Agree with your point and it is a discussion You MUST have with your PH prior to the hunt even being booked. I have had this discussion prior to booking my Tanzania Buffalo hunt and again with a Guide prior to booking Alaska Griz hunt. Both times I was assured that they would Not shoot “unless” it was a safety matter — which I certainly agreed with. More interestingly, both my African PH and Alaska Guide told me that some clients “want” them to shoot immediately after they do - regardless of the situation. They either don’t want to risk losing their trophy or have no confidence in their shooting ability or “don’t really care who’s bullet killed that trophy” —- as long as they get it to the taxidermist and can claim “I got it” !!. My guide in Alaska relayed to me that he had killed Brown bear that his clients had even missed completely or made non leather sots on. When I asked him if any Clients were upset by that he said “No, they were glad to get the animal and really didn’t care”. I explained to him that nothing would ruin a hunt (for Me) more then my Guide having to kill my animal - even understanding (and accepting) that it would be My poor shooting to blame - it would still ruin it for me. Now, if I wounded an DG animal and we were following it up - got charged....then Yes - anyone that can get a shot off should take it, or if I make a poor shot and the animal might get away, into heavy cover etc...again Yes I’d expect the Guide/PH to shoot. I’ve had these discussions and never had any guide Not understand m point and agree to my wishes - some even said “that’s how I normally operate anyway. They also would explain “when” they would need to shoot (whether I liked it or not) and I respected that and was always fine with that.
Agree, my Guide in Alaska explained the exact same thing to me - he wouldn't shoot my bear unless “the bear is wounded and close to heavy cover - I may need to shoot”....I was in full agreement with that
The stuff that some of those "outfitters" broadcast on YouTube sometimes amazes me. Maybe others have seen this one. The "robust" PH is guiding a boy of about sixteen, probably American by his accent. They are after kudu in thick stuff and get the drop on a real nice bull quite close. Kid hits it a bit back and bull takes off running ... and so does the PH ... and cameraman. Kid and his dad are left struggling to keep up. The kudu is also struggling and PH is blazing away on the run. Bang, bang, bang. Finally down it goes. Dad and son finally catch up. As everyone is walking to the animal, the tracker picks up a horn. PH laughs (yes, LAUGHS!) and says, "Look, you shot off a horn." Kid with astonished/confused look: "I shot it off?" No shit! Then this stupid PH actually put that footage out there for everyone to see (yes, it was published under his lodge's brand). He obviously didn't think there was anything wrong with how that played out. How does an idiot like that get a license to guide?
In Zim PHs always had a tracker carry their rifle during the PG phase as the areas also had lions, hippos etc.. When I had a female companion with me some years back, I went into the bush with her and a rifle just in case, as she was doing her business for the same reason.
My experience in Mozambique was similar. I was told never go anywhere without my rifle, I wanted some pictures of a bee eater one day at lunch in the bush instead of a nap i told my PH what I was going to do and after I went 30yds down the trail a tracker showed up with my rifle handed it to me and returned to his lunch. Also while setting some leopard bait for the next hunter in camp I carried the rifle while everyone else carried meat, ropes and wire. Not sure if this was all theatrics for my benefit or what but I did learn later that they had some truculent cow elephant in the area and that is why they had me load solids while just moving around.
If that’s what the video shows - imagine the “out takes” and what you never get to see. I always think of that when I watch some of the very Long Range shots taken on hunting shows (when they promote a brand of Long range Rifle) I remember one where the hunter shot at a black bear at 700+ yrds and missed it clean, then (according to the Video) killed it on a perfect 2nd shot? Maybe, but made me wonder “if you can completely miss a bear — how many are wounded and/or “sloppy” kills that never make the video?
Or “air-bow”4. If the hunter is using a bow on DG
This thread or that thread?
I say immediately prior to an animal "biting" you would be a fine time. And do make excellent shots on Oryx that are looking at you when the PH is giving his gun a break!!!
Hunter habib, what is your opinion on this bullet and cartridge by PPU (Prvi Partizan - Uzice)?
