Would you adopt a stray dog?

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And by stray dog, I mean a gun with known problems that have to be addressed, but you decide for reasons either sentimental or practical/functional to adopt and restore them. For example, I have rescued two Mannlicher Schoenauer "bubba'd up" rifles that I basically bought to restore out of respect for the Marque. (and of course to use myself) I utilized the actions, but replaced both the stocks and the barrels, and rust blued everything. Both are dependable, smooth, "go to" guns that look appropriately restored to my eye. It helps that I am able to stock and to rust blue myself, otherwise the project would probably have been aborted before it began, due to financial restraints. (the financial restraint's name is Teresa BTW) I had a machinist friend help me with the barreling, though a new barrel is a justifiable replacement expense in itself. Barrels are consumables, after all. The wood, I cut and dried it myself years ago. I came out ahead because of sweat equity. If I had to have all the work done, it could have cost more than a pristine original--but it didn't. Some might have said, that was more consideration than the guns were worth dollar wise. But darn it, some guns just DESERVE to be saved! And some may deserve it even if it costs a pretty penny. There are only a finite number of pre-war guns by English makers, for example.

What are your guiding principles when it comes to adopting a stray? Surely, there are examples of a bridge too far, where we wave farewell and light a candle to the memory. But some CAN be rescued.

My bridges too far include:
Too thin/over honed shotgun barrels/dangerous chamber lengthening
I draw the line at dented barrels, you may find them fixable
Welding or weakening of the receiver ring area on a bolt gun
Unless a family heirloom, something that was just too cheaply made in the first place, that I would not have purchased new
Probably problems complicated enough to scare or confuse me....man's got to know his limits

Reasons to "go for it"
It is a work of art/it has the potential to be a real beauty
The action is of a quality that you would buy one just to do a custom build around it in and of itself
Just because, by God, you want to (this despite odd calibers which are acceptable to you)

Ever rescue one?
 
I've got one. A Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Lc whose SN is in the very low 3 digits.

The person that I rescued it from thought that it was a 44 mag and was loading it very heavy, I once asked him why and he said that because he could. It has lived with me for over 45 years now.
 
The 30-06 barreled military Czech vz.24 action I bought online auction to build into 404J was messed up almost to the point of no return. The previous owner welded on the scope relief bolt handle crooked and warped the back end of bolt. Then he force threaded a bolt shroud on it from commercial Mauser (cut for side safety) and cracked the shroud. It took some work but I managed to true up the bolt end and back handle. Replaced the shroud with Model 70 style safety. Project turned out very nice. Probably about $2700 all together. Guess I could get my money out of it if I was patient.
 
Ive adopted many...

I like to tinker.. and enjoy "fixing" things... and in the case of most of the "basket case" projects Ive taken on, they were already in such bad shape that its not like I could do any real damage to them...

Although I have to admit that on more than one occasion I have spent far more on a firearm to return it to a safe, operational condition, that the gun would ever be worth..

But.. for me.. thats ok.. the money spent isnt any different than money spent on any other hobby.. the enjoyment I get is from the process itself.. not just the final product..

One of the best "deals" I ever came across was an old P14 enfield that had been sportered into a 300 H&H hunting rifle.. the metal looked like absolute garbage with surface corrosion everywhere (but no pitting).. the stock was scratched and dented in several places.. it has a piece of junk $29 tasco scope on it with cheap tasco mounts, etc..

But I could tell at one time it had been a wonderful rifle.. there were several "custom" touches to the stock, the metal work to convert if from a military rifle to a sporter (removing the dog ears, drilling and tapping for bases, etc) had been done exceptionally well, etc..

I was able to walk out of a gunshow with that rifle for $300 including tax, transfer, etc etc..

I probably put another $400 or more into it.. I stripped all the metal down to white, and stripped the stock all the way down to bare wood.. sent the steel off for professional bluing, and refinished the stock myself.. I spent some time tweaking and tuning things so that it would feed reliably.. replaced a couple of the screws that worked, but looked all buggered up.. got some nice bases for it and some good rings.. and threw a decent scope on it.. by the time I was done with it I figured it was easily worth $1K retail...

