Thoughts On Bringing Vs Renting Rifles To Africa

I agree with Von S.

There is nothing better than taking a African animal with your own rifle that is shooting reloads or even factory ammo that you are comfortable with and know what it is going to do. At least for your first African safari.

I can proudly say that all of my African trophies were taken with my very own rifle with reloads that I developed and shot. Just something real satisfying about being able to say that.
 
May have missed it in the thread but for those who want to take their own firearms but have side trips, Gracy Travel can set up storage at Joburg airport while you go about your travels. I did it twice and it was very easy. When I got back to Tambo for my departure back to the states, Gracy's representative had my rifles and I was good to go.

Super. Great to know. Thanks.
 
If after a lifetime of collecting firearms, loading ammo, tweaking them to the pinnacle of accuracy to just leave them home when going hunting seems to not make a whole lot of sense to me.

: ) I get that.
 
I agree with Von.s
WTF are your guns good for and why do we practice with them, take care of them, develop loads for them, etc. etc IF WE ARENT GOING TO USE THEM WHEN IT COUNTS!
my babies go where I go and they have been a lot of places and yes there are hassles sometimes and issues BUT when it counts I don't even have to think about the shot because its my gun hits my shoulder like it has a million times locks on done deal. No fumbling around with a different kind of safety, scope mounted at wrong distance or height, etc.
Take your guns deal with the life of hassles and insure them.

Sounds like sound advice. Then again, all perspectives I've seen here make sense. Regarding insurance, where does one get insurance to properly cover their guns just for a trip? I don't have separate insurance for them at home because every place I've been wants a preposterous amount. They're locked up in a fire-resistant safe, in a closed off part of the house under lock and key, and the house has a sprinkler system in case of fire and is alarmed, with a direct connection to the monitoring center which will call 9/11 in case of fire and if they get a break in notice and can't reach my wife or I in minutes. That, and we live in a very secure area. So, conducting a cost-benefit analysis, the minimal risk was not worth the dollars wanted by these companies.

However, while traveling is another story altogether.
 
I agree with Von S.

There is nothing better than taking a African animal with your own rifle that is shooting reloads or even factory ammo that you are comfortable with and know what it is going to do. At least for your first African safari.

I can proudly say that all of my African trophies were taken with my very own rifle with reloads that I developed and shot. Just something real satisfying about being able to say that.

Something I have thought all along. Every time I look at a given gun in my collection, rifle or pistol, it makes me think of a particular hunting trip. Yeah, even my dad's Ruger Blackhawk, .357 Magnum. I was hunting back in the 90s in Colorado, but as usually had ZERO luck seeing elk. Weather was too mild and they were gone to the peaks of the mountains, inaccessible by us non-guided folk, after the first shot of the first season. Much to my chagrin, I have NEVER seen an elk during hunting season. Only during the off seasons. On that trip I went home with a rabbit, however, which I took with the revolver. (I have always had a small game license as well, just in case.) Kicked up this lovely bunny, which made a huge mistake. Ran for only 20 feet, then stopped. If he'd continued going, he'd have lived. But stopping and thinking he was hiding from me, turn him into supper. I didn't bring home any elk meat, but that bunny made awesome hasenpfeffer!

Took a prong horn at about 300 yards with my first rifle, which I still have, a Browning A-bolt hunter in 7 Rem Mag. Have taken several small white tail bucks with my 760 Gamemaster, and the last white tail I took -- a doe -- was with a gun I obtained in trade with a friend. It is one of my favorite deer guns, but again isn't an option for Africa, because it's a lever gun. Then again, it's too light for most species -- anything above Impala. That's my Model 1899 Savage in .250-3000. I absolutely LOVE that gun. It's light, extremely easy to handle, and shoots like a dream. Cant explain why, but that was the only time I've taken an animal where the bullet his EXACTLY where I was aiming. Usually I've found my rounds going high for some reason. Didn't flinch. Didn't do anything that should have pushed the round off the aim point. All of them were instant kills, dropping the animals where they stood, but for some reason they went higher than my aim point -- inexplicable on my part being all were on target when sighting in the guns. But the Savage was right dead center where I aimed, and the effect was quick. Dropped the doe. She got up on her front legs, staggered, and fell. The her rear end came up. Wobbled on those legs for a couple seconds then fell again. A few swishes of the tail and she was done. When I opened her, found that little 100 grain bullet had shattered three ribs, turned right, sliced through both lungs and, from the amount of blood, it looks like it clipped the aorta, shattered three more ribs on the far side, and then stopped. Evidently ran out of gas at that point and rebounded on the skin of the far side. So, all the energy was expended inside her. She was dead in <20 seconds. Never left the spot where she was hit.

Have no experience in the field with my .35 Whelen yet. But as my gunsmith who built it for me said, it's shoots really nice. I had actually bought a barrel through a catalog, but when he tested it, he said it was flinging rounds all over the place. So, I took the loss on that -- learned to never again buy an unknown brand barrel -- and replaced it with a Douglas. On the range has kept nice tight groups. In my book, as long as they don't wander beyond 1 3/4 inches at 100 yards, I'm good. All my guns fall into that category.
 
I’m a newbie. I found an outfitter with a great deal and I can rent the rifle including the ammo cheap.
I’d like to take my own but his are Sako with Swarovski so why not
There seems to be some good advice o Using Henry the importation agent. $100 for peace of mind may be worth it unless you know the ropes.
 
Sounds like sound advice. Then again, all perspectives I've seen here make sense. Regarding insurance, where does one get insurance to properly cover their guns just for a trip? I don't have separate insurance for them at home because every place I've been wants a preposterous amount. They're locked up in a fire-resistant safe, in a closed off part of the house under lock and key, and the house has a sprinkler system in case of fire and is alarmed, with a direct connection to the monitoring center which will call 9/11 in case of fire and if they get a break in notice and can't reach my wife or I in minutes. That, and we live in a very secure area. So, conducting a cost-benefit analysis, the minimal risk was not worth the dollars wanted by these companies.

However, while traveling is another story altogether.
Gun insurance which covers yours guns in any location, your bedroom, safe, or Africa, is available from Lockton Affinity through the NRA. You already have $2500 if you are a NRA member. You have to apply and pay for additional insurance either through Lockton or another agency of your choosing. Only you can decide if it is worth it.
 
I have a friend who hunted plains game in South Africa a few years ago. He apparently had problems previously on a hunting trip for the U.S. to Canada, where his gun case went missing. Fortunately, the airlines finally found it and got it back to him, but way too late for the hunting trip. He had to rent a gun. He decided against chancing it on a trip to Africa and said he was rented a Weatherby rifle in 270 Magnum, with which they ensured he was comfortable before he went hunting. Turns out he tagged out on his first day -- lucky hunting -- and wound up traveling for the remaining 9 days of his trip. Loved every moment of it noting it would have been a major problem trying to carry out travel with a gun in tow. He also complained of the incredible amount of paperwork and time involved in trying to clear the guns for travel before he just gave up and decided to go with renting.

I've seen different comments herein, but really wonder, could this have just been his personal experience, which was out of the norm, or have any of you had problems as well? Advice? I like the idea of bringing my own guns simply because that's why I bought/built them, and because I know what to expect from each. At that, my thoughts are a new 30.06 I've having a stock made for and my 35 Whelen, which I had built years ago for Elk and Moose.

Any insight would be appreciated.

It’s always trouble traveling with gun. Get a good travel agent and take your own guns!
 
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