Why you should consider hunting dangerous game in South Africa

So I will admit that I've never totally understood this. I get that there is no fence between Kruger and the private reserve, but isn't the outside of the private reserve fenced, effectively making a fence (albeit with a big buffer and comprising a large area) around Kruger? Or, are there areas that are true "free range" with no outside border fence with the intention, successful or not, of keeping animals in?

I thought that between these outside fences and natural barriers (rivers) that Kruger was "fenced."


@Royal27, yes there is an outside border/fence on the outer side of these huntable areas, in South Africa, but no fenced seperating the partk from them. Animals from KNP can move freely from te park to and from Zim and Moz, from there no more explanation would be needed regarding the unfenced. SA has a KNP border separating it from towns etcetera, and that fence falls on the outside of these hunting blocks. A fenced area is only when it is completely surrounded by a fence and no animal can enter or exit through it.

Other boundaries with KNP are formed by natural riverbeds as well as just a road, as in the picture below. Left side is KNP, right side hunting concession, also a picture of the old KNP gate located in one of these exclusive hunting areas. There is also still some old fence posts standing around.
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So the question is, with a hunting area ranging up to 200 000ha all together, unfenced with KNP, with the only fence on the SA side outside these blocks to keep wildlife out of towns, the does that somehow mean its fenced and animals do not roam free?
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Getting back to the trees, it is unfortionately due to an over population of elephant...
 
Heinrich, have they got any plans to deal with the over population of elephant?
 
Not that I know of, hunting quotas are very small, and the anti hunters wont tolerate any solution believing nature should take its own course unfortunately. The population has been out of hand with thousands of elephant to many and devastating habitats for years already.

So not sure in which direction it would go in the future..
 
Almost end of our season, just a few eli, buff, lion, hippo and croc left to hunt. From the second week in November its back to the office, and the marketing spree starts again.

What hunts do you guys still have left?
 
We are moving off to the Kalahari nextfor some excitement with friends from Hungary!
 
@Royal27, yes there is an outside border/fence on the outer side of these huntable areas, in South Africa, but no fenced seperating the partk from them. Animals from KNP can move freely from te park to and from Zim and Moz, from there no more explanation would be needed regarding the unfenced. SA has a KNP border separating it from towns etcetera, and that fence falls on the outside of these hunting blocks. A fenced area is only when it is completely surrounded by a fence and no animal can enter or exit through it.

Other boundaries with KNP are formed by natural riverbeds as well as just a road, as in the picture below. Left side is KNP, right side hunting concession, also a picture of the old KNP gate located in one of these exclusive hunting areas. There is also still some old fence posts standing around.View attachment 49141

So the question is, with a hunting area ranging up to 200 000ha all together, unfenced with KNP, with the only fence on the SA side outside these blocks to keep wildlife out of towns, the does that somehow mean its fenced and animals do not roam free?View attachment 49140

Getting back to the trees, it is unfortionately due to an over population of elephant...


Good morning fellow Hunters,

If we wander far enough, in any direction, anywhere on earth that we might hunt or fish upon, we will eventually come to a fence or, a natural geographic barrier or, an oceanic barrier.

The trick is to plan your outings to the best places you can afford to go to and fenced or not, that usually means some place that is large enough to get lost in without your hired Guide or perhaps these days, your GPS.

"Best" might also be defined as being so huge as to provide you with many days away from civilization without seeing fences during your activities, even though somewhere over the horizon there is a fence.

And, so vast that the game is breeding and living naturally as it would have on the same land a thousand years ago.

The human mind is such that when we say "fenced" our brain will always compartmentalize it into one complete thought picture, leaving us to see a relatively compressed place, that can be explored in a short time.

My brain is so stunted that I always visualize a fenced place as something I can see the boundaries of by climbing a tree or a hill in the middle of said plot.

In Aftica, some fenced land holdings are larger than many Counties are here in the USA.

And yet, I never hear anyone say:
"I would not hunt within such and such County because it is surrounded by roads, cattle ranches, barbed wire fences, soy bean fields, houses, gas stations, football stadiums and other noxious man made things."

Of course there also are some very small fenced hunting places in Africa where there is not enough land to support naturally self populating numbers of animals.

So, often times these land owners will offer "put and take" conditions for clients (not always admitting this unless specifically asked).

In other words and for instance, as a kudu bull is taken by a client hunter, the land owner calls a game farmer and orders another kudu to be delivered, before the next client arrives.

One of my friends here "won a Safari" at an SCI Banquet and his first trip to Africa was disappointing due to exactly this put-and-take thing as described.

For those who are happiest with going to a small put-and-take outfit, I have no complaint however, I am not interested in it for my own hunting and fishing efforts.

Alaska has no fenced hunting areas but there are nature's physical boundaries here.

I have had more than one person here say to me they would never hunt in Africa unless it was where there is no fence whatsoever.

Yet these same idealistic men hunt deer, elk, goat and bear on some of our very small islands (some are much smaller than a couple of private land holdings I have hunted in Namibia and South Africa).

They always retort with:
"the animals here can swim off these islands".

Really? When was the last time you were hunting any of these, especially a mountain goat, and a after spotting you trying to stalk within rifle range, it swam away in the sea?

Ladies and Gentilemen of The Jury, the deFENCE rests.

Cheers,
Velo Dog.
 
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A famous TV personality and hunter was talking about why he used a muzzle loader for much of his hunting, especially to take some of the "slams". He spoke eloquently of the adventure, challenge... and how for it to be a hunt worth doing, and adventure worth taking, there has to be an element of failure present.

Then talking to a young up and coming PH whom I think seems to really "get it"... He pointed out that translated , the word Safari means "journey"... And then we spoke some of the journey of life, journeys being adventures, and how the truly memorable hunts need to be adventurous and real journeys.