I ended up selling it to another AH member.. IIRC for a little bit less than I had in the gun.. I didnt really NEED another 300 H&H.. I was able to recover most of the costs associated with it.. and I really enjoyed the process of taking something not worth having and turning it into a rifle that I think a lot of people would be proud to own..

Id gladly pick up another $300 basket case and invest several hundred dollars in it tomorrow just to turn around and sell it for what I have in it..

I enjoy that sort of thing...
 
Been a focus of mine for many years Lee Enfield #4 early on; untold numbers of Mausers, every Mannlicher Schoenauer I can buy right and WIN Model 12’s in full choke cut down slightly and threaded for Winchokes
 
Yes, but only SxS shotguns.

Always something unique about them that caught my eye such as a straight grip, low serial # “A” Grade Fox. It was made when Ansley was still at the factory and str. grip early guns just don’t come up that often. The heart (barrels) are sound but it needs to be put back on face. Bumped in to my gunsmith (well regarded doublegun guy) at the preview. He had gone over it, deemed it worthy and wanted it for the basis of one of his customs but figured it would go for a lot more than he wanted to pay so didn’t return for the auction. He offered to double my money when I called him after the auction to let him know I had picked it up.

That’s one of maybe half a dozen double projects I have held on to. Life has thrown some curveballs and, as the sand flows, I’m not quite sure I’ll ever get to completing them. Still hopeful, though.
 
I once bought a No.4 Smle for $150. It sat in a ram line stock and the barrel was completely shot. @Bob Nelson 35Whelen sent me a 303-25 barrel which installed with cheap or homemade tools. I used a no drill scope base for a while but it keeps coming loose. I have a machinist friend who has a plan to fix it.
Overall it’s a neat rifle that has taken several coyotes and ground hogs. It likes 85 grain ballistic tips.
 
I've got one. A Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Lc whose SN is in the very low 3 digits.

The person that I rescued it from thought that it was a 44 mag and was loading it very heavy, I once asked him why and he said that because he could. It has lived with me for over 45 years now.
That Ruger Black Hawk 45 will out perform a 44 magnum if you so choose. They will handle tremendous pressure.
I like to load mine a bit higher than what a colt SAA will stand but not abusive. I like a 45-270 saa bullet at about 1000 feet.
 
And by stray dog, I mean a gun with known problems that have to be addressed, but you decide for reasons either sentimental or practical/functional to adopt and restore them. For example, I have rescued two Mannlicher Schoenauer "bubba'd up" rifles that I basically bought to restore out of respect for the Marque. (and of course to use myself) I utilized the actions, but replaced both the stocks and the barrels, and rust blued everything. Both are dependable, smooth, "go to" guns that look appropriately restored to my eye. It helps that I am able to stock and to rust blue myself, otherwise the project would probably have been aborted before it began, due to financial restraints. (the financial restraint's name is Teresa BTW) I had a machinist friend help me with the barreling, though a new barrel is a justifiable replacement expense in itself. Barrels are consumables, after all. The wood, I cut and dried it myself years ago. I came out ahead because of sweat equity. If I had to have all the work done, it could have cost more than a pristine original--but it didn't. Some might have said, that was more consideration than the guns were worth dollar wise. But darn it, some guns just DESERVE to be saved! And some may deserve it even if it costs a pretty penny. There are only a finite number of pre-war guns by English makers, for example.

What are your guiding principles when it comes to adopting a stray? Surely, there are examples of a bridge too far, where we wave farewell and light a candle to the memory. But some CAN be rescued.

