The 375HH may not be "ALL THAT" for African Plains Game

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For Plains Game I've only shot a Warthog and one Wildebeest with the 375, but having heard how these guys aren't easy to put down, I grabbed the 375 instead of the 308. The 300gr TSX entered the chest and exited the back of the left hip. He went exact 2 feet...... straight down.

I consider it mostly luck because much like Buff, the things tend to shrug off hits once their adrenaline is up. I'd probably make the same choice if Zebra were the target animal.
Very nice blue WB. I love hunting those as much as any PG in Africa. I used my 375 on my first on as well. Took three shots. Used a 7mm/08 on the last one and despite it being 314y away the first shot dropped it but it did require an up close finisher. They are tough. Used Barnes TSX on both.
 
I agree, when I booked my last trip to RSA I suspected I would be hunting PG in areas with resident buffalo. Having a .375 in my hands was comforting at a time where a .308 may have seemed lacking.
On my last trip when stalking buffalo in thick cover that limited visibility to about 20y, I was also carrying my 375 but wishing I had brought a German 88mm AAA gun. At those ranges Sullivan's 577NE makes total sense. It did have me questioning some of my life choices. Fun stuff.

When we did get a shot on buff the 375 did the job pretty well. Afterall, it is just a big cow, right? It was in an open area and further away. It only went about 50y after the first shot and I did shoot it four times during the 30 odd seconds that took because, it was still on its feet and it was a buffalo. After it was down, I shot it once more (it was already dead), because it was a buffalo and was down. Ammo is cheap and hospital stays are expensive and funerals are very expensive. If I had been carrying a 458 or other larger weapon, I still would have shot it more than once. Of course the Cape Buffalo is not nearly as tough as the Brazilian Water Buffalo (or so, I am told). None of the bullets in my buff exited the body but the skinners failed to recover them so, I do not have any for show and tell. Anybody who says they are not tough is full of it.
 
Very nice blue WB. I love hunting those as much as any PG in Africa. I used my 375 on my first on as well. Took three shots. Used a 7mm/08 on the last one and despite it being 314y away the first shot dropped it but it did require an up close finisher. They are tough. Used Barnes TSX on both.
I wanted to know what made you decide on the Accubond over say the Norma oryx which also has a great reputation or any other SP? Sometimes its what's in front of you at the time, sometimes its advice from friends.

I took a WB two months ago with .375 h&h, broadside, broke the knuckle at the top of the leg and drilled the center of the heart better than if i'd punched it with a pencil. It spun around in place for about 10 seconds and was done. That was with Oryx 300gr. I have it running at about 2600 f/ps.
The day before, a fellow hunter with almost the same load, had a herd running by with a small window through some trees at 120m. One WB stopped in the gap, he took the shot, knocked it on its back. It got up and we found it 300m away. Whether an animal goes straight down has a lot of variables to it.
 
If the bullet hits the vital zone on an animal, it will die. When and where it will decide to die is the big question for hunter's everywhere. Unfortunately, animals don't have access to ballistic charts, bullet performance ratings and the expertise on AH. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Since the animal is not aware of all the information and expertise that states how it is supposed to react, its survival instinct kicks in and it does whatever the hell it wants. This often confuses experts and plants many doubts. It can also result in extreme measures, such as banning the 375 H&H. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Having said that, I prefer to use a bullet that has a high probability of exiting and leaving a blood trail. Also, I don't shoot and "observe". I keep putting bullets in the animal until it decides to cooperate.

Safe hunting
 
I wanted to know what made you decide on the Accubond over say the Norma oryx which also has a great reputation or any other SP? Sometimes its what's in front of you at the time, sometimes its advice from friends.

I took a WB two months ago with .375 h&h, broadside, broke the knuckle at the top of the leg and drilled the center of the heart better than if i'd punched it with a pencil. It spun around in place for about 10 seconds and was done. That was with Oryx 300gr. I have it running at about 2600 f/ps.
The day before, a fellow hunter with almost the same load, had a herd running by with a small window through some trees at 120m. One WB stopped in the gap, he took the shot, knocked it on its back. It got up and we found it 300m away. Whether an animal goes straight down has a lot of variables to it.
The answer is more or less simple. My son and I are going to Texas to hunt Nilgai next year. They evolved in India being hunted by Bengal Tigers. They are built a lot like African PG but have skin more like a Cape Buffalo. That thick rubbery skin closes bullet holes and limits the amount of visible blood trail making them very hard to track without a dog. To prevent the loss of a wounded animal, our host/guide requires that all hunters on his ranch shoot at minimum a 300wm or larger caliber weapon. He also specifically asked us to not use Barnes TSX (my 1st choice) or other mono copper bullets due to his own personal biases against them. He also strongly suggested not using any cup & core lead bullets like SST, or Coreloked. That pretty much limited us to bonded core type bullets. Oryx would work fine, it is a great bullet, but his first choices were Trophy Bonded Bearclaws or Nosler AccuBond. I have both and my rifle shoots the AccuBonds the best of the two.

