Zimbabwe

@RayB, Some were murdered when they wouldn't leave. Others were just murdered for the hell of it. The killers were never tried. Mugabe said the murders were justified.
Um, for sure they won't be back. Others tried to reclaim their land through the courts and lost.

http://www.newsweek.com/zimbabwe-president-robert-mugabe-white-farmers-651326


ZIMBABWE PRESIDENT ROBERT MUGABE: 'WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE KILLERS OF WHITE FARMERS'

Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe has said that people who murdered white farmers during a government-sanctioned purge in the 2000s will never be prosecuted.

The 93-year-old president addressed a rally in Harare on Monday to mark Heroes’ Day, which commemorates soldiers who have fought for the country, particularly in its independence war against British colonizers.

Zimbabwe implemented a controversial land reform program in 2000 that saw squatters invade and seize hundreds of white-owned farms around the country. The violent seizures resulted in the murder of several white farmers, with many more displaced, and close associates of Mugabe given large chunks of land.

“Yes, we have those who were killed when they resisted. We will never prosecute those who killed them. I ask, why should we arrest them?” Mugabe said, according to Zimbabwean news site NewsDay.

The land reform program led to Western donors cutting aid to Zimbabwe and imposing sanctions on many in the government, including Mugabe himself, who remains under EU and U.S. sanctions. The program is also seen as contributing to Zimbabwe’s economic crisis, as in many cases those who were given land were not as productive as the previous owners.

Zimbabwe verged on economic collapse in the late 2000s after a period of massive hyperinflation rendered its currency worthless. At present, the country is again facing economic turmoil, with high unemployment and a shortage of foreign exchange that has led the reserve bank to print a pseudo-currency, bond notes, raising fears of another round of hyperinflation.

But the land reform program has benefited many black families. Prior to the redistribution of land, there were fewer than 2,000 tobacco farmers in Zimbabwe, the most lucrative type of farming; in 2012, there were 60,000 farmers—the majority black with small plots of land—growing tobacco in Zimbabwe, the New York Times reported.

Mugabe’s government has taken further steps to reduce white influence in Zimbabwe. The government introduced an indigenization law in 2010 that required foreign-owned companies to sell a majority stake to local black Zimbabweans, though it has not been widely implemented.

The president has also spoken out against white residents of Zimbabwe owning land. “We say no to whites owning our land, and they should go,” Mugabe told supporters in 2014. “They can own companies and apartments...but not the soil.”

Earlier in 2017, Mugabe said he was aware of 73 white commercial farmers still operating in the northeast province of Mashonaland East. “We are going to take those farms and re-distribute them to our youths,” said Mugabe at a rally in April, speaking in the local Shona language, News 24 reported.

Mugabe has been in power in Zimbabwe since the end of the country’s war of independence in 1980 and is the world’s oldest non-royal head of state. The governing ZANU-PF coalition has put him forward as its candidate in the 2018 elections, meaning that Mugabe would remain in power until at least the age of 99 if he won the vote and survived the duration of another term in office.


Just for shits & giggles Kenya going the wrong way, OT.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/polit...into-autocracy/1064-4290336-b363p1/index.html

Recent incidents indicate Kenya sliding into dictatorship

In Summary
  • Kenya is classified as “partly free” along with countries known for their strongman tactics and crack down on opposition and the media.
  • It started with the crack down on the civil society groups, otherwise derogatively referred to in Jubilee circles as “evil society”.
  • In the run-up to and after the August 8 and October 26 presidential elections, there were a number of attacks on rights groups.
It was Prof Okoth Ogendo who in his seminal work Constitutions without Constitutionalism: An African Political Paradox observed that “African ruling elites are attracted relentlessly to the idea of constitutions… missing the noble idea of constitutionalism.”

In essence, the world renowned academician was talking of superbly written constitutions but which the ruling elite has steadily been chipping away their foundations so as to maintain a stranglehold on power by all means, including human rights abuses and governing by the barrel of the gun.