Now all this means different things to different people. Sometimes a frustration with the journey, the adventure, and of course the hunt... comes from there being a fence encountered... However for me personally, any such frustrations have not been so much because of a fence itself, nor the animals within the fence... But rather the people involved and their lack of understanding of all the above points.

My limited experience so far has me being very cautious of booking any hunt in RSA, and especially a DG hunt... Being cautious to line up with the right people being the first priority. And what type of property I'm hunting being a second concern. I suspect there is a greater chance my desires at this point will more likely be realized in the more wild places of Africa.
 
Well said Bob. I couldn't agree more.
 
Royal;
I should clarify that of three memorably negative experiences I've had in RSA... They all involved the property owner or manager, not specifically the PH or outfitter, although the outfitter does have choices on properties and thus owners/managers to deal with. These 3 guys just did not understand the goals as I listed in the previous post, and those individuals never will. It is all about getting the animal as quickly and easily as possible and getting on to lunch and a mid day nap o_O

Suffice it to say, I have determined that I prefer to be the fattest and laziest farmer on my hunts;)
 
A famous TV personality and hunter was talking about why he used a muzzle loader for much of his hunting, especially to take some of the "slams". He spoke eloquently of the adventure, challenge... and how for it to be a hunt worth doing, and adventure worth taking, there has to be an element of failure present.

Then talking to a young up and coming PH whom I think seems to really "get it"... He pointed out that translated , the word Safari means "journey"... And then we spoke some of the journey of life, journeys being adventures, and how the truly memorable hunts need to be adventurous and real journeys.

Now all this means different things to different people. Sometimes a frustration with the journey, the adventure, and of course the hunt... comes from there being a fence encountered... However for me personally, any such frustrations have not been so much because of a fence itself, nor the animals within the fence... But rather the people involved and their lack of understanding of all the above points.

My limited experience so far has me being very cautious of booking any hunt in RSA, and especially a DG hunt... Being cautious to line up with the right people being the first priority. And what type of property I'm hunting being a second concern. I suspect there is a greater chance my desires at this point will more likely be realized in the more wild places of Africa.


Royal;
I should clarify that of three memorably negative experiences I've had in RSA... They all involved the property owner or manager, not specifically the PH or outfitter, although the outfitter does have choices on properties and thus owners/managers to deal with. These 3 guys just did not understand the goals as I listed in the previous post, and those individuals never will. It is all about getting the animal as quickly and easily as possible and getting on to lunch and a mid day nap o_O

Suffice it to say, I have determined that I prefer to be the fattest and laziest farmer on my hunts;)


Well Bob....you really hit in the nail head.....1000% agree......is not just because a fence.....as you said.....first of all, the people with I´ll go with.......the rest, fences or not, size land, terrytories comes next and well behind.....!!!!!

What you have written is really a ultra valid concept in my opinion, and I say this from my PH point of view and having 10 years working for the same hunting operation.

Where I work, We stop when We can, We eat when We can, We sleep when We can, We take a shower when We can, and I can keep going with the list.......Allways, first of all is the hunter and his hunt.......when there is a hunter in the camp nothing more exist but the hunter and his hunt.......the way it should be.....!!!!!

Over time I have found many people (profesionals) with whom it is very difficult to deal with when the lunch and siesta time is close......I will never understand this........!!!!!

Thanks......mis dos centavos guys.....!!!!
 
It is all about getting the animal as quickly and easily as possible and getting on to lunch and a mid day nap o_O

Well....

At your age a nap is important.... :A Wheelchair:
 
Well....

At your age a nap is important.... :A Wheelchair:
LOL, so those South African Farmers seemed to think!

The one who blew our stalk on a very nice reedbuck came driving the truck along until the reedbuck followed it and spotted us. Imagine the reedbuck being the here # and the truck ......................................................................Here $

and the PH and I here ....................................................... & ................................ then the truck drives up with the reedbucks head slowly turning as he follows the truck to ............... here ................ $ at which point the reedbuck spots us and runs off....

Just like lining up the sights!
 
@ActionBob very valid points raised, and I do agree 100%, that is the case on a lot of farms, I've had that experience in the past as well, its a pitty, as it influences the wole of SA badly!

There are however some great areas in SA, with well managed staff, and great outfitters providing services and experiences that few other can.

Most important is to choose a reputable outfitter as step one, by doing that you eliminate all possible disappointments.
 
I've read this thread with great interest. I will be a first timer to Africa next year. I chose SA for many reasons, primarily because the logistics and timing were easier with the limited vacation time available. My safari will be one that I'm sure will draw criticism from some as not being a true buffalo hunt. I have long dreamed of buffalo, but couldn't justify the cost of a trophy bull. ( Yes, I can afford it, I just chose not to spend that much) I will be doing a cow hunt along with some plains game. Is it the classic safari that I read about in my youth? Absolutely not, but it satisfies my desires. I will see some beautiful country and hopefully have the hunt of a lifetime. I'm sure it will be perfect in its own way!
 
I've read this thread with great interest. I will be a first timer to Africa next year. I chose SA for many reasons, primarily because the logistics and timing were easier with the limited vacation time available. My safari will be one that I'm sure will draw criticism from some as not being a true buffalo hunt. I have long dreamed of buffalo, but couldn't justify the cost of a trophy bull. ( Yes, I can afford it, I just chose not to spend that much) I will be doing a cow hunt along with some plains game. Is it the classic safari that I read about in my youth? Absolutely not, but it satisfies my desires. I will see some beautiful country and hopefully have the hunt of a lifetime. I'm sure it will be perfect in its own way!

@Catahoula , nothing wrong with that list. We look forward to your safari photos.
 
Looking forward to the update on your safari!
Which outfit are you going with and where?
 

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