In my opinion, I think in many ways the TSX might be better as it is more likely to penetrate all the way thru the animal and provide two holes for a blood trail but I like bonded cores for use on larger body game since they are good for breaking bone and still get to the vitals, plus do a bit more internal damage than the monos and hold together better than the cup & core options. Honestly, if we place the bullet in the correct place at a range close enough to provide some expansion and enough penetration, then the animal will die fairly quickly regardless of bullet used. My PH in Africa uses SST all the time on his PG hunts and loves em but he has two advantages. 1.) the average ranges his clients are shooting in Limpopo are 20-200y which is the sweet spot for a 375. And 2.) He has five native trackers that are better than beagle hounds at tracking wounded game. As someone already said on another thread, the best tracker in Texas is only slightly better than Stevie Wonder, lol.

Nilgai look like a small Eland but are otherwise, a lot like Wildebeest. Similar size (500-700lb), similar toughness. Nilgai have very sharp eyes and keen noses and if you see one at 400y or less, there is a good chance he sees you too and will exist stage left post haste. Stealth and use of cover and wind are your friends but our guide says his ranch is mostly flat and grassy and lacks much cover to speak of. He told us to plan for shots out to 400y and expect shots in the 200-300y window. A 375 is great out to 200 or 250y and even at 300y it is a great round. But beyond that the big assed bullet lacks the sleek BC to carry its velocity and starts to slow and drop a lot. I could hit one with it at 400y but it is not going to expand much. It will kill the bull but the animal is highly likely to run so far that we could lose it. Not a good outcome as this is a meat hunt.

I liked the Accubond because it has a ballistic tip which helps the BC a little and keeps it in the optimal window further with the 375. The 338 does all that and still carries the velocity and energy to get a faster kill out to 400y or even 500y, IF... You can hit the target. The rub is my 338 has not proven to be a tack driver with the loads I have on hand at the moment. 1.5-3.0" groups at 100y are not optimal in my view as those open up to twice that when shooting from sticks. I want a rifle that I can keep all my shots at 200y from sticks inside a 6" circle. Right now my 338 cannot do that. My son's 338 on the other hand is a tack driver, so unless I can get mine shooting better by February, we will take my son's 338wm and my 375HH for the hunt. It is a good combo since they both shoot 1/2moa or nearly so from a bench and 2" off sticks at 100y. One is a hammer up close and the other is the long gong if needed and still hammers enough in close. I have some AccuBonds for the 338 coming next week to try. It is part of the process and honestly, I enjoy this part almost as much at the hunting. So, I am wallowing in ballistic charts and empty brass like a pig in slop.

While evaluating both options, I will apply all of my benchrest accurizing voodoo to the 338 to see if I can polish up its performance. It has a floated bbl and decent trigger now. But there are tricks of the trade which might improve it some.
 
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I was late in taking a 375 to Africa. I did not use one until Safari #3. It saved the day. I had a game ending malfunction with my custom 318 while in the Karoo. No gunsmith or parts were going to be forthcoming anytime soon.

The 375 I had with me “just in case” saved the trip. I was able to take the Springbok slam, a Bontebok, and a fine Cape Kudu with my back up in 375. The cape Kudu at 280 yards was the longest shot I had taken in Africa at that time.

My 3 gun battery on that trip also included a 450-400 that I had used earlier on the trip for Cape Buffalo in the Northwest Province. I only took the 375 as it could serve as a spare for dangerous or plains game. For once my plan was sound.
 
I am slowly becoming a fan of the 338wm. I am currently working up two of them for an upcoming Texas Nilgai hunt. On paper, when applied to the 600sih lb Nilgai antelope, it looks like it will do almost anything the 375 will do but will do it at least 100y further using the 225g ammo. We are told by our Ranch owner/guide that the typical shots can be as far as 300-400y. While we will attempt to get closer, I feel like the 375 is getting mighty slow out past 300y and I worry about wounding an animal and not being able to track it. I know the 375 will kill it but if it goes to far, we lack the services of good native African trackers in Texas, lol.

