TSX - You Can't Have It Both Ways!

Barnes TSX - You Can't Have It Both Ways!

As a lover of all things safari I encounter discussions and debates of many kinds but rifle calibers and bullets seem to be the most discussed and filled with the strongest opinions. As a self described student of everything safari I will challenge the convention wisdom where appropriate. I have no interest in dismissing history but on the contrary embrace the history of safari. There are so many nostalgic aspects of safari dating back well over a century. Being nostalgic for me does not mean I turn a blind eye to technology and live solely in a 1900's mindset. By way of example I'd mention the debate of .375 H&H versus .375 Ruger. The latter is superior by every metric yet many want to hold onto tradition by choosing the former. This is great and there is not a nickle's worth of difference on game between the two calibers. Let's just not say the the .375 H&H is superior because that would simply be untrue. My point is that we should not let tradition blind us to the reality in front of us.

I like to chime in on the debates of what bullet to use for follow up on a buffalo hunt. It seems to be one of the most opined aspects of the hunt and one that seems to be stuck in the past. I do not proclaim to be an expert on anything but have hunted quite a bit and studied and discussed this subject for many years now. The conventional wisdom is that you must shoot "softs followed by solids" on most any buffalo hunt. I've heard it over and over that an expanding bullet will not make it through the rumen from a Texas heart shot and reach the vitals. This may be true with traditional "softs" but technology has changed over the years. Enter the revolutionary Barnes TSX. The original Barnes X bullet came on the market in 1989. There was nothing like it at the time and it began gaining a following from sportsmen. 1989 was a long time ago yet there are many who go about their hunts as if the X bullet was never invented. Due to the effectiveness of this bullet on game it now has many competitors in the marketplace. I personally have seen the effectiveness of the TSX on buffalo, hippo, Lord Derby Eland as well as other game hunting in many corners of the world. I have equally seen the lack of effectiveness of solids when used in the aforementioned scenarios. The most dramatic example of the lack of effectiveness of solids on buffalo for me actually came from videos although I've had many experiences myself. I've seen so many where two guys with 500's shooting solids at close range on a buffalo just keep shooting over and over with little effect. Sometimes a dozen shots put into the bull before it finally goes down. What other hunting scenario would be comparable to this? I don't care how big the animal is you shouldn't need to shoot it a dozen times! Something is wrong.

When thinking about the results from a solid bullet versus a hollow point I revert back to my childhood where no jack rabbit was safe! I literally took thousands of jack rabbits over the years. Back in the 1970's and 1980's here in west Texas the jack rabbit, which is actually a hare, was like a plague. Farmers and ranchers loved for kids to come take a few out and reduce the grazing pressure they caused. They used to say 20 rabbits equaled a cow as far as grazing was concerned. Who knows if that is true but it was used as the excuse to go buy bricks of .22LR and fire away! My how times have changed. Now no one trusts kids with guns and the rabbit hemorrhagic disease (RHD) has hammered the jack rabbit to minuscule numbers. As you can imagine I got to take shots with every type of .22LR on the market. Budget was a concern with the volume of shooting that took place so the CCI Stinger, the fastest and most effective cartridge in .22LR, was a rare pleasure to shoot. The cheapest were and still are a simple all lead solid bullet. I hate these lead bullets to this day. They jam in my 10/22's and cause more fouling and of course do less damage than a hollow point. My favorite overall was the Remington Golden Bullet hollow point. After taking countless rabbits with the solids it was an amazing experience to have a decent hollow point. The solids proved over and over to consistently allow the animal to run away and possibly require another shot whereas a simple body shot with the hollow point anchored them where they were.

