Why not a Dangerous Game lever?

[Flbt]

Hmmm, agreed, but only to a point

The .45-70, .45-90 (Win 86) and .405 (Win 95) are certainly quantum leaps of power from the 30-30 et al. but they still pale, even with modern loads, compared to even the .416 Rem or .458 Win, not to mention to .458 Lott, and the .45-70, .45-90 (Win 86) and .405 (Win 95) are the most powerful cartridges that Winchester chamber in their various lever actions.

Interestingly, I note that the Browning BLR that is a lever action with rotating bolt head and that is chambered for the .450 Marlin, could clearly handle the .458 Win case head (the .450 Marlin is a shortened .458 Win) and length (the BLR is chambered in .300 Win Mag as well, and .458 Win & .300 Win have the same SAAMI COAL of 3.34"). Yet it is not offered in .458 Win.

I wonder why...

Technical concern or marketing dead end?

This being said, can you kill a Buffalo or Lion with a modern .45-70, .45-90, or .405 Win load from a modern Winchester 86 or 95; or with a .450 Marlin load from a Marlin 1895M or Browning BLR; or with a .460 or .500 S&W load from a Big Horn Armory 89; and why not a .444 Buffalo Bore load with heavy hard cast bullet from a Marlin 444? Absolutely!

Is it a stunt? I do not think so, given the right circumstances and the right shot(s), but there is no escaping the fact that you are on the low edge of what over a century of conventional field experience considers the minimum safe power.

You ever handle a blr?
There light and the stright stocks ones to me make recoil a bit worse.
The 358w in the blr kicked worse than the 358 in the 7600 or the m77
It was on par with the 338win mag.
I would guess with out a lot of additional weight a 458w in a blr would be painful at the best dangerous at the worst.

I have had people shot the 358 and not want to tuch it again and the 358 not that bad recoil wise

 

[mgstucson]

You ever handle a blr?
There light and the stright stocks ones to me make recoil a bit worse.
The 358w in the blr kicked worse than the 358 in the 7600 or the m77
It was on par with the 338win mag.
I would guess with out a lot of additional weight a 458w in a blr would be painful at the best dangerous at the worst.

I have had people shot the 358 and not want to tuch it again and the 358 not that bad recoil wise

I am thinking the same thing. I am anticipating installing a bull barrel and weight in the stock to bring gun weight up to 10 pounds plus.

 

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[expresshunt]

Okay. So leaving out the "guide who knows his 4570 well" would you prefer to see a client show up with a 45/70 or something with somewhat more power, say .375 H&H, .458 Win, etc?

Yes I hear what your saying. I'm keen for either to rock up, and we hunt within the cartridge range and bullet capability. Most cartridges do well side on.. with the required expansion./or wound chanell effect.
27 years ago I sold a nice 458, as we lost 3 buffalo in one season, not good... 500gr SP's rolled em over, and they took off. I blamed the faster expansion, and lack of penetration, on the frontal or angled shots taken. Now we have 500gr Barnes X, Cup points and Hydros.. and good damaging penetration, and 450 grainers available that can go a bit faster too.
The 416 Rigby always did very very well.
Had a 500 Jeffery on a floodplain once, shooting a Buffalo around 140yds for meat for an Aboriginal clan funeral. My first 2 Protected Point 535grainers zipped though the chest with no apparent effect, so I smashed the shoulder, and put the animal down.. I guess under some circumstances, some tough bullets dont open up.
We still apply, load 2 SP on top and 2 solids in bottom of mag.
Had great success in recent years with Woodleigh Hydros and NF Cup points, which leave a great SP wound channel and almost the same FMJ penetration.
JMO... every hunt is different and every shot is different.