So far, my 338 is not shooting quite as well as my 375 but my son's is shooting super. So, maybe we will use one of each. Me with the big gun for up close and him with the 338 for the longer shots. We plan to use AccuBonds in the 375 and the 338 if we can get them. If not, the Trophy Bonded Tip is one option in either 200g or 225g.
The .338 is perfect for Nilgai. Think Blue wildebeest when making that shot - low and a bit forward.
 
If Plainsgame animals shot with a .375 H&H; using the bullets you named, are requiring follow-up shots you’re either very rapidly machine gunning another round into them when unneeded (not saying shooting until they stop moving is wrong), or it’s your shot placement. You’re shooting premium bullets and shouldn’t have any issues. I like the 250’s over the 300’s myself, except on the bigger stuff.

If I had to guess, I’ve shot well over 100 animals with a 375 H&H in Africa using 250gr & 300gr Bear Claws, or 300gr A-Frames and Hydro Solids. I’ve never experienced more bangflops than with this rifle. Nearly everything has been 1 shot kills including multiple Buffalo. Aside from Big 5 anima where insurance is typically paid, the only animals I recall needing a follow-up are an exceptionally large Livingstone Eland. I take 100% responsibility in making a poor first shot on. A Gemsbok bull, where the distance was misjudged on an already long shot resulting in a lower than ideal frontal impact but a quick follow-up, and a Zebra that was quartering slightly more than I realized resulting in 1 broken leg and a single lung hit which would’ve been fatal but i wanted to end quickly.

Conversely barring a marginal shot or miss on my end from the other calibers I’ve used in Africa (.308, 300 H&H, .275 Rigby, 30-06, 300WM, and 260) they too have been mostly 1 shot kills, but there have been a couple of additional follow-ups required.
@Mtn_Infantry - agree and you nailed it in your opening sentence : “gunning another round in them when unneeded….or it’s shot placement”. If you’re getting poor results on Deer with a .375 H&H it’s YOU and Not a cartridge tested & proven for 100 years. No one has suddenly “discovered a flaw” in the .375 H&H (a cure for Cancer will be found sooner)”. Bullet placement is primary, bullet selection secondary, combining both = success.
 
2010, I went to the Kalahari with a friend who was hunting a lioness, once the lioness was down, he proceeded to shoot a few plainsgame with a .375HH whch performed flawlessly.

I saw a nice Springbok, and shot it with a .375HH, 300gr TBBC, heart shot, died instantly.

On the other hand, in a previous Safari, I saw a hunter having to shoot a zebra several times with a .375HH before it went down, probably from lead poisoning !

It´s all about shot placement.

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@Mtn_Infantry - agree and you nailed it in your opening sentence : “gunning another round in them when unneeded….or it’s shot placement”. If you’re getting poor results on Deer with a .375 H&H it’s YOU and Not a cartridge tested & proven for 100 years. No one has suddenly “discovered a flaw” in the .375 H&H (a cure for Cancer will be found sooner)”. Bullet placement is primary, bullet selection secondary, combining both = success.
That is fact. I've shot a number of blacktail deer with the .375 mostly with the Hornaday 270gr inter lock, ( a cup & core bullet) I got complete pass through from any angle. One facing me at about 70yds, hit in the center of the chest, exited in front of the hip. Never recovered a bullet.
 
I don’t mind using my 375 with 235gr Speer hot core or Barnes 235 TSX on deer , nilgai
Hogs , elk , bob35whelen ran me some perfect loads @ 2850fps or a little hotter one @ 3000+/- ( if you want a ripper load )
And I would shoot them on any PG or NA games
I am getting hung up on whether or not to take a 9.3x62 or just run the 375 in Mozambique ( dumb down the 375 for PG with a scope and run open with 300gr on buffalo )
But everything I shoot with the dumbed down 375 goes TITS up asap
 
As a follow up to my original reply regarding my experience in the Karoo with the 375 all animals were shot with a 300 grain Barnes TSX.

Kudu at 280 yards facing me slightly quartering. Bullet in medial to left shoulder and exited right inner thigh near scrotum. Ran 40 yards.

