Great rifle! It is more than you will ever need as a client and outperforms the 416s that so many drool over!
I have and I’ve watched all of his YouTube! He calls a 458 bullet at 2150fps the “Gold Standard” for dangerous game!
Thank youThat rifle and caliber will do fine. Huge egos, myths and old wive’s tales live and massage each other, in perpetuity on the internet. Doubt it? … Pay attention to the hypocrisy and echo chamber hiding in plain sight on the subjects of rifles and calibers. Two examples I often see when discussing the 7x57 and 375HH… the same crowd who criticize and demeans owners of the 458 WM speak of both the 7x57 and 375HH as near as any caliber to Thor’s hammer as is known in the mortal world.
For reloading the 458 WM, follow the recommended starting loads and work up carefully. Use a chronograph and keep velocity objectives within reason, Forget trying to hot rod any hunting cartridge. Standard factory vels tend to run around 2150 for a reason! Use temperature insensitive powders and pay no attention to ideas of comparing any cartridge to some stupid standard like 80 k PSI…WTH! Watch for high pressure signs during load work up. A 45 cal 450 grain tough expanding bullet loaded to 2100 fps through the heart/lung boiler of a buffalo will do the job. Your average shot distance on buffalo will likely be somewhere around 50 +/- yards.
I would start by getting some good, tough 450 gr hunting bullets. Use a Lee FCD die for crimping. Big bonus if bullet has crimp groove located/designed for the 458 WM length. Benchmark and similar temperature insensitive powders are good powders to try, Avoid slower ball powders even if someone promises a few more fps!
Reliability is the name of the game for DG ammo.
in 1992? LOL
What about a higher BC/SD 416 doing 2,450 (what is that 6,000+ ft/lbs E?) I, and many others (including KR's recommendations) will take the latter. No BS. The gold standard when the WM replaced the cordite straighwalls, maybe. Bigger 458 cartridges are fine (a bit more zip.) Or, get close and use the WM.
Have witnessed many (standing right next to the shooter.) The Jeffrey definitely has more steam and the 577 about as big as anyone would like to shoot. 500 NE is more similar to the WM. Watched my son shoot a big zebra with one and it ran and took several shots. The other two-Badass!
As a plus, I love the Jeff case for wildcats. There's a GREAT video of Capstick shooting a 577 at elephant showing what the gun does to both animal and elder shooter's body in slow motion.BC means nothing for a dangerous game cartridge and the 458 has a higher SD of 341 vs 330in 1992? LOL
I agree! I just watched a video where York, of Dalton & York, who carries a Winchester M-70 458WinMag as a backup rifle was guiding a Bull Elephant Hunt. They get into a bachelor herd of ten or so Bulls several of them had some good tusks. They decided on a Bull and when it came time to shoot the client hit the Bull well but it didn’t go down so York went into action! That guy can shoot!!! He got off four 458WinMag rounds, out of a 8lb rifle that kicks like hell, so fast that the client barely got off is second round out of his double!
Going to go out on a limb and say Norma, their brass generally has the greatest capacity vs American brands.
Why can't factory loads get anywhere near these velocities? Your reloads are getting +169 fps on the 500gr and +185 fps on the 450gr.
.458 WinMag once-fired brass, not re-sized, not de-primed, and at 2.500" length by calculation if actually shorter, to level the playing field, gross water capacities in grains:
