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".... would have ran....." Did you use this outfitter?
Did or have you posted an OP about this outfitter alerting forum members about this outfitter's scrupulous means of having his clients' paying his employees' wages?
Are all 22 people directly or to some degree directly involved in your hunt(s)?
ie. On my first 7 day/9 days total PG hunt I tipped roughly 25+ people, (rough total Tips: R4500 and $1500USD. However - however, there were extenuating circumstances, and those that I did tip In My Own Opinion deserved their tip.
Did he give you the tip list before or after your hunt?
If before your booking, Personally I would have cordially told the outfitter that I found another outfitter that could offer more for my money. More animals at better rates, more things to do after my hunt, etc.
If after your hunt, such as my horrible Zimbabwe, 10 days hunt/12 days total, for DG experience in 2021. The outfitter handed me a list of the workers in camp and the "suggested" amount to tip each worker in USD. The outfitter was wanting clients to pay all his employees' wages for whatever time clients are in camp.
My outfitter was also my PH, 2 inexperienced trackers for 7 1/2 days, experienced trackers 2 1/2 days. I tipped according to number of days each were on my hunt and based on their respective performance of their efforts or lack of. and all others directly affiliated with my hunt: ie. domestic staff: cook, laundress, maid service, I tipped what I felt was appropriate and not by what the outfitter suggested my responsibility to pay their wages!!. However, the gardener did end up getting a small tip for helping to skin my buffalo as did the other skinners.
This is why this forum is so great. We get to advise other members about our good and 6bad experiences. To promote: good outfitters, good people to sell and buy from, etc., while weeding out the bad outfitters, and those less reputable.
This forum also allows reputable outfitter's, (or others), to tell their side so that members can judge for themselves who is right and wrong.
If You Choose to tip...those Only required to be tipped are:
Outfitter/PH (debatable),
PH- Based on the quality of Your Hunt(s).
Tracker (one particular tracker preformed the duties as my PH)- Based on their capabilities to put You and Your PH on animals.
Maid, Laundress(es), cook(s): based on daily service(s), meals provided, or if only one providing all personal services.
Others To Consider:
Skinners (both those skinning animals at your outfitter property(ies), and those at other concession properties that go beyond their norm. ie. Humping a 1500+ pound animal, in the dark, up a steep mountain side, and spending another 2+ hours setting up the trophy photo opportunity, skinning the animal, they started around 6pm and Worked hard till nearly 2 am. Note: Had these fellows done the same in daylight....they would have still earned their same gracious tip from me, because they worked had.
The skinners of my lesser hunts on other concessions: ie Impala, blesbok, warthog, etc. probably could or should have been tipped (maybe R20 -R40), but I didn't tip them as these hunts didn't require any strenuous or beyond normal work (...maybe ...R60, if they would have supervised, allowing me to get bloody, learning how they skin animal(s)).
For the eland, gemsbok, and leachwe, these Big animals, they were with us all 4 days, working as skinners/additional trackers/"farm" reps thereby earned their R200 tip (R200 total for all 3 animals), of course I asked and it was ok'ed with PH's and concession owner's approval.
Taxidermist(s): WOW....Who even thinks about or even considers tipping the person or people involved in preserving your hunting memories?
(Other countries of origin and especially in the US, taxidermist tip is by far a different subject).
I was the first, or perhaps still am, the only client that has ever tipped these outfitter workers at KUBUSI SAFARIS. These taxidermists work hard and are dedicated to preserving clients' hunting memories. They are not only committed, but they take great pride in their work and in making sure each and every client not only receives, but also are 100% satisfied with their finished product. Personally, so far, I am extremely satisfied with the quality and attention to detail of their work.
For those on non hunting safaris, ie photo, touring, etc., IMO only people to tip, If you chose to, would be:
Outfitter/PH (debatable)
PH/Guide,
Laundress(es),
Maid,
Cook(s),
(Perhaps the latter 3 are the same person)
First and Foremost Tips are a Gratuity!! You are Giving An Earn Bonus and Showing Your Appreciation for "their" Going Above Normal Service(s) In A Monetary or/and Other Gifted Manor!!!
It Is Not Your Responsibility to pay or supplement "their" wages!!! It Is "Their" Employer's, whether reputable or irreparable, responsibility to pay Their employee(s) wage(s)!!! Not the clients' via "tips".