Even today there are very few African PH's who will allow or recommend a client hunter use an expanding bullet as the follow up shot on Buffalo. There are a few who have "seen the light" and understand the penetration of the TSX. Now I'll turn to a discussion I heard recently that prompted this article. Joseph Von Benedikt was interviewing Mark Haldane of Zambezi Delta Safaris at a recent hunting show. Mark is famous for bringing back the wildlife in parts of Mozambique in dramatic fashion. Stories and videos have been produced in great volumes showcasing his success and the thriving wildlife in his hunting areas. He likely hunts more buffalo than anyone in Africa and is widely considered an expert on all subject of wildlife and hunting in Africa. Being a gun writer and highly experienced in bullets and calibers Joseph took the conversation to bullets. Of course he would and we all eagerly await the discussion! Due to the fact that buffalo in the swamps of Mozambique live in larger herds there is more of a danger of a shot passing through and hitting another buffalo than anywhere in Africa. With this in mind Mark does not recommend the TSX for hunting in this area. He states that he has seen too many pass throughs that wound up causing a big problem. I'll just touch briefly that when it comes to bullet failures or performance issues I find it often times to be reloads traveling at an improper velocity that caused the failure. Then the bullet gets unfairly blamed but lets leave that one alone for now. I have not personally had a broad side pass through myself with the TSX on buffalo but I will take it from the expert who has seen it. This means that possibly the top expert on buffalo in Africa (he and his team shoot over 200 Buffalo per year) states that the TSX has excellent penetration!

Ok, but you can't have it both ways! You can't on one hand state that the TSX does not penetrate well enough to use for follow up's and then in the same breath say that they pass through too often. Which is it?



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I don't agree with your assessment regarding the .375 ruger vs. the .375 H&H - while the Ruger is certainly a superior cartridge from ballistic standpoint; it is not a superior cartridge for rural Africa where ammo availability for the ruger is non-existent
 
Barnes has always been so very accurate for me in factory loads, and fair price on Midway USA. Shipped to my door :A Rock:and always in stock.

They even made my Ruger #1 in 30-06 more accurate than it has any right to be.

Here are some Barnes I’ve pulled from hunts I’ve been on, guided, and killed my self.

340 yards - 180 gr 300 win mag.
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Large Hartmanns Zebra stallion 230 yards 168ttsx 30/06
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Here is a the classic side-bent hollow point and failure to expand. This one was real ugly lol. 160 yards on a big aoudad ram. He fell and we shot him again. Dead.
Aoudad generally get the double tap. (This is the only one I’ve seen - but I realize it not super uncommon with monos)
7mag 140 gr TTSX
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300 gr TSX 375 h&h. - Nilgai bull
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Whenever I try different stuff it’s because I’m bored. Barnes is my standard for most of the hunting I do.

I really wish there were more loaded options for north fork - I’m hopeful one day soon! Those look cool and want to get some 180s for my 30/06
 
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Excellent assessment by Philip Glass. In my only 2 buff hunts, my results with Barnes TSX was perfect, shooting a 375 h&h in 300gr. Obviously, shot placement is the most important factor, but one shot kills with minimal travel after the shot, followed by death bellow . . . what more could you want in a best choice bullet for cape Buffalo! First buff was at 50 yds looking straight on, bullet cut a one inch hole through the aorta right above the heart and was recovered in the stomach (penetration?). Weight retention showed 298 grains on the scale and perfect expansion. Second buff hunt, next to Mr. Haldane's area in Moz, shot broadside at 130 yds, buff went 15 yds and dropped. Bullet recovered on far side of off shoulder under the skin and looked like an exact replica of the bullet from my 1st buff.
I'm no expert, but that answered all my bullet choice questions
 
@Philip Glass thanks for starting this thread. Really interesting reading by all posted. Cheers guys.

Plus one on more load data needed for North Fork especially for there 375 H&H 350 grainers it’s tougher here in the UK and Europe because of the lack of powder options due to many being taken off the marker for not being green enough. Vihtavuori powder is all I’m left with at the moment which is lacking in data when looking into the heavy for caliber bullets.
 
My last comment on the matter is the following. I'm very pleased to hear that some hunters commenting here have had such wonderful service from shooting Barnes, especially on Dangerous Game. That is truly wonderful to hear, because it means that you walked away unscathed, which is priority number 1 from any DG hunt.
No one here, or I have not seen anyone here commenting, say that Barnes are bad bullets. All bullets can fail. We( some Professional Hunters, and there are many top Professional Hunters that do like them) are simply saying that we believe that there are tools that minimize certain mishaps which could happen. With all things being equal, which scenario has the bigger chance for a mishap to occur, a mishap occurring from hunting 1 Buffalo, or a mishap from hunting 100 Buffaloes?
Whether you have shot 1,2 ,3 or 4 Buffalo with a single shot with your Barnes, that is truly phenomenal, you can't ask for better than that, but at the end of the day, you are comparing your sample size to people that have hunted 100's of Buffalo and even some that hunt 100's of Buffalo each year.
Stick with what you know and with what brings you success, but don't be that guy dismissing people's opinions, backed by experience by the way, who sees day and and day out how certain tools succeed/fail.

