Thoughts on Borrowing Guns on Safari

Cleathorn

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I am a pretty serious American hunter. Therefore, I own guns. A fair amount of them. I own small bores, big bores, and a whole bunch of the mid-bores, which are all basically the same, but give rise to endless discussion about which one is best. Hint – they are all the same.

I own expensive guns, and inexpensive guns. I own compact rifles, bespoke shotguns, ultra-light mountain rifles, heavy sniper rifles and handguns of every sort. My cheapest rifles mounted with good optics shoot every bit as well as the most expensive rifles in the gun safe. Hint – invest in very good scopes. The only gun I own that truly outperforms all others might have been specifically made for the Israeli Defense Forces sniper unit: it actually holds its ¼ MOA out to 1,000 yards. Don’t mess with the IDF.

My personal range goes to 1,000 yards and I have access to a range with incremental targets to 1 mile, and a “long target” at 3,500 meters. I know, its awesome. I shoot a lot. So, I have guns, and shoot them often. The problem has become, you can’t actually take them anywhere. Not easily anyway. Traveling with guns is now far more trouble than it’s worth. I am still waiting to hear from the Spanish consulate in San Francisco about a firearms permit for a hunt in April. Last April.

So, I have started to borrow, or “hire,” guns. I have borrowed guns from PHs to hunt all sorts of plains game, dangerous game (I wrote about a recent elephant AH in June), and across Europe. I completed half the capra World Slam this year taking 6 mountain species using 5 different rifles in 5 different countries. I fired a total of 6 shots for 6 animals. The guns performed flawlessly.

It turns out that when you can only own a few fit-for-purpose guns, they usually work very well. My various OPHs have been telling that few years.

I have enjoyed the opportunity to see, use and learn about a lot of new guns and calibers. I have been especially impressed with the cohort of rifles built in Yugoslavia that are still in service across the various Balkan countries. The 7x64MM cartridge is wonderful to shoot, with little recoil and works very well on the chamois, roe deer and red stags. A nice Swarovski scope and that 7x64 will drive tacks across mountain canyons. A Blazer R8 in 300 win mag in Spain for Ibex, a 25-06 in South Africa to take virtually every species including the largest Cape Eland anyone I know has ever seen, a Kimber 308 in Zimbabwe that was matched to the 375 H&H, and on. It’s been wonderful.

Traveling without the hassle of taking guns has reduced the travel stress, made me more flexible (it certainly makes multi-country hunts waaaaaaayyyyyyy easier), and introduced a newfound topic of conversation around the campfire or pub table, depending on the local customs of where you are hunting. I have become a convert. I might consider taking specialty gun on a specialty hunt if I’m not sure of the rifles the outfitters will have, but that will become a rare event.

I still love my various guns, and I still shoot often. I enjoy shooting. The range time with a variety of guns and calibers has improved my field readiness. I mix and match bullets so I can get used to the fact that most guns perform well within field accuracy conditions with most ammunition. I have never seen an African PH turn down a handful of extra 470ne rounds because they weren’t his/her preferred manufacturer. I’ve mostly seen them drop the bullets into the tube and head out hunting.

My advice on traveling with guns is, for the most part, don’t. Practice a lot. Shoot often. Shoot everything. Get comfortable with as many firearms platforms as you can. Shoot every cartridge that you can. Use every bullet that you can find. And when the time comes, use whatever gun is in your hands, with whatever bullet is in that gun. Take a few breaths, don’t rush, and make the shot. When the bullet goes where it is supposed to, virtually any gun will work. And if you cannot consistently put the bullet right where you want, use a 375H&H, those things make big holes.
 
Traveling without guns would certainly make it a bit easier, but I will suffer the logistics, because really like using my own guns.


I also enjoy working up loads, experimenting with different ammo, and knowing the "dope" when I have to stretch a shot.
 
@Cleathorn
nice initial post, which got me interested.

Comment on rental gun:
Your comment makes sense for general starter plains game safari in Namibia or South Africa, or in cases where guns are not possible to import.
The problem in general is not rental rifle. Serious hunter, prepared for Africa, will use skillfully any rifle.

The problem in general could be poor quality ammunition, as only one available, used on tough animals, or dangerous game animals. I have seen wounding by cheap soft points in 300 win mag for example.

On Yugoslav rifles:
I have tried many. Which ones did you try, and found to be good (I agree some, are)? Would be interested to hear.

