Why is it that when it comes to the big British Gun Makers, Rigby are the only brand that offers "affordable" models?

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Namely the Highland Stalker and Big Game rifles, both start in the $10,000-$12,000 USD range. No small sum of money by any means but leagues more affordable than the magazine rifle offerings I'm seeing from the other big names (Purdey, Holland & Holland, Westley Richards, Jeffery etc.)

From the pricing that I've seen, if you want to purchase a magazine rifle from one of these other makes, you're going to spend 5x more than the Rigby, if not more.

So why is this? are Rigby not viewed to be on the same level as those above? Are Rigby the only brand in this class that are trying to appeal to the hunters that aspire to own "London best" rifles with more entry level pricing? Do you feel like this pricing strategy cheapens their brand name at all?
 
I think and its mostly theory but Rigby reinvented themselves with marketing and cleintele.
Doubt you will find fault in their work.
 
I think and its mostly theory but Rigby reinvented themselves with marketing and cleintele.
Doubt you will find fault in their work.
I've been catching up on their Podcast and it really seems like Marc Newton has reinvented the brand for the 21st century.

Really pushing the brand to be just attainable enough for those that have always dreamed of owning these types of rifles.
 
I may be wrong. But I believe the fact they are owned by the company that owns Mauser gives them some cost synergy on parts. The highland stalker appears to use a lot of those parts. Their bespoke model is more on par price wise with the other companies you mention.
Yeah it looks like the Blaser Group owns both Rigby & Mauser, alongside Sauer.
 
I also think good old economics. Westly Richards and Purdy unnatural goods meaning for their targeted clientele the high price actually increases demand up to their supply limit which is why if you even wanted to pay their prices they are 6 years out and they are fine with that. I agree Rigby has reinvented themselves and are now on the first tier and growing providing the high quality british rifle at a very reasonable cost. For example their entry level doubles now running about $40-$50k versus a WR starting at $125k.
Personally, I believe Rigby will enjoy growth while the other two will start to stagnate as customers weary of their long wait times and well deserved high price.
Bottom line clearly Rigby is on the right track and will grow market share once again with their leadership team
 
I think it's mainly a strategic brand management decision, driven by the different ownership of the companies.

Rigby is owned by Luke and Ortmeir Group, who are a holding company who deal in firearms. They own Mauser, Rigby, Hammerli, Sig Sauer and a couple others. Rigby is their premium offering in the way that Jaguar is Tata's.

Purdey, by contrast, is owned by the Richemont Group, a holding company for luxury goods and brands. They own Vacheron Constantin, Cartier, and Montblanc, amongst others.

Holland and Holland, until 2021, was owned by Chanel. Although now it's Beretta's.

Westley Richards is a bit more opaque, although the chief financier is Sheikh Sultan Bin Jassim Al Thani of Qatar, so I presume it's mostly a passion / vanity project.

Anyhow, in Luxury brands, brand equity supersedes all other considerations. It's the most valuable part of the product. You keep it exclusive at all costs, because any downmarket stretch damages the IP. If you look at say Purdey as a luxury brand (Richemont clearly does, that's all they deal in), the fact that it's expensive makes it exclusive, which justifies the price, which justifies the exclusivity. A virtuous circle. The fact that doing so doesn't allow you to sell many units is a good thing, because it allows you to charge any price you want, and the more you charge, the more people desire the good. Growth in revenue and profit comes primarily from increasingly high price points, not drastically increasing sales volumes.

If you're primarily interested in making firearms however, a bit of downmarket stretch is no bad thing. More units keeps the lights on. If you can take the Mauser action from one business unit, improve it a bit, give it a nice fit and finish, do some custom work, then sell it under a more impressive name for a significantly higher margin, that's a good plan. I expect Rigby is the most reliably profitable of the big british names as a result, and probably the one posting the most rapid growth.

In the long term, I think Rigby will need to be extremely careful that doing so doesn't dilute their brand equity to a point where their brand is seen as lesser than say Purdey. In 20 odd years I think they might find themselves at a point where they're primarily a 'premium' mid-market brand who see a lot of sales in their bread and butter 'a bit more than a nice Mauser' 7-20k range, and rather less interest in their high end custom work as a result.

But for now, I expect it's proving to be a very profitable business decision.
 
Because John Rigby & Co. decided that they want to see more of their their rifles actually in the field than simply being seen as a luxury product to desire after.

Ask yourself something:

How many people do you know of, that are actually recorded with using a James Purdey & Sons rifle ? Not a shotgun, but a rifle made by this brand.