Common and Copper Springbok broadside about 160 yards and 180 respectively. Both ran about 10 yards. Black Springbok broadside 200 yards ran 25 yards. All springbok shot through one shoulder. I was surprised by the size off the exit wounds. Much larger than I expected. White Springbok was slightly quartering away 175 yards and began to run as I broke the shot. Bullet went through abdomen and nearly severed left rear leg. Finisher to chest after running in a semi circle coming about 50 yards closer. Dropped on second shot.

Bontebok 200 yards quartering away. Bullet in behind right shoulder and out through left shoulder. Dropped at shot. All exit wounds were approximately silver dollar size.

Organ damage was impressive on all but the gut shot Springbok’s initial wound. The 375 saved the day for me and I was well pleased. I would note that I have shot plains game with the 9.3x62 and 286 Barnes TSX bullets and they mostly were DRT with similar shot placement. Jackal, Common Springbok, Black Wildebeest, Warthog all DRT. Eland made 2 circles then dropped. The 9.3 in my experience was absolutely lights out!
 
If the OP claims accuracy, then it’s all about Shot placement. If I am using a Barnes bullet, I aim at a different place than softer more frangible bullet.

Bullet selection affects where to aim.

Desired outcome also affects placement- bang flop requires a CNS shot to be predictable.

If you have a long or hard shot and want to maximize target area a lot will aim for double lung behind shoulder, also preserve meat on shoulder. This however especially with a large slow hard bullet rarely gets a bang flop, and if you hit back may be a liver/guts then of course you will need to follow up.

If you want a behind the shoulder lungs/liver shot then you must shoot a softer bullet (or drive the harder bullet faster). That’s why all the long range (500-1000yd +) shooters love using target bullets like Bergers and Match bullets- in addition to higher BC, they explode on impact and get max soft tissue damage.

Always with a Barnes and a big caliber on non-dangerous game, I am aiming to break bone- usually the front shoulder. That will usually be a one shot kill and DRT.

Most overthink which “cartridge/caliber” is better but more importantly is which bullet and exactly where you place it.
 
What do you think about the 375HH for use on Plains Game? Share your opinion. I have been hunting with the 375HH for about three years now and honestly, for use on plains game in Africa and North America, I have not been all that impressed. To put that into context, with the exception of a poorly placed first shot on my Kudu this year, all of my first shots with the 375 have been well placed. My rifle shoots exceptionally well and I shoot it well. I am not particularly recoil sensitive and enjoy shooting full power 500g loads in the 458wm. Not that the recoil of the 375 is all that different. Some but not much.

So, why am I making such a blasphemous claim? Don't get me wrong. Every animal I have shot with the 375 has died, but...

With the exception of a whitetail deer that I shot in WV a few years ago as an ammo experiment, none of them were one shot kills. They all required one or more follow up shots. And the inspection of the internal damage on the deer indicated that the bullet did less damage than a 270win would (my usual deer rifle). I think that the usual bullets loaded into a 375 are built tough for killing large tough game and as such they expand more slowly and penetrate deeply and dump energy more gradually. While it might be necessary for Buffalo, it is not helpful on smaller, lighter game. I have used 250g Trophy Bonded Bearclaw, Barnes 300g TSX, and Swift A-Frame. All performed more or less the same.

The most impressive kill on game with a 375HH that I have made was a Blue Wildebeest. It was a world record class Alpha herd bull that stood his ground and faced us at 160y. I made a perfectly placed slightly quartering frontal shot that took out the right lung, the plumbing at the top of the heart and just nicked the left lung. Penetrated almost 36" and lodged in the paunch. That 300g TSX bullet expanded to 1.9x or 2.0x as I recall. The bull ran 60y and fell. A 2nd shot at 60y to the neck was a pass thru and the last shot at 10y was to finish the beast hit the chest and lodged on the opposite side and expanded to 2.2x. The first shot killed it but it still took two more. WB's are tough. I often wonder what a 30-06 or 300wm would have done on the same bull?

I have killed five African PG animals with the 308 and over a dozen deer and ALL were one shot kills except one deer and that was traced to a poorly constructed bullet that did not expand at all and functioned like a solid. Even in that case I killed the deer after several shots. I have used the 270 on at least a dozen deer and ALL were one shot kills and most dropped in their tracks. I have taken five or six with the 44mag in a rifle and ALL dropped in their tracks DRT. I have used the 7mm Mag and the 7mm/08 on PG and both worked effectively, even when some shots were not placed perfectly.