Stay safe out there!
 
This is interesting @Philip Glass. Real world bullet performance data is hard to come by. A man like Mr. Haldane sees more game taken in a season than I’ll shoot in my lifetime. So I respect what he says.

My own, much more limited experience with hunting bullets is a lot less definitive. I suppose I’ve shot most of my animals with 2 brands of bullets, Nosler Partitions and Barnes TSXs. I recon these 2 bullets represent the soft and hard ends of the premium bullet spectrum. I’ve never lost an animal with either bullet. Never had a bullet failure, whether it was a bullet that came apart prematurely or one that failed to expand.

So I’ve come to the (boring) conclusion that if you select the right type of bullet for the game at hand, and place the bullet reasonably well, you’ll kill your animal. I say boring, because this conclusion doesn’t play well during campfire bullet arguments! :D
I love it, and so true. Our stuff that works is just boring! I was actually thinking of writing an article titled "my boring guns". They just work
 
I also prefer Barnes bullets. I used a TSX 300 WSM in Namibia on plains game. Everything dropped to the shot. Just in case this is not widely known, Barnes is a great company to deal with. I called with a few questions about TTSX v TSX, and Federal 300 Win TSX, as I don't have time this year to develop a hand load and need factory ammo for a bear, chamois hunt to Romania. The gentleman at Barnes walked me through Alaska bear hunts, and other scenarios similar to my hunt that helped me feel comfortable using the TTSX on my next major hunt. Great ammo. Great company.
 
Barnes Bullets is currently owned by Bullseye Acquisitions, LLC, an affiliate of JDH Capital Company, which also owns Savage Arms and Pure Archery. This acquisition was finalized on February 29, 2024, with Clarus Corporation (formerly the owner) selling Sierra Bullets and Barnes Bullets to JDH Capital in an all-cash transaction.
 
I also prefer Barnes bullets. I used a TSX 300 WSM in Namibia on plains game. Everything dropped to the shot. Just in case this is not widely known, Barnes is a great company to deal with. I called with a few questions about TTSX v TSX, and Federal 300 Win TSX, as I don't have time this year to develop a hand load and need factory ammo for a bear, chamois hunt to Romania. The gentleman at Barnes walked me through Alaska bear hunts, and other scenarios similar to my hunt that helped me feel comfortable using the TTSX on my next major hunt. Great ammo. Great company.
So here is a question have you tried TTSX's on plains game? I usually use norma accubonds, or woodleighs. I have always shied away from the TTSX because I thought it would be too hard.
 
So here is a question have you tried TTSX's on plains game? I usually use norma accubonds, or woodleighs. I have always shied away from the TTSX because I thought it would be too hard.
I haven't, but I used them on a big mule deer that fell like a rock. The Barnes gentleman said the ballistic help helped w expansion and that there was de minimus difference between the TSX and TTSX. I was uneasy using TTSX on big brown bears, but no more.
 
So here is a question have you tried TTSX's on plains game? I usually use norma accubonds, or woodleighs. I have always shied away from the TTSX because I thought it would be too hard.
TSX actually opens up slightly less on my experience. So I prefer the TTSX for antelopes!
 
I have shot - Core-lokt, TSX, TTSX, Winchester Silver Tips, TBBC (torphy bonded bearclaw), A-Frames, Nosler Partitions, Unknown softs from Europe, RWS (various), Norma (various), Bergers ( various, all bad except on paper).
I have taken several hundred big game animals. I dig out bullets when they do not pass thru.

The best in terms of "Dead Right There", wound channel, bone damage, pass throughs (I want this everytime , small hole in and big hole out), deep penetration - TSX, Aframe and TBBC.

I nearly lost a Marco Polo ram with a Berger - fell apart when it hit the shoulder bones.
I wrecked a pronghorn with a Berger - at 150 yds, put two fisted size hole in the shoulder it hit with no exit.

Every TBBC, TSX, Aframe has killed the intended target quickly. 80% pass throughs.
The PH's tell me that these are the 3 best Africa bullets. Period.

Next up would be Partitions and RWS. I like RWS but can only find them in Europe. I use them there and love them. Partitions are fine for thin skinned, medium bones. They will break up on larger bones.