By using select provisions of the Constitution when it fits, ignoring the same when it doesn’t and in some instances abusing the same provisions, attacks have been incessant, making Kenya a perfect case of Javier Corrales’ “hybrid regime” also known as “autocratic legalism”.

Some also refer to such a system as “illiberal democracy”.

DEMOCRACY
The waning democracy seems to be gaining traction not only in Kenya but across the world.

The Freedom in the World 2018 report by Freedom House, a US-based watchdog, last month contended that “democracy faced its most serious crisis in decades in 2017 as its basic tenets — including guarantees of free and fair elections, the rights of minorities, freedom of the press and the rule of law — came under attack around the world”.

“Seventy-one countries suffered net declines in political rights and civil liberties, with only 35 registering gains.

"This marked the 12th consecutive year of decline in global freedom.

"The United States retreated from its traditional role as both a champion and an exemplar of democracy amid an accelerating decline in American political rights and civil liberties.

"Over the period since the 12-year global slide began in 2006, 113 countries have seen a net decline, and only 62 have experienced a net improvement,” the report stated.

DISSENTING VOICES
In the index, Kenya is classified as “partly free” along with countries known for their strongman tactics and crack down on opposition and the media like Venezuela, Zambia, Mali, Niger, Uganda and Tanzania among others.

“Political rights and civil liberties around the world deteriorated to their lowest point in more than a decade in 2017, extending a period characterised by emboldened autocrats, beleaguered democracies and the United States’ withdrawal from its leadership role in the global struggle for human freedom,” the report added.

In Kenya, recent happenings would in a way fit into Prof Ogendo’s characterisation of “Constitutions without Constitutionalism” as the safeguards introduced by the new laws in 2010 after years of struggle continue to be watered down — with an onslaught on institutions and dissenting voices.

Though the 2010 Constitution has been hailed as one of the most progressive in Africa, evidence of strongman politics of the Nyayo era have come back in full swing as the Jubilee administration faces accusations of intolerance and ruthlessly cracking down on real and perceived critics, including the media.

PAUL KAGAME
This, some civil rights activists fear, could be a sign of remarks by Jubilee Party vice chairman David Murathe in a television talk show September 29, days after the Supreme Court published its detailed judgment in which they nullified the August 8 presidential election.

“What this country needs now is a benevolent dictator. People have been too soft so that things have gone rogue.

"That is why you find places like Rwanda and Uganda are stable.

"But this country people wake up and make pronouncements that ‘if it doesn’t go my way then it won’t happen’,” Mr Murathe had said.

Nasa secretariat chief Norman Magaya who was part of that talk show was not amused by the remarks, least by the countries Mr Murathe had cited.

“Murathe your models of democracy speak volumes. That you can cite (Paul) Kagame and (Yoweri) Museveni as your models speaks volumes,” Mr Magaya said.

MEDIA FREEDOM
According to Mr Ndung’u Wainaina, the executive director of International Center for Policy and Conflict, history is repeating itself.

“Kenya is all back to 1960s and 70s. Abuse the constitution and consistently disrespect the rule of law, control and ensure a ‘yes’ Parliament, crooked legislation, State House (past years it was Gatundu) delegations, cripple county governments, attack and create pliant judiciary, muzzle independent voices and media, unleash State terror, dominate and force sham election, ensure enticed compliant international community, subtle ethnic profiling and isolation, small elite capture state and economy, more theft, corruption, fraud and ineptitude in public sector, unmitigated cronyism and patronage politics and create a government that excludes the people,” Mr Wainaina said.

On the eve of the “swearing-in” of Nasa leader Raila Odinga, the chairman of the Editors’ Guild Linus Kaikai had raised the alarm over government plans “to shutdown and revoke the licences of any media house that would broadcast live the planned 'swearing in' of Mr Odinga and his deputy Kalonzo Musyoka on Tuesday”.

SWITCHED OFF

Immediately dismissed by some within the Guild as “misrepresentation of facts”, Kenyans woke up on Tuesday to black television screens as government switched off transmission to prevent live broadcast of the Nasa event at Uhuru Park.

