Winchester Model 1905 in .35 Cal

[NIGHTHAWK]

Going through my number 4 Gun safe which has old rifles, shotguns, rimfires, knives, swords, and a few older military rifles, I came across this.

I’m not sure what it’s worth, but I’ll post it along with several older guns and gear I need to purge…

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Going through my number 4 Gun safe which has old rifles, shotguns, rimfires, knives, swords, and a few older military rifles, I came across this.

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I’m not sure what it’s worth, but I’ll post it along with several older guns and gear I need to purge…

@NIGHTHAWK
Is it 351 Winchester self loading or 35 Remington.
Bob

 

[Flewis]

Bob, 351. I think Mr Bell had one. Wasn’t that the parent for the m1 carbine?

 

[Sarg]

I think the 1905 was in 35 WSL - Winchester Self Loading & the 1907 was the more powerful .351WSL, Hammer/Hamer of the FBI used one on Bonnie & Clyde, most of the old school bad guys used them with extended mags, alongside Thompson 1927 .45s .


I really like these old girls, had a 1910 .401Win bit heavy but cool old very Deer capable round !

All ours are now at the Tip because of Aussie Terrorist shooting up the local Muslims !

 

[Flewis]

The more I think about it I believe you are right. Always wanted a 401.

 

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@NIGHTHAWK
Is it 351 Winchester self loading or 35 Remington.
Bob

I looked again Bob and it is the Self Loading Model, but .35 Cal.

 

[SFRanger7GP]

I think the 1905 was in 35 WSL - Winchester Self Loading & the 1907 was the more powerful .351WSL, Hammer/Hamer of the FBI used one on Bonnie & Clyde, most of the old school bad guys used them with extended mags, alongside Thompson 1927 .45s .


I really like these old girls, had a 1910 .401Win bit heavy but cool old very Deer capable round !

All ours are now at the Tip because of Aussie Terrorist shooting up the local Muslims !

Frank Hamer was my childhood hero. I think I have read everything that was ever written about him and had the honor to hold several of his firearms. Frank Hamer was a big Remington Model 8 fan. He carried one in 25 Remington for the longest and later went to the 35 Remington. He was actually using one with a 15 round mag during the famous ambush. Also, he was a Texas Ranger, never an FBI agent.

Safe shooting

 

[Sarg]

Excellent, well I was going from memory & knew he had a flashed up .35 of some type lol

I had a Rem Mod 8 in 30Rem at one time & thought that was a 1905-1907 as well, got my wires crossed on the Rem - Win.

I was reading up on them back then (years ago) & remember underworld & law enforcement gunsmiths were fitting big mags & other mods.

FBI had them to but didn’t remember Frank was a Ranger, I wasn’t reading up on him but I’m sure he was something to.

 

[93marlin]

I looked again Bob and it is the Self Loading Model, but .35 Cal.

It's a 35 self loader caliber. Not a 35 Remington. The Remington was more powerful, not really sayin' much, than the 35 Self Loader.
They were neat Blowback action action. Many had developed a crack in the fore arm due to the weight necessary for the blowback to work properly with the rifle.

 

[cajunchefray]

Frank Hamer was my childhood hero. I think I have read everything that was ever written about him and had the honor to hold several of his firearms. Frank Hamer was a big Remington Model 8 fan. He carried one in 25 Remington for the longest and later went to the 35 Remington. He was actually using one with a 15 round mag during the famous ambush. Also, he was a Texas Ranger, never an FBI agent.

Safe shooting

I believe that Frank Hamer used a Remington Model 8 in the shootout, along with 5 other lawmen, that put an end to Bonnie & Clyde in Bienville parish north Louisiana, May 23, 1934.

As a 7 year old, my Dad took me to see the Bonnie and Clyde '34 Ford, on display in Baton Rouge.
The cops shot the hell out of that car and those criminals. I think 120 rounds.
Made an impression on me to this day.

 

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It's a 35 self loader caliber. Not a 35 Remington. The Remington was more powerful, not really sayin' much, than the 35 Self Loader.
They were neat Blowback action action. Many had developed a crack in the fore arm due to the weight necessary for the blowback to work properly with the rifle.

.35 Caliber?

Model 1905?

