontal drill press. A machining lathe could be made to work if available. He will need a forster bit the size of the crossbolt head (be aware those crossbolts are often as not metric). Usually cheaper to buy a whole set of Ryobi forster bits than a single high quality bit. Buy the set. The bit you need will easily hold up through this project. You will need a Dremel tool and a variety of carving and grinding bits. The drum sander function is invaluable. Also, I would advise buying the the cable carving extension for Dremel. Hang the tool overhead and use the bits attached to end of cable. Invaluable! Dremel is perhaps my most used tool for everything. I have both the genuine Dremel and a knockoff from ToolTown. The knockoff is TEN times better quality tool. Gun Butler is a very affordable gun vice. Works just as well as the fancy ones. You will need it for this project. Period!

I'm curious about the extractor business. Does Savage and Remington Model 700 employ the same design extractors? If the extractor does need to be changed, I would wait till the end.

Thanks for the support and I'm looking forward to read more of your comment.... I glanced through it and seen something about the differences between Remington and Savage extractors

Will get back to reading it a little later this after noon .... grrrrr I'm having to call our USPS (United States Postal Service) to file a complaint for what's again looking like another incident of them losing my package, and this is the package that has my stock in it and was supposed to be delivered last Saturday