So, why is the 375 not the cat's meow? Slower MV with controlled expansion bullets is part of the issue. Even with the 180g heavy for caliber ammo in the 308, at 200y the 308 hits at speeds roughly 10% faster than the larger 375. Using 180g federal fusions the 308 expands to 2.4x and still penetrates well. The 375 with a 300g TSX is going to expand to about 1.9x at the same distance (200y). So, if both bullets expand to about the same 0.7 inch diameter and both penetrate enough to reach the vitals, will the one hitting faster do the most damage? I don't know but the empirical evidence would favor the smaller, faster, option.

Now, we are not advocating the use of a 308 or 270 to hunt Cape Buffalo. That is a different animal. Thick hide, large tough bones and a supernatural will to live and trample whomever pissed it off. Just sayin.

All, I am saying is that from what I have seen so far, the 375 while adequate for PG hunting, is not a magic bullet. A 30-06, 308, 7mm Mag or 300wm all might be a better choice. Lighter rifle, less recoil, and just as effective if not more so, on the typical PG prey.

None of us mere hunters are going to ever get enough personal experience to solve this question. We just do not have the time or funds to gain that kind of expertise. I would ask that our PH's who hunt hundreds of days each season and take hundreds of animals every year weigh in and share your opinions. I would ask that our older, more experienced hunters also share your experiences and opinions. Have you used the 375 on plains game or witnessed its use? How did it do? What was the internal damage when compared to other typical PG rifle choices? How often was the animal downed with one shot? and how often did it drop in its tracks? (central nervous system shots do not count).

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Rechamber to 375 Weatherby. A 250g TTSX at 3100 fps might be just the ticket. My Rem XCR II in 375 Weatherby weighs 7 1/2 lbs with scope (2-7x Leupold Firedot) unloaded.

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Rechamber to 375 Weatherby. A 250g TTSX at 3100 fps might be just the ticket. My Rem XCR II in 375 Weatherby weighs 7 1/2 lbs with scope (2-7x Leupold Firedot) unloaded.
I do not own any Weatherby chambered rifles and do not plan to in the future. Thx but no thx.
 
If the OP claims accuracy, then it’s all about Shot placement. If I am using a Barnes bullet, I aim at a different place than softer more frangible bullet.

Bullet selection affects where to aim.

Desired outcome also affects placement- bang flop requires a CNS shot to be predictable.

If you have a long or hard shot and want to maximize target area a lot will aim for double lung behind shoulder, also preserve meat on shoulder. This however especially with a large slow hard bullet rarely gets a bang flop, and if you hit back may be a liver/guts then of course you will need to follow up.

If you want a behind the shoulder lungs/liver shot then you must shoot a softer bullet (or drive the harder bullet faster). That’s why all the long range (500-1000yd +) shooters love using target bullets like Bergers and Match bullets- in addition to higher BC, they explode on impact and get max soft tissue damage.

Always with a Barnes and a big caliber on non-dangerous game, I am aiming to break bone- usually the front shoulder. That will usually be a one shot kill and DRT.

Most overthink which “cartridge/caliber” is better but more importantly is which bullet and exactly where you place it.
Very good constructive comments. Well done. I have only had one case of poor shot placement with my 375 and in that case a Kudu was shot a bit too low with the first shot due to a mis-fire on the initial attempt (bad ammo) and a rushed follow up that led to a hit low in the brisket that also broke the front leg. After a long tracking job we finished it with a shoulder shot. That one was on me for sure. After running out of my Barnes ammo, I was using some commercial reloads some of which failed to go "bang". Murphy is a vindictive little Irish SOB.

As a general comment not directed at you at all, I was aware of the long range crowd using Bergers and other frangible bullets for ELR hunting but refuse to engage is such pursuits. My PH explained why we do not shoot game at 500, 600y and beyond. "Because we are better hunters then that."

I love shooting steel at ELR with high powered rifles or competing with them. I even shoot my 22lr at long ranges out to 400y which is roughly the same as shooting a 308 at 1500y. Just because we can hit a living thing at such extreme long distance, does not mean we should. The reduced velocity and limited energy simply makes it wound the animal in many cases, if you hit it and then it dies a slow, painful death or worse, it is crippled for the remainder of its life. I recently watched a group of hunters shooting mainly elk and mule deer at ranges from 500-1100y. They were mostly using 300prc and similar rounds and these were all kill shots and most were pretty impressive. So, I know it can be done with the right skill and equipment. I just do not want to be that guy. To the guys who do this and do it well? Good for you. Not my place to be critical.
 

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