Note I did not mention Scirrocco's, Fail Safe or any look a likes to the TSX. Why? They are not as effective but I have limited use on them.
 
I love TSX and have never tried A-frame, even though I would have liked to, but Federal and Barnes hardly supply the European market anymore since the COVID crisis...

French hunters who don't reload their ammunition will come to Africa to hunt big game with Hornady DGX/DGS bullets.
 
I am a TTSX fan at speed. My preferred load is a 30/06 and 110 grain TTSX at 3500 fps. Have killed hundreds of cull whitetail and cow elk. Does it expand? Pretty sure but never caught one.
 
Very good thread, a couple comments in the copper or brass mono's be it Barnes, Northfork, GMX or CX, CEB, and all the south african momo's as long as you keep them with in velocity peramiters the manufacture recommends they work great! I have shot a few animals with CEB, Northfork and barnes made sure I was shooting them with proper velocity. I have also always had great luck with Aframes, and all of my DG have bee taken with them except my leopard and it was with a nosler ballistic tip.

Take a premium bullet that shoots well in your rifle, practice alot and go hunt. The bullet is the cheapest part of a hunt so it still befuddles me why many hunters cheap out on bullet selection for a expensive hunt.

On the 375 H&H vs Ruger vs ???? One of the ares most folks overlook is the logistics of the round. Is it available in loaded ammo and components most of the time, is it available from more than one manufacture.

Over the years have seen the flash in the pan new rounds that some make it and others quietly just fade away. My wife has a Ruger 338 RCM that shoots well and is her favorite rifle for plains game. When I bought it for her I also bought 2 cases of ammo and another 500 rounds of brass. If you are going to buy something developed in the last 40 years that hasn't been around for at least 60 or more.

Buy a lifetime of brass, dies, and ammo. Or you will be on the where can I get 375 ruger, 338 RCM, 416 Ruger 325 WSM, 223WSSM etc etc.
 
If you recover the bullet, did it really fail or did it just not meet your expectations? Now when the bullet "fails" and the animal is not recovered, did the bullet fail or did the shooter fail to do his part? Do we really know who failed unless the animal is recovered? Personally, I prefer a bullet that has the ability to penetrate and hit vitals regardless of the target's presentation. As said above, there is no free ride. If you want that type of penetration you have to take other factors into consideration such as trying to avoid wounding other targets in the bullets path.

On our deer lease where I can wait for the perfect shot and time is not an issue, I use more standard cup and core or Nosler partition bullets. I have killed and dropped multiple pigs (2-3) using Barnes TSX and TTSX in 30-06. The penetration was what I hoped for and expected.

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Good points. I think it’s more on the shooter than the bullet most times—placement matters way more. Penetration’s great, but nothing replaces a well-placed shot.
 
I think that bullet placement and terminal bullet performance are both important. They go hand in hand. Don't settle for one or the other. Always shoot well and always have the best in bullets.
 
I am a TTSX fan at speed. My preferred load is a 30/06 and 110 grain TTSX at 3500 fps. Have killed hundreds of cull whitetail and cow elk. Does it expand? Pretty sure but never caught one.
Please expound on this! 3500fps, wow. What is your rifle twist, or is the mono metal 110 grain long enough that it is not a factor? TSX opens another possibility--lighter bullets that still get the job done, and can be pushed to what normally would be magnum velocities...hmmm
 
Barnes TSX - You Can't Have It Both Ways!

As a lover of all things safari I encounter discussions and debates of many kinds but rifle calibers and bullets seem to be the most discussed and filled with the strongest opinions. As a self described student of everything safari I will challenge the convention wisdom where appropriate. I have no interest in dismissing history but on the contrary embrace the history of safari. There are so many nostalgic aspects of safari dating back well over a century. Being nostalgic for me does not mean I turn a blind eye to technology and live solely in a 1900's mindset. By way of example I'd mention the debate of .375 H&H versus .375 Ruger. The latter is superior by every metric yet many want to hold onto tradition by choosing the former. This is great and there is not a nickle's worth of difference on game between the two calibers. Let's just not say the the .375 H&H is superior because that would simply be untrue. My point is that we should not let tradition blind us to the reality in front of us.

