35 Whelen vs 9.3x62

[bruce moulds]

i cannot accept the figures of case capacity where the whelen is given greater capacity.
the shoulder of the 9.3 is noticeably further forward.
the only way those figures could be right is if the 9.3 has thicker brass by a long shot.
the comparison of 280 vs 7x64 might not be as valid as the 280 vs 270 in this discussion.
the differences in diameter are similar to whelen vs 9.3mm.
the 280 holds a bit more powder, and shoots bullets of similar s.d. at about the same speed, and bullets of the same wt faster when loaded to similar pressure.
with similar s.d. bullets, the 280 is noticeably a better killer than the 270.
the 280 is better top end as it has heavier bullets.
same for the 9.3x62 vs the whelen.
probably a good way to look at this debate is that the whelen approaches the 9.3x62 more closely than some might think.
bruce.

 

[bruce moulds]

bob,
any cartridge is a reloaders dream.
bruce.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Where’s Bob??? I can’t believe he hasn’t weighed in on this thread!!!

@WAB
Fear I have been in hospital having shoulder surgery. I may not be able to shoot for 9 months but I can still type and put my 2 cents worth in on this discussion.
If'n you want the ultimate in penetration load the 225 grain Woodleigh hydrostatic stabilized projectiles at 2,9500 fps. These will ream a brontosauras out from end to end.
I don't know how I got the gold typing maybe s9me one will tell me.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

bob,
any cartridge is a reloaders dream.
bruce.

@bruce moulds
Some are a nightmare like the K Hornet with it's thin neck, and the 17s with big boofy hands ain't fun.
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

bob,
good luck with the shoulder.
better stick to the whelen and not go up to the 9.3x64 until after a bit of physio.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

bob,
any cartridge is a reloaders dream.
bruce.

Bruce,
Remember, a nightmare is a dream too.
CEH

 

[WAB]

@WAB
Fear I have been in hospital having shoulder surgery. I may not be able to shoot for 9 months but I can still type and put my 2 cents worth in on this discussion.
If'n you want the ultimate in penetration load the 225 grain Woodleigh hydrostatic stabilized projectiles at 2,9500 fps. These will ream a brontosauras out from end to end.
I don't know how I got the gold typing maybe s9me one will tell me.
Bob

Good to have you back Bob! The world was somewhat amiss with you not weighing in on this thread! Good luck with the recovery!

 

[shootist~]

In the information I pulled off the Nosler website the 35 Whelen (63.3 Gr. Water) has more capacity than the 9.3x62 (62.5 Gr Water)...

I'm guessing those capacity numbers are for "available" capacity with some specific bullet seated to some standard COL.

QuickLoad shows the default "Case Capacity, overflow" for the 9.3x62 at 78.0 grains of H2O.
For the 35 Whelen, the default is 70.2 grains of H2O.

FWIW, when I first looked up potential loads for the 9.2x62 I measured the volume of a Lapua 9.3x62 case at 74.0 grains. No sure if there is some magical way to do this - I just filled the case until I had a convex meniscus.

 

[BeeMaa]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen
You take it easy and don't be skimping on the physical therapy.
Just remember to check in every now and then.
Never know when a 35W thread is gonna pop off.

Never owned a 9.3x62 or 35W, so I'll let this one pass me by.

 

[CoElkHunter]

“convex meniscus “?

 

[shootist~]

“convex meniscus “?

As opposed to concave I guess. Filled to over the top of the case mouth.

 

[CoElkHunter]

As opposed to concave I guess. Filled to over the top of the case mouth.

Thanks!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen
You take it easy and don't be skimping on the physical therapy.
Just remember to check in every now and then.
Never know when a 35W thread is gonna pop off.

Never owned a 9.3x62 or 35W, so I'll let this one pass me by.

@ BeeMaa
Started the physio the next day mate. Painful but needs to be done.
I'm thinking it's about time you borrow a Whelen and try one.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Good to have you back Bob! The world was somewhat amiss with you not weighing in on this thread! Good luck with the recovery!

@WAB
Thanks mate and I do like your sense of humor especially in trying to make me think the 243 actually has a use. Makes me laugh all the time.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

bob,
good luck with the shoulder.
better stick to the whelen and not go up to the 9.3x64 until after a bit of physio.
bruce.

@bruce moulds
No need to go bigger the Whelen is a true do it all for OZ and 99% of other areas in the word

 

[CoElkHunter]

“convex meniscus “?

At first I thought maybe you were referring to the shoulder condition BobNelson35Whelen required surgery for?

 

[meigsbucks]

@WAB
Fear I have been in hospital having shoulder surgery. I may not be able to shoot for 9 months but I can still type and put my 2 cents worth in on this discussion.
If'n you want the ultimate in penetration load the 225 grain Woodleigh hydrostatic stabilized projectiles at 2,9500 fps. These will ream a brontosauras out from end to end.
I don't know how I got the gold typing maybe s9me one will tell me.
Bob

Good luck rehabbing that shoulder.

 

[Clodo Ferreira]

Hi Bob,

Knowing both cartridges are very, very similar in their performance, they are NOT the same.
If one want to be precise, I said again, all things that maters being equal: barrel lenght, bullet weight, pressure, The 9,3x62 has between 50 to 100 f/s velocity advantage over the .35 Whelen. Physics, chemistry and thermodynamics are what they are not mater what.

Cheers!

CF

 

[Christot]

I'm guessing those capacity numbers are for "available" capacity with some specific bullet seated to some standard COL.

QuickLoad shows the default "Case Capacity, overflow" for the 9.3x62 at 78.0 grains of H2O.
For the 35 Whelen, the default is 70.2 grains of H2O.

FWIW, when I first looked up potential loads for the 9.2x62 I measured the volume of a Lapua 9.3x62 case at 74.0 grains. No sure if there is some magical way to do this - I just filled the case until I had a convex meniscus.

Water level should be flat (use a dish liquid to avoid surface tension of water) and the case should be fired in your rifle befor measuring case capacity.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

This for all the people that think the 35 Whelen is a short to medium range game cartridge.
It will also make the 6.5 crudmore man Bun group have second thoughts about it.
As I have been saying a properly loaded Whelen leaves nothing to be desired
Bob