The situation has remained so even after High Court judge Chacha Mwita issued orders on Thursday “directing the respondents (Communication Authority of Kenya, Cabinet Secretaries Joe Mucheru and Fred Matiang’i, and the Attorney-General Githu Muigai) to forthwith, restore all television transmissions” until February 14 when the matter will come up again in court.

The black screens have been accompanied by arbitrary arrests of opposition figures and media personalities on charges and forceful entries into the homes of the government critics to enforce arrest orders, akin to the Kanu era Mwakenya crack down on pro-democracy activists.

Ruaraka MP Tom Kajwang’ was arrested outside Milimani Law Courts and spent the night in police cells on Wednesday on charges of “being present and consenting to the administration of an oath to commit a capital offence namely treason".

CASH BAIL
After hours of a cat-and-mouse games with Mr Kajwang’s lawyers and opposition colleagues, the legislator was released on Sh50,000 cash bail.

Meanwhile, lawyer Miguna Miguna’s home was broken into by police officers who arrested him reportedly for his role in Nasa’s event on Tuesday where he was at the centre of administering the oath to Mr Odinga.

Makadara MP George Aladwa was also arrested on Saturday morning and there is fear of many more arrests of opposition figures in the coming days.

Mr Kaikai and two of his NTV colleagues, Larry Madowo and Ken Mijungu, meanwhile were forced to spend Wednesday night in the office to avoid arrest after the government stationed plain clothes officers around the Nation Centre to pounce on the journalists for unknown offences.

The High Court on Friday granted each of them anticipatory bail of Sh100,000 and barred police from arresting them.

ACTIVISTS

Yet these seem to be just the latest acts by the political leadership on the onslaught on the rights of Kenyans.

It started with the crack down on the civil society groups, otherwise derogatively referred to in Jubilee circles as “evil society”.

Using the discredited Non Governmental Organisation (NGO) coordination board and its executive director Fazul Mahamed who has become the chief enforcer, NGOs linked to some politicians and critics of the Jubilee regime have been the subject of harassment and intimidation, including arbitrary closures and raids.

In the run-up to and after the August 8 and October 26 presidential elections, there were a number of attacks on rights groups.

Mr Mahamed targeted the Kalonzo Musyoka Foundation, the Kenya Human Rights Commission, African Centre for Open Governance, Katiba Institute, Inuka Trust and International Development Law Organisation.

JUBILEE CRITICS
The common denominator with all those organisations that were targeted by the board is that they are either associated with opposition figures Raila Odinga and Kalonzo Musyoka, were perceived to have had a hand in the indictment of President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto by the International Criminal Court, or have been critical of the Jubilee administration.

The attacks against the named organisations involved among others, claims of deregistration for allegedly engaging in matters outside their mandates and attempts to freeze their bank accounts for “operating an illegal bank account contrary to provisions of the NGO Co-Ordination Act and attendant regulations”.

There have also been summons to key officials of the organisations to appear before the board as well as raids being conducted at the organisation’s offices a combined team from Kenya Revenue Authority, Directorate of Criminal Investigations and the Board.

INDEPENDENCE
Meanwhile, there has also been systematic weakening of the legal foundations of constitutional commissions and independent offices either through legislative amendments, budget freezes or direct threats.

Those particularly targeted have been the Office of the Auditor-General and its head Mr Edward Ouko, the Judiciary through threats to judicial officers and unilateral slashing of judiciary budgets during the recent supplementary budget so soon after the nullification of the presidential election and the police service, which is now firmly under the control of the Executive.

According to Mr Wainaina, given the direction Kenya is taking, citizens must stand up to safeguard the independence and integrity of the institutions tasked with the defence of democracy.

“Kenyans deserve a democratic, legitimate government that upholds, defends and respects the Constitution and honours the people of Kenya in their diversity,” Mr Wainaina said.
 
