Those thinking about buying a first double rifle

You are comparing apples and oranges. My SxS shotguns are around 6 pounds. My .500 NE double rifle is over 10 lbs.

Also, I don't get why you think the double rifles are muzzle heavy. Both the shotguns and the double rifles I have balance at about the same spot in front of the action. I think because the rifles are heavier you think they are muzzle heavy. I'll agree to them being slower to bring around due to weight but the application is not quite the same as swinging at a fast moving pheasant either. It is a lot more deliberate.
When I hear a particular complaint about the efficiency of the presentation of a firearm I wonder how efficient the user is being in the presentation. If you are jerky with a light gun then it goes through the sight plane and beyond into recovery land. I would think that a double rifle would come up smoothly and the critical user is not proficient enough to realize that this smooth presentation, although perceived as slower, is actually faster due to the lack of corrective collimation required once in the area if the sighting plane.
 
One other thing, in Sporting Clay guns people actually prefer heavier shotguns as it is smoother to track compared to a lighter shotgun. The extra weight actually helps. That application is actually closer to double rifle handling as you know where the target is and swinging for it whereas upland hunting the birds can be flushed in almost any direction (assuming a flushing hunt not a pointing dog hunt) where a lighter firearm helps to get in line faster.
 
DUGABOY1

You need to write a book about doubles. You could name it "Doubles for Americans" If you do not, I may take all of your posts from the various forums and "write" one myself.

enysse,
Bolt actions offer a little better accuracy in general (not always) and are less finnicky than doubles. That being said, smaller scoped doubles like a 9.3 by 74 are more accurate than people realize. (Mac-how far did Tony kill a coyote with his 9.3?) There is also the 500-416 Nitro that has the same basic ballistics as a 416 Rem/Rigby/Taylor. A scoped double in this cartidge would do anything a a scoped bolt gun could plus you have that instant second shot.

The double will never supplant bolt guns in America but they definitely have their place in North America.

I shot my 470 Krieghoff today along with my Palma rifle and AR-15 Service rifle. Being so different, it was almost humurous to look at the K-Gun and the AR next to each other.
agreed. i have a double in 9.3x74r and have a small quick detach scope in case i want to pop it in really quick. it is a aingle lever mount and can be attached in just a few seconds. i can shoot out to 300 yards with mine comfortably.
 
This was intended, from the ground up, as a North American double...single trigger, low-power scope, over/under, .30-'06, and sling...

Amazingly, the first time I pulled the trigger on an animal the under barrel's cartridge was a dud. We always use redundancy as an excuse for digging deeper to get a double but it my case it was the difference between getting a deer and not and on the first time I used it.

It's a single inertia trigger gun so I still had to cycle the safety. There is no way I could have cleared the dud from any other action type and still got this deer.

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Here's the dud....

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This was intended, from the ground up, as a North American double...single trigger, low-power scope, over/under, .30-'06, and sling...

Amazingly, the first time I pulled the trigger on an animal the under barrel's cartridge was a dud. We always use redundancy as an excuse for digging deeper to get a double but it my case it was the difference between getting a deer and not and on the first time I used it.

It's a single inertia trigger gun so I still had to cycle the safety. There is no way I could have cleared the dud from any other action type and still got this deer.

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Here's the dud....

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Factory or reload? Have you pulled the bullet to check if it's charged?
 
Factory or reload? Have you pulled the bullet to check if it's charged?
It was factory. Unfortunately my stand was in 3 inches of water, willow oak leaves and pine straw so when the dud and the empty ejected I couldn't find them until the water dried up. It did have powered but water had seeped in so I'm not really sure why it didn't fire.
 
Those thinking about buying a first double rifle. I believe that it is common in the USA that most folks think of a double rifle as either too expensive, or not suited to hunting anything smaller than an elephant, or both. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

The double rifle is the only rifle you can have that started it's life as a hunting rifle. All other types started out as a war weapon, and then was applied to the hunting fields. Since it is the only true hunting rifle, that should be reason enough to attract hunters in the USA, but for some strange reason this has never happened.

I blame this on ignorance! Now before some of you guys get your feelings hurt, let me explain! Ignorance is nothing but a word that describes the fact that something is not well understood, or not known at all. It has nothing to do with a person's intelligence, but that he simply has not been taught something.

This phenomenon is not limited to the run of the mill hunter, or the guy who is not well up on "GUNOLOGY" , but is rampant among gun writers, and even some of the most well known rifle smiths in the USA, and many other countries. Even people who have taken the big five, and grand slams of all kinds are sadly ignorant when it come to the double rifle. The misconceptions are a bag full, that would slow a train to haul.

In the USA we tend to read the gun rag guys, as if they were reading from scripture, and anything they say has to be correct, simply because they said it. Again we are being mislead, in some cases because the writer is too lazy to do the research, but mostly because they are printing opinion that the think is true.

The double rifle is a complex type of rifle to build and make it shoot properly. no formula, or jig can be made to get away from the tedious work of fitting these things so they work properly. All types of things have been tried to make regulating the barrels easy, and nothing has worked. Most think if you simply make the barrel exactly parallel then the rifle will shoot side by side! So why not simply use a laser to align the barrels and save hours, and hours, plus several rounds of very expensive ammo to regulate the barrels? The reason is it doesn't work.

The barrels have to be laid to not only converge, but to point as crossing, and low, compared to where you want the bullets to hit the target. The double rifle depends on the recoil arch of the rifle, and the speed of the bullet to shoot to where the sights are pointing when the trigger is pulled. IOW, if you place the barrels in a vice with the sights held dead on your target at the iron sight' regulated distance,then with an empty case, with no primer, in each barrel using the primer hole like a peep sight, look through each barrel. What you will see is, the right barrel will be pointing at a place that is low and on the left of where the sights are aligned. The left barrel will be pointing to a place on the right and low in relation to where the sights are aligned. This is necessary because of thing called barrel time. What that means is, when the trigger is pulled on the RIGHT barrel, the rifle rises up and to the RIGHT while the bullet is traveling down that barrel, so that the barrel is pointing to the point the sights were when the trigger was pulled, and Vice-versa for the left barrel. So the double rifle depends on the recoil arch, and the bullet's speed down the tube, to be aligned when that bullet exits the barrel. This converging of the barrels can be done exactly the same with two rifles shooting the same cartridge and they will not shoot the same, so each rifle has to be regulated by it's own rules to work properly. this is one of the reasons even the cheapest double rifle requires over 800 hours of skilled labor to complete, hence the cost of manufacture. However when this is done properly no rifle in the world is more reliable for hunting anything from jackrabbit to elephant depending on the clambering.

More later............................:)
 

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