My bridges too far include:
Too thin/over honed shotgun barrels/dangerous chamber lengthening
I draw the line at dented barrels, you may find them fixable
Welding or weakening of the receiver ring area on a bolt gun
Unless a family heirloom, something that was just too cheaply made in the first place, that I would not have purchased new
Probably problems complicated enough to scare or confuse me....man's got to know his limits

Reasons to "go for it"
It is a work of art/it has the potential to be a real beauty
The action is of a quality that you would buy one just to do a custom build around it in and of itself
Just because, by God, you want to (this despite odd calibers which are acceptable to you)

Ever rescue one?
I felt I did when I bought my Rigby 450 NE with replacement barrels not from Rigby. When I got the gun I saw it had minor problems all I knew could be fixed. When JJ Perodeau he both confirmed and fixed the problems so that I feel like I got a stray dog that turned into a hunters not a person how is a collector champion dog
 
That Ruger Black Hawk 45 will out perform a 44 magnum if you so choose. They will handle tremendous pressure.
I like to load mine a bit higher than what a colt SAA will stand but not abusive. I like a 45-270 saa bullet at about 1000 feet.
On the loadings, I had a couple 44 mags at the time. A Ruger Super Blackhawk and a S&W 629 so I just shoot slightly heavy 45 Lc's out of it.
 
Yup,

Found this one abandoned and starving at a restaurant on a busy road by my house a few weeks ago…

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Probably 7-8 months old Fox Terrier Mix…

Gave her a bath, flea treatment, deworming, fed her good over the weekend, posted on all the sites for lost dogs, no one claimed her.

Had her scanned and found that she had a chip, but not registered?!

Her name is Angel now, and she is one of the sweetest, smartest, and loving dogs you’ll ever meet. Protective, loyal, and gets along great with the other dogs… Sorry easy to train and a joy to be around.

Sorry, couldn’t resist a heartwarming hijack!
 
Yup,

Found this one abandoned and starving at a restaurant on a busy road by my house a few weeks ago…

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Probably 7-8 months old Fox Terrier Mix…

Gave her a bath, flea treatment, deworming, fed her good over the weekend, posted on all the sites for lost dogs, no one claimed her.

Had her scanned and found that she had a chip, but not registered?!

Her name is Angel now, and she is one of the sweetest, smartest, and loving dogs you’ll ever meet. Protective, loyal, and gets along great with the other dogs… Sorry easy to train and a joy to be around.

Sorry, couldn’t resist a heartwarming hijack!

I clicked the link hoping to see puppies. So, you are just giving the people what they want.
 
And by stray dog, I mean a gun with known problems that have to be addressed, but you decide for reasons either sentimental or practical/functional to adopt and restore them. For example, I have rescued two Mannlicher Schoenauer "bubba'd up" rifles that I basically bought to restore out of respect for the Marque. (and of course to use myself) I utilized the actions, but replaced both the stocks and the barrels, and rust blued everything. Both are dependable, smooth, "go to" guns that look appropriately restored to my eye. It helps that I am able to stock and to rust blue myself, otherwise the project would probably have been aborted before it began, due to financial restraints. (the financial restraint's name is Teresa BTW) I had a machinist friend help me with the barreling, though a new barrel is a justifiable replacement expense in itself. Barrels are consumables, after all. The wood, I cut and dried it myself years ago. I came out ahead because of sweat equity. If I had to have all the work done, it could have cost more than a pristine original--but it didn't. Some might have said, that was more consideration than the guns were worth dollar wise. But darn it, some guns just DESERVE to be saved! And some may deserve it even if it costs a pretty penny. There are only a finite number of pre-war guns by English makers, for example.

What are your guiding principles when it comes to adopting a stray? Surely, there are examples of a bridge too far, where we wave farewell and light a candle to the memory. But some CAN be rescued.

My bridges too far include:
Too thin/over honed shotgun barrels/dangerous chamber lengthening
I draw the line at dented barrels, you may find them fixable
Welding or weakening of the receiver ring area on a bolt gun
Unless a family heirloom, something that was just too cheaply made in the first place, that I would not have purchased new
Probably problems complicated enough to scare or confuse me....man's got to know his limits

Reasons to "go for it"
It is a work of art/it has the potential to be a real beauty
The action is of a quality that you would buy one just to do a custom build around it in and of itself
Just because, by God, you want to (this despite odd calibers which are acceptable to you)

Ever rescue one?


I prefer to "foster" them for friends. I have taken rifles that friends couldn't get shooting well, or functioning properly, or needed reconditioning and rehabbed them and gave them back. I haven't done it in a little while now, but I used to enjoy doing it just for the satisfaction and to do a favor for a friend.
 

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