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"Did we write 99 year lease"? "Sorry about that typo, it should have read 9.9 years".:Sorry:
 
I love the people I met in Zimbabwe and in some other countries there.
But there is no lasting legal certainty for a white farmer throughout Africa.
To invest a penny there?
No Sir.
From the moment you succeed, they squint at your possessions.
I would prefer to buy Bitcoins.
As unsinning as speculative, but my heart is not in it.
Foxi
 
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I would give a year or two...then we can discuss this subject again..
 
Here's another fly in the ointment. They have a so called "government" in power for a few months. How stable is it? Are there other players in the background waiting to make their move? For all intents and purposes, sub Sahara Africa's political structure hasn't changed in millenniums. Look at its history since the end of colonialism. It's pure tribal rule. One would need to temper his optimism about this country with a large dose of caution.

AWA and TIA apply in spades here
 
No 99 years

When I was working for the Canadian equivalent of the GSA we were given a lecture from the top procurement official 42 years in the department. He asked the question:

When is a contract not a contract? The room filled with senior staff said a contract is always a contract. Me being a scientific type, outsider and sceptic saw it coming.

His response: "When the contract is with a government". Never ever forget that
 
Zimbabwean government's word and a couple bucks will get you a coffee at the local quickie mart. They must be fkn nuts to think anyone with a half a brain would take them up on the offer.
 
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Question. Why would someone who settled in Australia and established their lives, would want to return?

Opportunity!

If you have a strong work ethic and not much capital, you have the opportunity to hit a home run in Zimbabwe. If you have capital to work with.....

Are the risks higher. Of course, but some people don't fit comfortably into Maslow's pyramid.
 
Opportunity!

If you have a strong work ethic and not much capital, you have the opportunity to hit a home run in Zimbabwe. If you have capital to work with.....

Are the risks higher. Of course, but some people don't fit comfortably into Maslow's pyramid.

Not much capital? To farm? WTF??? Are you just going to go down to the tractor and farm implement factory sales floor in Harare and buy equipment? You're looking at least one million dollars, probably two million and maybe even three for site development, roads, equipment, buildings, seed, fertilizer, fuel, wages for labor, taxes, rent, utilities, wells, SECURITY, payoffs to corrupt local officials, etc., etc. As far as the theoretical pyramid, Zimbabwe's government doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of providing the bottom two and without them you have nothing.

Sorry Wheels, I was born at night but last night. In today's political climate worldwide, the white man is anathema to Africa.
 
Opportunity!

If you have a strong work ethic and not much capital, you have the opportunity to hit a home run in Zimbabwe. If you have capital to work with.....

Are the risks higher. Of course, but some people don't fit comfortably into Maslow's pyramid.

But rude under the Peter scheme - you rise to your level of incompetence
 
Not much capital? To farm? WTF??? Are you just going to go down to the tractor and farm implement factory sales floor in Harare and buy equipment? You're looking at least one million dollars, probably two million and maybe even three for site development, roads, equipment, buildings, seed, fertilizer, fuel, wages for labor, taxes, rent, utilities, wells, SECURITY, payoffs to corrupt local officials, etc., etc. As far as the theoretical pyramid, Zimbabwe's government doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of providing the bottom two and without them you have nothing.

Sorry Wheels, I was born at night but last night. In today's political climate worldwide, the white man is anathema to Africa.

Wonder how many people in the Pioneer Column in 1890 had capital to work with. Or, did they come with a dream. It worked pretty well for them.

Not sure where your numbers are coming from, but they seem more first world numbers than third world numbers. Yes equipment will cost similar numbers regardless where you are in the world, but most numbers in Zimbabwe are significantly cheaper than first world numbers.

People with a strong work ethic and a great plan will be able to find the capital. Capital is always looking for a great opportunity backed by hard working industrious people.


Would you have invested in Rwanda in 2000. Would anybody on AH have done so. Have you been to Rwanda lately. Some people invested there. 2013 was the last time I was in Kigali. I went by an acquaintance's house. If I remember correct, he bought the house for around $30,000USD around 2000. 13 years later it was worth over $750,000USD. You can find similar things the world over. Nicaragua since the late 1990's. Eastern Europe after the iron curtain. Dalmatian coast since the Serbian war. Even Mozambique ocean front property has seen a nice bump since things calmed down.