I like to chime in on the debates of what bullet to use for follow up on a buffalo hunt. It seems to be one of the most opined aspects of the hunt and one that seems to be stuck in the past. I do not proclaim to be an expert on anything but have hunted quite a bit and studied and discussed this subject for many years now. The conventional wisdom is that you must shoot "softs followed by solids" on most any buffalo hunt. I've heard it over and over that an expanding bullet will not make it through the rumen from a Texas heart shot and reach the vitals. This may be true with traditional "softs" but technology has changed over the years. Enter the revolutionary Barnes TSX. The original Barnes X bullet came on the market in 1989. There was nothing like it at the time and it began gaining a following from sportsmen. 1989 was a long time ago yet there are many who go about their hunts as if the X bullet was never invented. Due to the effectiveness of this bullet on game it now has many competitors in the marketplace. I personally have seen the effectiveness of the TSX on buffalo, hippo, Lord Derby Eland as well as other game hunting in many corners of the world. I have equally seen the lack of effectiveness of solids when used in the aforementioned scenarios. The most dramatic example of the lack of effectiveness of solids on buffalo for me actually came from videos although I've had many experiences myself. I've seen so many where two guys with 500's shooting solids at close range on a buffalo just keep shooting over and over with little effect. Sometimes a dozen shots put into the bull before it finally goes down. What other hunting scenario would be comparable to this? I don't care how big the animal is you shouldn't need to shoot it a dozen times! Something is wrong.

When thinking about the results from a solid bullet versus a hollow point I revert back to my childhood where no jack rabbit was safe! I literally took thousands of jack rabbits over the years. Back in the 1970's and 1980's here in west Texas the jack rabbit, which is actually a hare, was like a plague. Farmers and ranchers loved for kids to come take a few out and reduce the grazing pressure they caused. They used to say 20 rabbits equaled a cow as far as grazing was concerned. Who knows if that is true but it was used as the excuse to go buy bricks of .22LR and fire away! My how times have changed. Now no one trusts kids with guns and the rabbit hemorrhagic disease (RHD) has hammered the jack rabbit to minuscule numbers. As you can imagine I got to take shots with every type of .22LR on the market. Budget was a concern with the volume of shooting that took place so the CCI Stinger, the fastest and most effective cartridge in .22LR, was a rare pleasure to shoot. The cheapest were and still are a simple all lead solid bullet. I hate these lead bullets to this day. They jam in my 10/22's and cause more fouling and of course do less damage than a hollow point. My favorite overall was the Remington Golden Bullet hollow point. After taking countless rabbits with the solids it was an amazing experience to have a decent hollow point. The solids proved over and over to consistently allow the animal to run away and possibly require another shot whereas a simple body shot with the hollow point anchored them where they were.

Even today there are very few African PH's who will allow or recommend a client hunter use an expanding bullet as the follow up shot on Buffalo. There are a few who have "seen the light" and understand the penetration of the TSX. Now I'll turn to a discussion I heard recently that prompted this article. Joseph Von Benedikt was interviewing Mark Haldane of Zambezi Delta Safaris at a recent hunting show. Mark is famous for bringing back the wildlife in parts of Mozambique in dramatic fashion. Stories and videos have been produced in great volumes showcasing his success and the thriving wildlife in his hunting areas. He likely hunts more buffalo than anyone in Africa and is widely considered an expert on all subject of wildlife and hunting in Africa. Being a gun writer and highly experienced in bullets and calibers Joseph took the conversation to bullets. Of course he would and we all eagerly await the discussion! Due to the fact that buffalo in the swamps of Mozambique live in larger herds there is more of a danger of a shot passing through and hitting another buffalo than anywhere in Africa. With this in mind Mark does not recommend the TSX for hunting in this area. He states that he has seen too many pass throughs that wound up causing a big problem. I'll just touch briefly that when it comes to bullet failures or performance issues I find it often times to be reloads traveling at an improper velocity that caused the failure. Then the bullet gets unfairly blamed but lets leave that one alone for now. I have not personally had a broad side pass through myself with the TSX on buffalo but I will take it from the expert who has seen it. This means that possibly the top expert on buffalo in Africa (he and his team shoot over 200 Buffalo per year) states that the TSX has excellent penetration!

Ok, but you can't have it both ways! You can't on one hand state that the TSX does not penetrate well enough to use for follow up's and then in the same breath say that they pass through too often. Which is it?



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Good post! With today’s Barnes TSX and others I just don’t understand some PH’s still recommending loading solids after softs for buffalo
 

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