In all my years of reading Asian & African hunting lore, I only know of two-

Africa:
John Pondoro Taylor owned & used a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .450/400 Nitro Express 3"

Asia:
His Royal Excellence The Maharaja of Udaipur owned & used a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .450/400 Nitro Express 3"

51 years of hunting in Africa and I've seen multiple rifles made by Holland & Holland, Westley Richards and John Rigby & Co. over the years. But never a James Purdey & Sons. I've seen a James Purdey & Sons .600 Nitro Express sidelock ejector in the "Used" gun rack of Kenya Bunduki in Nairobi, Kenya in 1974. So clearly somebody in Kenya must have owned & used that one sometime in the past. But I have never seen another to this date.

Now, I myself lust after a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .600 Nitro Express someday. But a John Rigby & Co. will probably be what I end up owning (and I'll be extremely happy with that).
 
The luxury items industry caters to a peculiar market. One in which "growth" is rarely healthy. Hard to say what Rigby is trying will pan out in the long. Certainly shows a spirit of adventure ... which is certainly peculiar in that product. "Bespoke" rifles typically do not show technical innovation beyond 1920. And it has worked. Up to now. But African safaris are more and more appealing to middle class hunters as other hunting opportunities, in North America especially, are disappearing. Seems a smart move to appeal to that new market ... with minimal depreciation of traditional bespoke standards.
 
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Some brands want to be the most expensive in a market segment to foster a mistique of exclusivity and luxury. There will always be people with money & ego that want bragging rights. Given the wait list for the mentioned brands their marketing strategy works.
 
Don’t confuse the Rigby Highland Stalker or Big Game with London Best guns. While they are fine rifles, and I am very happy with my Highland Stalker, I do recognize that it is not London Best. Rigby makes London Best guns, and they are truly works of art.

The other makers do not offer weapons in the class of the HS or BG. As others have mentioned, I suspect that this is a decision made to protect their brand. Personally I think this is a mistake, but I also recognize that I am not a target customer.
 
Don’t confuse the Rigby Highland Stalker or Big Game with London Best guns. While they are fine rifles, and I am very happy with my Highland Stalker, I do recognize that it is not London Best. Rigby makes London Best guns, and they are truly works of art.

The other makers do not offer weapons in the class of the HS or BG. As others have mentioned, I suspect that this is a decision made to protect their brand. Personally I think this is a mistake, but I also recognize that I am not a target customer.
Yeah, I assumed they weren't on the same level as those rifles in terms of craftmanship, but they offer something like 3/4 of a London Best rifle at 1/5th the price.

I'm curious if any other of these brands would copy this Rigby strategy and offer a more approachable bolt action, Jeffery & CO maybe? It looks like both of their current magazine offerings are right around £50,000.

I can't see H&H or WR offering an everyday man's rifle.
 
Charles Lancaster produce a range of British made rifles, including the (to me) stunning Lloyd rifles at a slightly lower price than Rigby.

Haygarth and Sons are significantly cheaper. I have never seen one of their rifles but they have made rifles for the royal family and from what I have heard, they are superb.

There is a new gunsmith (I can't remember the name) currently advertising British made rifles for about £1,800. I am sure they are great, but they are very open that it is assembled in the UK from imported parts with next to no hand finishing, so not in the same class as the above.
 
There are other well respected British rifle makers, such as Callum Ferguson, who produces rifles at almost the same price as Rigby, but I have only seen one that had a handmade walnut stock, they are almost all synthetic stainless.

Brock and Norris produce a few specialist plains game rifles. They are to their own design, but very modern. Run by an ex Royal Marines Sniper who does a lot of plains game hunting.

Both of these are very different to a Rigby Highland Stalker.
 
Finally, Daniel Fraser are producing absolutely beautiful rifles built on new Mannlicher Schoenaur actions. If I was looking for something in that price range, I would seriously consider one. They are a bit more than a Highland Stalker, but look to have much more hand finishing
 
Because John Rigby & Co. decided that they want to see more of their their rifles actually in the field than simply being seen as a luxury product to desire after.

Ask yourself something:

How many people do you know of, that are actually recorded with using a James Purdey & Sons rifle ? Not a shotgun, but a rifle made by this brand.