FYI - in Yugoslavia, till 1990, basically there was only one factory, zastava, which had civilian and military program. And there was few smaller workshops who based their production on zastava actions.
After collapse of Yugoslavia to 6 countries, most of new born countries took of with their own small arms development program, mostly for official use.
 
Traveling with guns is a PITA!! That being said, I wouldn’t go if I couldn’t use my own guns. My guns are my passion!!

I stop way short of anthropomorphizing my gun but I feel the exact same way. The animals are important, the hunt is important, the location is import, when I don't hunt alone (which I normally do), the company is important, and the gun is important. Hunting is that entire package, plus the photos, meals, conversations, etc that come afterwards. Missing any of the components would, for me, lessen the experience.
 
@Cleathorn I agree with you completely.

I hunt a lot. I shoot a lot. I'm proficient with almost anything I can get my hands on, and use a variety of options regularly. And this lends me to much rather rent/hire a firearm than go through the hassle of traveling with one.

Unless you have a reason to take your own guns (and "just wanting to" is a perfectly acceptable reason), it's easier to use theirs. PH's and Outfitters want you to be successful - they generally have the tools on hand to make that happen.

Small aside - I once used a rifle in SA for plains game that I enjoyed so much (Ruger American Rifle in .308) that I bought one when I came home and it's a tack driver.
 
I wish the narrative about difficulty taking your own guns would stop. The vast majority of African hunts on AH will be to South Africa or Namibia and it’s extremely easy. Zimbabwe is equally easy. Use a travel agent, go through a couple steps ahead of time, and get to use rifles you are 100% confident with. I’ve really never seen where it’s any trouble in Southern Africa but the narrative continues it’s more trouble than it’s worth. My last African hunt to Zimbabwe I had maybe 1 second windows on my buffalo and eland, this would be very difficult to do without your own rifle you have complete confidence in. It was well worth the extra steps of presenting Ethiopian firearm declaration and having my rifle verified in Addis Ababa flying there.

I do however rent guns on European trips because the duration is very short and I know extremely high quality firearms and scopes are available. Your comment about waiting on firearm/hunting permit from Spanish consulate I find very interesting though, because the hunting permit is the same whether you rent a rifle or bring your own.
 
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I have hunted South Africa twice and used my own rifle both times. After the first time I thought about using a camp rifle but decided against it when the cost was added up and figured that I might as well as use one that I was familiar with and pay for a preapproved permit.

Both times there really wasn't too much of a problem importing my rifle. The first time I was met at the gate by a gentleman who escorted me through the process and left me at security for my next flight. On the way back he met me right outside of the baggage claim and escorted me up to the ticket agent and then back to security for my flight home.

The second time all went well except for Qutar's policy of having to submit a piece of paper surrendering your firearm to them, this process was ridiculous and time consuming, but once done everything flowed just as it would as if you were a normal person without a rifle on board.

Now if I go on a third safari to South Africa I'll take my own rifle again. There is something about looking at the trophy on the wall and knowing that it was your rifle that shot it along with your hand loaded ammo. You just don't get that with a camp rifle.
 
Part of owning a rifle is being able to look at it and know...yeah, I shot that monster Buffalo on my wall with THAT rifle right there. Blooding it in so to speak. It's part of the hunt for me.

Secondly is all the time I spend practicing at the range with my specific rifle. I know how it feels, how it comes up, the trigger, the scope/sights...it's an extension of me.

Lastly, because it's an extension of me is also that it reflects the hunter I am. Synthetic, wood, blued, stainless, engraving or plain...etc. It's my opinion of what a hunting rifle should be.

I'll continue to deal with the stress and PITA of traveling with firearms.

And if you cannot consistently put the bullet right where you want, use a 375H&H, those things make big holes.
Not sure exactly what you consider a "big bore", but when a 375/9.3 is listed as a minimum for DG...the holes can get MUCH bigger.
 
Understand your point on easier to travel without your firearms. I also shoot a lot and have experience on most every platform out there. But to me I have a couple gottcha's when it comes to borrowing some else's rifle. First is that the ammo for it is an unkown to me, and Having a 15 1/4-15 3/8in LOP for rifles my odds of a camp rifle fitting me is VERY slim. In under 40 cal maybe not a big deal bit in DG cals fit is not something to compromise on in my book. So for the current time taking firearms in just another process of things to do to go hunt outside my home state.
 