From around 2010 to around 2016, Kenya had the biggest real estate boom in the world averaging apx. 30% per year. Would you have considered buying a farm in Nanyuki, an industrial building in Mombasa or a beach front property in Malindi. If not, you missed out on an incredible opportunity.

Four years ago I asked a citizen of Zimbabwe about the best real estate deal he was aware of. He said he knew of 8,000 acres of brush available for $50,000 with a deed. Not sure if that is still available or not or if the price has already gone up since the change in government. I passed on 4,000 acres of brush land in Tanzania for about $50,000 3-4 years ago. I was flying into Dar maybe five years ago and was visiting with a young lady that worked for the UN and was moving there. If I remember correct, the UN would pay up to $6,000/mth for rent. Values of decent properties have gone through the roof in the last 20 years in Dar.


I will respectfully disagree with your last sentence regarding the "white man in Africa". At least as it relates to Zimbabwe and investment at the current moment. Mugabe created an incredible opportunity by artificially changing the market, IMHO. Could you be right and I be wrong. Certainly.

My comment was directed at the OP's original question and I truly think Zimbabwe may be the best opportunity in the world to invest at this moment. It is certainly not for everybody but it may perfect for some.
 
Wheels, Real estate is your home is NOT an investment, only a hedge against inflation. You buy your house for 50k and in ten years it's 200k. Walk down the street and buy another similar house for 200k. What's your gain? ZERO. Buy a house in another neighborhood for 300k house someone else bought for 60k. Their is no gain. You forgot to leave out the rates of inflation, a key number in determining any kind of investment. It's the reason people invest in the U.S. stock market and not in real estate in Europe or farms in Africa. U.S. stocks consistently beat inflation long term.
Back on track, real estate is one thing, a farming business in a politically unstable black ruled country is another. If you don't think the white man isn't wanted in Africa, read the South Africa newspapers. I do, every day. The wealth inequality in that country is unsustainable. I look at the BIG picture and it doesn't bode well for whites in Africa and it's not unusual for those on the outside looking in to have a better insight than those on the inside.
I was in Mozambique last year. Like Zimbabwe, the government owns all land so I don''t know where you got your information on their beach front property but it is incorrect.
 
Wheels, Real estate is your home is NOT an investment

Only if your talking about your home. Houses are generally the easiest way to invest in a foreign country and they can be a great investment.

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Back on track, real estate is one thing, a farming business in a politically unstable black ruled country is another.

You may very well be correct, but I still think Zimbabwe offers a unique opportunity. Tell you what, you bring back this conversation in 10 years. If I am wrong I will be happy acknowledge it.

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read the South Africa newspapers. I do, every day. The wealth inequality in that country is unsustainable. I look at the BIG picture and it doesn't bode well for whites in Africa and it's not unusual for those on the outside looking in to have a better insight than those on the inside.

The OP was talking about Zimbabwe. Not RSA. I agree with you completely on RSA. I would not be interested in investing there either. RSA and Zimbabwe were much the same 20 years ago. Mugabe changed things and now Zimbabwe and RSA are on completely different ends of the investment spectrum.

I was in Mozambique last year. Like Zimbabwe, the government owns all land so I don''t know where you got your information on their beach front property but it is incorrect.

Terminology of land ownership in many African countries is not "fee simple" as we know it in the USA . It is normally a form of lease, ie: 99 years. I am not sure where you get your information but I know multiple people that own/99 year lease beach property in Mozambique. Possibly even a member or two on AH if they want to speak up.
That being said, I just googled these and know nothing about the sites, but it sure seems properties are being sold in Mozambique.
http://www.move2moz.com/property-for-sale-in-mozambique/
http://www.mozambiquehouses.com/area/property-for-sale-in-tofo/
 

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