In all my years of reading Asian & African hunting lore, I only know of two-

Africa:
John Pondoro Taylor owned & used a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .450/400 Nitro Express 3"

Asia:
His Royal Excellence The Maharaja of Udaipur owned & used a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .450/400 Nitro Express 3"

51 years of hunting in Africa and I've seen multiple rifles made by Holland & Holland, Westley Richards and John Rigby & Co. over the years. But never a James Purdey & Sons. I've seen a James Purdey & Sons .600 Nitro Express sidelock ejector in the "Used" gun rack of Kenya Bunduki in Nairobi, Kenya in 1974. So clearly somebody in Kenya must have owned & used that one sometime in the past. But I have never seen another to this date.

Now, I myself lust after a James Purdey & Sons sidelock ejector in .600 Nitro Express someday. But a John Rigby & Co. will probably be what I end up owning (and I'll be extremely happy with that).

Habib..I have asked myself the same question...why so few large caliber Purdeys in Africa...was it just a matter of price..? I know of a 500/465 Purdey that came out of Kenya..that is an underlever hammerless.. Purdey built those well into the 1900´s..why so..? After visiting the Purdey Long Room and handling 3 new Purdey double rifles .375/.470/.600 it dawned on me: - The company must have back then realized that the Beesley self opener (as they now build their double rifles on..) is not suitable for dangerous game hunting..it is simply to slow to operate.. I had to use all my strenght to close that .600 and the .470 wasnt much easier.. Now..the self opener is splendid in a grouse butt when you rotate two guns to a loader..but not in a DG double..

I confronted a Purdey sales man once about this...his answer was to close the rifle on your thigh..
Really.. ??!
 
Rigby is the Rolex of the rifle world and their strategies for staying on top is directly linked to brand recognition.

Go outside of the AH membership and see how many people know about Westley Richards or Holland & Holland…not too many. But Rigby, everyone knows Rigby. And they aim to keep it that way.

Selling “affordable” rifles keeps them relevant, which promotes sales, which means more brand recognition…etc.
 
Habib..I have asked myself the same question...why so few large caliber Purdeys in Africa...was it just a matter of price..? I know of a 500/465 Purdey that came out of Kenya..that is an underlever hammerless.. Purdey built those well into the 1900´s..why so..? After visiting the Purdey Long Room and handling 3 new Purdey double rifles .375/.470/.600 it dawned on me: - The company must have back then realized that the Beesley self opener (as they now build their double rifles on..) is not suitable for dangerous game hunting..it is simply to slow to operate.. I had to use all my strenght to close that .600 and the .470 wasnt much easier.. Now..the self opener is splendid in a grouse butt when you rotate two guns to a loader..but not in a DG double..

I confronted a Purdey sales man once about this...his answer was to close the rifle on your thigh..
Really.. ??!
@Pondoro

100% spot on. I was never dismissive towards your assessment of the Beesley self opening action but I never really thought about it much. Last year, I was in London for a week and had an opportunity to visit the James Purdey & Sons shop at Audley House. They had a .470 Nitro Express sidelock ejector in the cabinet which I handled.

Good heavens ! You were right. The thing was a beast of a tool to open quickly. Definitely not good when hunting elephant in the jesse (your addiction) or hippopotamus bull in the sugarcane fields at night (my addiction). You can definitely tell that the people at James Purdey & Sons have little field experience with hunting dangerous game. Which is why they designed their double rifles to operate on the same mechanism as their driven grouse shotguns (where a loader reloads one shotgun from a matched pair while the shooter blazes away with the other shotgun).

P.S: An Australian friend owns a bolt action James Purdey & sons rifle in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum. The bolt gets stuck when firing 300Gr RWS Kegelspitze cone point factory loads in it. Didn’t you once have similar problems with RWS Kegelspitze cone points ?
 
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Yeah, I assumed they weren't on the same level as those rifles in terms of craftmanship, but they offer something like 3/4 of a London Best rifle at 1/5th the price.

I'm curious if any other of these brands would copy this Rigby strategy and offer a more approachable bolt action, Jeffery & CO maybe? It looks like both of their current magazine offerings are right around £50,000.

I can't see H&H or WR offering an everyday man's rifle.

Actually H&H did exactly this in the shotgun world on more than one occasion. It has not gone well. When your business is hand work that puts in excess of 1,000 hours into a weapon, it is difficult to make a weapon with a significant amount of machine work. Their last entry was the sporting O/U that utilizes CNC machining. When it first came out it was priced at less than half of a ‘Royal’ at a mere $35,000. It’s has since climbed into the stratosphere. Earlier attempts were basically Birmingham boxlocks.

What Rigby has managed, with the two levels to their brand, is outstanding. They are the first London company that I am aware of to be successful in doing so.
 

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