World's Largest Rhino Farm Bought By NGO

[Dinsdale]

Africa Parks as an organization has a good reputation at what they do.

And it’s a 10 year plan; they aren’t dumping 2000 rhinos willy nilly anywhere they can find space next week.

 

[spike.t]

My point is long term more will be poached on government land than private land. You are living in a fantasy world if you don't believe that. Look at what John Hume has accomplished.
We all hope for the best for the future of rhinos.

Do you actually know what you are talking about?....do you know anything about African parks or what they do and have achieved?...

 

[spike.t]

Africa Parks as an organization has a good reputation at what they do.

And it’s a 10 year plan; they aren’t dumping 2000 rhinos willy nilly anywhere they can find space next week.

Bit of sense here amongst the nay sayers who honestly haven't a clue...

 

[wesheltonj]

Bit of sense here amongst the nay sayers who honestly haven't a clue...

You do realize the Duke of Sussex is the President. His wife is not a friend of hunters or guns.

 

[DLSJR]

African Parks buying John Hume’s ranch is the best possible outcome that could be hoped for. They’re pro hunting and are doing good things in multiple African countries.

 

[375Fox]

You do realize the Duke of Sussex is the President. His wife is not a friend of hunters or guns.

Plenty of hunter’s wives aren’t a friend of hunters or guns. What are their results? Where have them demonstrated being anti-hunting? I can’t understand the thought process of classifying all non-hunters/non-hunting organizations as the enemy which seems to often be the case here. If they add conservation value it helps us. Hunting areas do border some of the parks they manage. It appears they invest in national parks many would not otherwise. Rhinos are just a liability in South Africa without legal horn trade. The only value these 2000 rhinos would have had otherwise would be selling them out 1 by 1 for hunting. The dehorned rhino hunts for cheap prices aren’t adding conservation value in many cases. Many cases the landowner simply wants them gone. 2000 rhinos being reintroduced to well funded national parks sounds like a better alternative to me at the present.

 

[375Fox]

My point is long term more will be poached on government land than private land. You are living in a fantasy world if you don't believe that. Look at what John Hume has accomplished.
We all hope for the best for the future of rhinos.

Looks like he went broke financially? Who wants rhinos on their land? They are unfortunately just a financial and security liability most don’t want and can’t afford.

 

[375Fox]

My point is long term more will be poached on government land than private land. You are living in a fantasy world if you don't believe that. Look at what John Hume has accomplished.
We all hope for the best for the future of rhinos.

This was informative but very sad for me to listen to. They are probably one of the private landowner who do the most and still view it as a losing battle at present.

 

[BRICKBURN]

........hume put his rhino operation up for sale...no takers....so Africa parks I would say luckily came along.....the alternative I don't think would have been good.....

No, it would not have been a good alternative.

 

[Philip Glass]

Looks like he went broke financially? Who wants rhinos on their land? They are unfortunately just a financial and security liability most don’t want and can’t afford.

Especially when you don't hunt them. He did nothing but spend money. If horn trade was legal he would be one of the wealthiest in RSA.

 

[Zambezi]

Stuart explained his first post in his follow up. I think hardly anyone is disputing that it was a good thing for AP to take over this business. If they didn't there would be zero rhino there within a year. His worry (and mine) is the corruption within the receiving parks. As soon as govt gets involved you can be sure the locations will be made known.

We have tried the non-trade for decades now and it doesn't work unless you throw TONS of money at it. It is not sustainable. The old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.......

If any species is to survive they must pay for themselves. Period. The great thing about rhino horn it is THE most valuable commodity (pound for pound) on the planet that I can think of that can be sustainably harvested. I'm sure you'd soon see every game farmer carrying rhino if it was profitable... They'd soon become like impala.

 

[Aaron N]

Stuart explained his first post in his follow up. I think hardly anyone is disputing that it was a good thing for AP to take over this business. If they didn't there would be zero rhino there within a year. His worry (and mine) is the corruption within the receiving parks. As soon as govt gets involved you can be sure the locations will be made known.

We have tried the non-trade for decades now and it doesn't work unless you throw TONS of money at it. It is not sustainable. The old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.......

If any species is to survive they must pay for themselves. Period. The great thing about rhino horn it is THE most valuable commodity (pound for pound) on the planet that I can think of that can be sustainably harvested. I'm sure you'd soon see every game farmer carrying rhino if it was profitable... They'd soon become like impala.

And once you open up the market on those horns increasing supply, the price should do a nose dive. Ideally this alleviates pressure on the wild populations.

Common sense isn’t that common anymore though!

 

[Zambezi]

The trade in horn and diamonds have at least one parallel, the top dealers have warehouses of stock and keep the prices artificially elevated. There is no reason that that would change. But a glut of horn on the market would lower it somewhat.

The benefit of legal trade is that it would make it profitable for landowners to keep rhino and the price would pay for increased patrols and security. It would mean that anyone could buy a couple of them and realistically see a ROI.