"....would have ran about 3200.00 in tips." Is this amount in country of origin currency or/and in USD?
".... would have ran....." Did you use this outfitter?
Did or have you posted an OP about this outfitter alerting forum members about this outfitter's scrupulous means of having his clients' paying his employees' wages?
Are all 22 people directly or to some degree directly involved in your hunt(s)?
ie. On my first 7 day/9 days total PG hunt I tipped roughly 25+ people, (rough total Tips: R4500 and $1500USD. However - however, there were extenuating circumstances, and those that I did tip In My Own Opinion deserved their tip.
Did he give you the tip list before or after your hunt?
If before your booking, Personally I would have cordially told the outfitter that I found another outfitter that could offer more for my money. More animals at better rates, more things to do after my hunt, etc.
If after your hunt, such as my horrible Zimbabwe, 10 days hunt/12 days total, for DG experience in 2021. The outfitter handed me a list of the workers in camp and the "suggested" amount to tip each worker in USD. The outfitter was wanting clients to pay all his employees' wages for whatever time clients are in camp.
My outfitter was also my PH, 2 inexperienced trackers for 7 1/2 days, experienced trackers 2 1/2 days. I tipped according to number of days each were on my hunt and based on their respective performance of their efforts or lack of. and all others directly affiliated with my hunt: ie. domestic staff: cook, laundress, maid service, I tipped what I felt was appropriate and not by what the outfitter suggested my responsibility to pay their wages!!. However, the gardener did end up getting a small tip for helping to skin my buffalo as did the other skinners.
This is why this forum is so great. We get to advise other members about our good and 6bad experiences. To promote: good outfitters, good people to sell and buy from, etc., while weeding out the bad outfitters, and those less reputable.
This forum also allows reputable outfitter's, (or others), to tell their side so that members can judge for themselves who is right and wrong.
If You Choose to tip...those Only required to be tipped are:
Outfitter/PH (debatable),
PH- Based on the quality of Your Hunt(s).
Tracker (one particular tracker preformed the duties as my PH)- Based on their capabilities to put You and Your PH on animals.
Maid, Laundress(es), cook(s): based on daily service(s), meals provided, or if only one providing all personal services.
Others To Consider:
Skinners (both those skinning animals at your outfitter property(ies), and those at other concession properties that go beyond their norm. ie. Humping a 1500+ pound animal, in the dark, up a steep mountain side, and spending another 2+ hours setting up the trophy photo opportunity, skinning the animal, they started around 6pm and Worked hard till nearly 2 am. Note: Had these fellows done the same in daylight....they would have still earned their same gracious tip from me, because they worked had.
The skinners of my lesser hunts on other concessions: ie Impala, blesbok, warthog, etc. probably could or should have been tipped (maybe R20 -R40), but I didn't tip them as these hunts didn't require any strenuous or beyond normal work (...maybe ...R60, if they would have supervised, allowing me to get bloody, learning how they skin animal(s)).
For the eland, gemsbok, and leachwe, these Big animals, they were with us all 4 days, working as skinners/additional trackers/"farm" reps thereby earned their R200 tip (R200 total for all 3 animals), of course I asked and it was ok'ed with PH's and concession owner's approval.
Taxidermist(s): WOW....Who even thinks about or even considers tipping the person or people involved in preserving your hunting memories?
(Other countries of origin and especially in the US, taxidermist tip is by far a different subject).
I was the first, or perhaps still am, the only client that has ever tipped these outfitter workers at KUBUSI SAFARIS. These taxidermists work hard and are dedicated to preserving clients' hunting memories. They are not only committed, but they take great pride in their work and in making sure each and every client not only receives, but also are 100% satisfied with their finished product. Personally, so far, I am extremely satisfied with the quality and attention to detail of their work.
For those on non hunting safaris, ie photo, touring, etc., IMO only people to tip, If you chose to, would be:
Outfitter/PH (debatable)
PH/Guide,
Laundress(es),
Maid,
Cook(s),
(Perhaps the latter 3 are the same person)
First and Foremost Tips are a Gratuity!! You are Giving An Earn Bonus and Showing Your Appreciation for "their" Going Above Normal Service(s) In A Monetary or/and Other Gifted Manor!!!
It Is Not Your Responsibility to pay or supplement "their" wages!!! It Is "Their" Employer's, whether reputable or irreparable, responsibility to pay Their employee(s) wage(s)!!! Not the clients' via "tips".
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