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

I found this old timer too:

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

Here is a post on another site that is really interesting, it tells a lot.

35 WSL in Winchester 1905 rifle
For Christmas of 2005 I was given a Winchester Model 1905 rifle in .35 Winchester Self Loading caliber. This is one of the first semi-auto rifles produced commercially.
Winchester made more than 29,000 Model 1905s from 1905 to 1920. It was offered only in .32 Winchester Self Loading and .35 Winchester Self Loading calibers, commonly called the .32 WSL or .35 WSL.
The .35 WSL is roughly equal to the .357 Magnum, tossing its 180 gr. jacketed bullet at about 1,400 feet per second.
The 35 WSL was not well-liked by hunters. They said it was marginally effective on deer.
So Winchester decided to introduce a more powerful .35-caliber cartridge for its autoloading line: the Model 1907 for the .351 WSL (note the 1 in its name) had a longer case to hold more powder. The .351 WSL tossed a 180 gr. jacketed bullet at about 1,800 fps, fully 400 fps more than its parent .35 WSL cartridge.
This made it a more powerful deer round but it's still no powerhouse.
The .351 WSL operates at higher pressure than the .35 WSL that preceded it and loads for it should not be used in the .35 WSL.
I will deal strictly with the .35 WSL and the Model 1905 rifle.

The Model 1905 Winchester is a blowback action design. That is, the resistance of the bolt's weight, a counterweight inside the wooden forearm, and the spring pushing the bolt against the cartridge, are all that keep the cartridge in the chamber during firing.
This is not a particularly strong design but amply strong for the .35 WSL cartridge.
The use of loads more powerful than the factory standard will damage the action and may be dangerous.

This action is delicately balanced against a narrow pressure and bullet weight range, for proper functioning. If you reload, for best results try to match the factory standard of a 180 gr. bullet at about 1,400 feet per second.

If you are lucky enough to receive a box or two of original .35 WSL ammo with your rifle, don't shoot it! These cartridges and boxes are good collectibles.

WINCHESTER 1905 SERIAL NUMBERS
This rifle was numbered sequentially, making it possible to determine the date of manufacture. The serial number will be found in two places on the left side, on the lower frame and upper receiver, just above the trigger.
At the end of the calendar year, the last serial number reached was:
1905 --- 1 through 7224
1906 --- 7225
1907 --- 18307
1908 --- 22214
1909 --- 23406
1910 --- 24302
1911 --- 25446
1912 --- 26527
1913 --- 27627
1914 --- 28585
1915 --- 29137
1916 --- 29589
1917 --- 29938
1918 --- 30326
1919 --- 30615
1920 --- 31318
1921 --- 31391
1922 --- 31447
1923 --- 31457
The highest serial number known is 31467. Though the 1905 was discontinued in 1920, complete rifles continued to be assembled from parts into the early 1920s.

 

[Sarg]

Oh another beauty & one of my favourites, I only had one of these & many Model 14 & 14 1/2, still have a few 14 1/2 in 38/40 & 44/40, we got to keep these but had to cut the magazines in the full rifle 14 1/2s as they held more than 10rds .

I’m still in the process of making a 44Mag on a bunch of part guns I have, I think a .444 would work to if i put in the Model 14s guts ?

These shoot amazing well for two part stock old timer, my Model 25 in 32/20 would stack bullets in the same hole up to 80yds maybe farther, shot lots of Goats with it & old school Taipan bullets.

This is with the 38/40.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Oh another beauty & one of my favourites, I only had one of these & many Model 14 & 14 1/2, still have a few 14 1/2 in 38/40 & 44/40, we got to keep these but had to cut the magazines in the full rifle 14 1/2s as they held more than 10rds .

I’m still in the process of making a 44Mag on a bunch of part guns I have, I think a .444 would work to if i put in the Model 14s guts ?

These shoot amazing well for two part stock old timer, my Model 25 in 32/20 would stack bullets in the same hole up to 80yds maybe farther, shot lots of Goats with it & old school Taipan bullets.

This is with the 38/40.
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@Sarg
Those old tipans are great.
I still have a few hundred 135gn hollow point for my 303.
Didn't realise you were an Ozzie.
Great billy
Bob