Oh, no! I meant to say Kahles, not Leica. Sorry about that.I like Zeiss HT, but not necessarily for ruggedness. The only Leica I see are at SW Ammo and half of them have something wrong with them! Must be my bad luck or a torturous display life.
Oh, no! I meant to say Kahles, not Leica. Sorry about that.I like Zeiss HT, but not necessarily for ruggedness. The only Leica I see are at SW Ammo and half of them have something wrong with them! Must be my bad luck or a torturous display life.
I have that VX2--great scope for the money!I know I'll get push back on this no problem, I am obsessed with weight so I almost always end up with a Leupold.
I have a .308 rifle that weighs 4lbs 5oz. I ended up with a Leupold VX2 2-7x33 on it. The scope weighs 10oz. The whole rig rifle, scope, silencer, sling, scope cover and 3 rounds on board weight a bit over 6.5 lbs.
The highest magnification scope I have on any of my rifles right now is a Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44 on a .338WM, it weighs 19oz.
I have a couple of VX3-HD 2.5-8x36 scopes, they weigh just 12oz.
All very light or maybe the lightest in their class. So I have a made up statistic I use for buying glass its the "Weight to quality to value ratio as I perceive it" and Leupold pretty much always wins for me.
And all of that being said I have not had a problem with any of these Leupolds!
Hensoldt is a great choice too. Ive never personally owned one, but had an old army buddy who worked for them and I have played with several of his. I almost bought a ZF.Your experience with S&B is different than mine. I was running 3 PMlls on match rifles. The zero would always float, it would only be a few .1s one way or another. I lost trust in them and moved then down the line. They were replaced by Genll Razors. Never had a lick of problems.
The Razor line is built similar to the NightForce line of scopes. A lot of their lenses are glued in place.
NF has never let me down, just wish their glass was better.
Zero Compromise and Tangent Thata are newer Alfa glass. I can't speak to the durability of these. Glass is phenomenal.
Hensoldt is one that gets over looked. They do not have the best reticle choices. If they did, my bank account would hate me. Best glass to my eye.
Leupold, they have come a long ways I will give them that. I have personally witnessed to many go down in matches to trust them. That's just a thing I'm not willing to overlook.
You are 100% correct about the PRS scope list. Budget and sponsorship play big roles. I shot for Kahles, they had some funky things happen with thier scope. It too was replaced with a Genll Razor. 8 years and 13k rds later, with God only knows how many ups and downs on the elevation turret. It has never missed a beat. I'm now running Genllls on a few rifles, the glass is better and so far they are holding up.
Higher grade Swaroski and Zeiss.I am searching for a new scope. I have 50 years experience. Looking forward to feedback & opinions. God Bless, Dale
Hensoldt is a great choice too. Ive never personally owned one, but had an old army buddy who worked for them and I have played with several of his. I almost bought a ZF.
Ive got the same complaints as you on NF glass. I don’t personally know anyone else who’s had to use their warranty. That said, I don’t know anyone who’s had issues with S&B PMII’s like you’ve had. As you know, these are man made mechanical products, there’s always a chance of failure. One of them has to be the last one off the line the Friday before holiday shutdown or first one on the line Monday morning. More than 1/2 of by S&B’s anre short dots, because I’ve seen them take an insane level of abuse without any issues. I’ve got a couple PMII 5-25’s like you had, and seen them take a high level of abuse without going down or having issues. I’ve got at least 1 in the optics safe that I need to find a rifle for.
I find your vortex choice interesting, but my experience with them is the polar opposite. I also know you’ve got a fair bit of trigger time behind them and the other optics so respect your views on them since it’s based on your experience.
Those tests are on R-slide and most (all?) of the Leupolds fail to hold zero.
Edit- I guess that link is not permitted. Search R-slide scope evaluation.
This is useful but, a better measure would be returns as a percentage of sales by brand. I have no idea as to the volume you sell annually but for example, If you sell 50 Nightforce scopes a year and send back 2, that's a 4% return rate . If you sell 500 Vortex a year and send back 20, that's also a 4% return rate.
Can you provide that type of data?
Wow, I guess my 45 years of using Leupold scopes in pretty tough environments with only one problem would blow the tester’s statistics right out of the water.
I apologize up front for my sarcasm but when I see tests like this that are 180 degrees from my experience over a long time of using the product, I have to question their credibility and validity of the test. I’ll just continue to use my old crappy and unreliable Leupold scopes and continue shooting animals.
I will ad, for heavy recoil rifle like my 458 Lot CZ. I use Leupold and it has held up very well. Even after a fall this year and eyepiece coming loose it held zero for the rest of the hunt
My family and I have used Leupold very hard in the mountains and canyons of Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah on hard Elk, Mule Deer, Pronghorn, Couse Deer, Ibex, and Oryx hunts. They’ve never been intentionally abused but have been bounced and banged around, taken hard hits, been on the backs of Mules and Horses, and in and out of trucks, Jeeps, and ATVs!You have to understand the circumstances. How hard are you on your gear? Tough environments is one thing, getting bounced around having turrets spun up and down for repeatability is something else.
The first 12 field matches I personally shot, atleast one went down every match (have seen as many as three in one match). The game some of play, we are trying to hit 1/2 MOA targets at distances past 1k yards.
If one of your scope/rifle combo's hold 1-2 moa are you fine with that? I'm sure a good many here are okay with that. Some of us are not, if a match barrel of mine cannot hold 3/8" @100 yards (I know when I'm holding it back and when the rifle is holding me back). The barrel gets replaced. Depending on the round that can be between 1k-2k rounds (6mm-7mm) 308win and 223 live longer generally speaking 2-4X.