When do you REALLY need a double rifle..?

[grand veneur]

My rifle caliber "500 Jeffery" was built by Ritterbusch in Germany 1998.

I use the terminology 500 Schüler or 12,7x70 Schüler because my cartridge is not a 500 Jeffery after the standardization from the beginning of the years 2000 , but a Romey Hybrid , a cartridge more or less similar to the cartridge 12,7x70 Schüler. This cartridge was also sold in the nineties by A-Square. I still have from this time factory ammo from Wolfgang Romey and shells from Horneber.

http://www.cartridgecollector.net/500-jeffery

We have strayed from the topic. The 500 jeffery is normally not a cartridge for a DR.

 

[CoElkHunter]

When do you REALLY need a double???
When you have around $40K in the bank, and you REALLY want to part with about half of it.....

“When”? When somebody lets me borrow theirs? Promise I won’t drop it! Ha! Ha!

 

[Solitaire]

“When”? When somebody lets me borrow theirs? Promise I won’t drop it! Ha! Ha!

When ? when, after hunting for years with a bolt action in 9,3x62, a friend purpose to me an Express in 9,3x74R ... and why not !
Now, this Beretta O/U is mine, with an additional double 20 gauge barrel, and I'm very happy with on driven hunts in France(Deers, wild boars and roe bucks)

 

[leslie hetrick]

we came upon him pretty quick and started to back pedal as he came towards us, but he stopped and went back to his girl friend and I,m glad as all I had in my .375 H&H was soft points.

 

[grand veneur]

Seems to be a black rhino.

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Wiliam and his brother Charles Jeffrey were clever guntraders and makers ,also John Rigby and some others.
They anglicized the German products and names, so it was much easier to sell them to their countrymen in the empire.
Especially after WW1, the Englishmen got themselves bloody noses and nobody would have bought a German product, even the German Shepherd Dog they renamed.
Vae victis.

Foxi
Now it makes sense why English sportsmen refer to the 7 millimeter mauser cartridge as .275 Rigby .

 

[CoElkHunter]

When ? when, after hunting for years with a bolt action in 9,3x62, a friend purpose to me an Express in 9,3x74R ... and why not !
Now, this Beretta O/U is mine, with an additional double 20 gauge barrel, and I'm very happy with on driven hunts in France(Deers, wild boars and roe bucks)

THAT is a GREAT combination! I didn’t know you could have combination rifle and shotgun barrels? What a fantastic idea! I’ve only seen combo O/U with a rifle barrel over a shotgun barrel, like the Savage models? I need to get out more!

 

[IdaRam]

I was wondering. What does that Enabler title actually mean?

Perpetual Pot-Stirrer and all around Problem Child. At least that is what @BRICKBURN told me

 

[CoElkHunter]

I was wondering. What does that Enabler title actually mean?

? ENABLE you to buy another rifle?

 

[crs]

"I love my Simson 405 Win double rifle."
Same here for my Simson .405 double:

 

[crs]

Leslie,
Your rhino pix remind me of the several rhinos I saw in Kruger Park and the trail and huge poop piles all around.
We even saw a female/mom with a youngster. Lots of great photos from there.

 

[1dirthawker]

I'd bet that 95% of client double rifle owners dont put in the practice to know how to use one, and therefore dont need one. There is a big difference between looking cool with a double over your shoulder in a picture and using one properly....

Royal,

you could be right, maybe most hunters don't know how to run one. that does not make them less effective. the only point i was making about the Heym video posted: if it was YOU and you had a bolt gun in those same situations...would you have gotten smashed holding a bolt gun?

or would the elephant have run off with only a head ache?

for years, hunters have had great success with both bolt guns AND double guns. i just thought ivan carter made a great point during the video.

i'm not saying the double rifle is the answer to all questions asked while hunting, but it does answer a few of them extremely well.

 

[IvW]

When following up wounded-leopard, lion and lioness.
When hunting elephant in thick jesse or gusu....

 

[Opposite Pole]

THAT is a GREAT combination! I didn’t know you could have combination rifle and shotgun barrels? What a fantastic idea! I’ve only seen combo O/U with a rifle barrel over a shotgun barrel, like the Savage models? I need to get out more!

Most double rifle makers offer it, typically in 20G.

 

[leslie hetrick]

rhino not in kruger park, I was up north for a buffalo-eland hunt and was invited to hunt neala when we ran into the black rhino. I shot a cow buffalo and a eland, but did not get a neala until last may.

 

[AZDAVE]

@TOBY458 You get labled as an Enabler and I am a bad influence so I am sure we are distant cousins from the black sheep side of the family, I salute you my friend

@CoElkHunter if you find yourself in southern Arizona I can let you shoot a couple different doubles.

 

[Don458]

Many of us love to play with them...I guess nostalgia is playing a big part here..
But when do you really need it..? You could argue that a PH need/want one for back-up on DG, right..?

As a hunter (I dont like the client badge..) I favor a double on an elephant hunt...two fast large caliber shots at very close range....and on a driven hunt for lets say wild boars in Europe..they can be big, fast and plain downright nasty...a hunting buddy almost got killed by a big one..

But the difference is not very big….a bolt rifle will handle most situations splendidly….soooo that begs the question:

- Are we fooling ourselves a bit here.. ?

I don’t like when people say “ you don’t need that”. Do you need a corvette to go to the grocery store ?

 

[TOBY458]

@TOBY458 You get labled as an Enabler and I am a bad influence so I am sure we are distant cousins from the black sheep side of the family, I salute you my friend

@CoElkHunter if you find yourself in southern Arizona I can let you shoot a couple different doubles.

I haven't made the Enabler level yet! But I'm definitely a bad influence...

 

[crs]

Leslie,
Congratulations on those nice trophies, but I have 2 questions;
1. What brand and caliber is your rifle?
2. You are not smiling! Did you not enjoy the outing?

 

[Royal27]

Royal,

you could be right, maybe most hunters don't know how to run one. that does not make them less effective. the only point i was making about the Heym video posted: if it was YOU and you had a bolt gun in those same situations...would you have gotten smashed holding a bolt gun?

or would the elephant have run off with only a head ache?

for years, hunters have had great success with both bolt guns AND double guns. i just thought ivan carter made a great point during the video.

i'm not saying the double rifle is the answer to all questions asked while hunting, but it does answer a few of them extremely well.

I think we mostly agree here, except for the highlighted. Not knowing how to run any type of rifle makes it less effective.

But, when you do know how to run one I totally agree that nothing has a faster two shots than a double.