I didn't have any troubles taking my rifle to RSA, heck, even the guy in the SAPS office that had a wrong serial number on his paperwork still left with his gun and had a great safari. I'll be taking mine every time I go.
About using the PHs gun, I used a Musgrave 30.06 with a can on it for bush pig on my safari because they wanted it to be quiet for the other animals coming to the bait. It was a fine rifle but it had a fixed 4x scope and I would have personally preferred to have a little more magnification to see more detail. Other than that I shot it just as good as my own. But for the rest of the hunt I used the rifle that I have taken to lots of places with little or no trouble.
 
I wish the narrative about difficulty taking your own guns would stop. The vast majority of African hunts on AH will be to South Africa or Namibia and it’s extremely easy. Zimbabwe is equally easy. Use a travel agent, go through a couple steps ahead of time, and get to use rifles you are 100% confident with. ...

Exactly.
The only way it would be a hassle is a multiple country non-hunting trip, followed by a hunting trip. I am not going to invest in six figures to a trophy elephant bull or a lion hunt and then depend on a rifle the outfitter provides with possibly questionable ammo to deliver results. I would NEVER use someone else's rifle for a DG hunt given a choice.

This July my hunt was preceded by 10 days of glamping in National Parks. I left my gear, including the rifles, with Buzz until my hunt time.

Now, on an RSA hunt, which all are farm hunts, go for the outfitters rifle. In case of a mishap, you haven't lost anything.
 
I believe that I have been on nine safaris. I have taken my own guns every time. I had ammo delayed once. Other than that, it has been hassle free. I really do not understand the concern.

FYI, these safaris have included Zambia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia and South Africa. In every case the gun permitting process was simple and hassle free.

Use a travel agent and pay for
Expediting.
 
Whatever works or doesn’t work for you is all that matters! The main thing is that you continue hunting and enjoying your guns as well!
 
Now, on an RSA hunt, which all are farm hunts, go for the outfitters rifle. In case of a mishap, you haven't lost anything.
I’d actually say South Africa is where you should definitely bring your own rifle. I just don’t see the excuse with direct flights from the USA unless you’re planning travel before or after. Plains game in Limpopo I didn’t find difficult shooting, renting outfitters rifle I think would be just fine 90% of time, but I found shooting in eastern cape very challenging. I shot a running bushbuck and a bushbuck that momentarily stopped and in Karoo I had very long shots. If a person can borrow 10 of their friend’s rifles at home and shoot them all confidently, borrow a rifle, but I think most will have a learning curve with every rifle they borrow.
 

“Thoughts on Borrowing Guns on Safari”​

Don’t. Or avoid it if possible…

I always bring my own rifles. I’ve brought 4 different rifles (7MM REM MAG, .243, and two different .375 H&H) on 4 trips to SA and there were no issues. I prefer to shoot my own rifles and ammo! Knowing the level of comfort, as well as predictable accuracy, means everything to me.
It just does!

This post was all over the place, but I assume that the OP made the point that the outfitter and/or PH’s rifles are well suited to hunt with. if so, I agree. This means you will likely “renting” and not “borrowing”. This should be worked out in advance so you understand the equipment you will use.

I was in SA with a guy recently that thought he could “borrow” his hunting partner’s rifle which he was familiar with, but he was ultimately not allowed to use. The two hunters had worked out bringing two rifles, but they belonged and permitted to only one of the two hunters! So, he had to rent the PH’s .308. Said hunter didn’t like .308’s and preffered a Magnum in .7MM; specifically the one belonging to and permitted to his partner!

Likely just a mental hang up, but he ended up shooting the .308 poorly! Didn’t ruin his trip, but was a definite issue that required many practice shots and rounds to get a comfortable zero. It also resulted in poor shooting; including a flat out miss at reasonable range! He said he “pulled it and shot over a nice Gemsbok” on the evening of the last day of his hunt.
 
I agree with the many things said by those that take their own rifles. I am firmly in that camp and I don't see it changing. I hunt largely with lever actions. I have 20 bucks that says there are no outfits over there that rent lever actions. :unsure:

I have only been to Africa once. I took 2 rifles. It was trouble free. It was extremely gratifying to kill my buffalo with a handload I researched and created myself. For me the experience would not have been the same with someone else's gun.
 

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