Suppressed Weapon Systems of Stafford, TX

[Justin.]

Hello everyone! I’m getting close to the end of the planning stage for the builder for my custom DG / Plains rifle build and was wondering if any of you had worked with Suppressed Weapon Systems in Stafford, TX and could share the good and the bad? I’m still on the fence regarding caliber, but looking very seriously at either the .375 H & H or the .404 Jeffrey so if anyone has done a similar build I’d love to see what components you used with them to help balance those 28” long barrels they recommend!

So far communication has been excellent and I’m very confident they can build what I’m looking for, but not seeing much in terms of reviews from previous customers. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated!

As an aside, if any of you have had integrally suppressed barrels done up by a different company and would recommend them, please let me know!

 

[nztimb]

The 404 Jeffery does not need a 28 inch barrel to get excellent working velocity of 2250 - 2300fps and can easily be had from 23-25 inch barrels and at this velocity in a 9 1/2lb total rifle weight is mild enough that I would never concede the need for a supressor.
The 404 Jeffery is an easily controlled cartridge in a well balanced and weighted rifle and I would reccomend spending more time on strock design and component weight rather than any supression system

 

[Justin.]

The 404 Jeffery does not need a 28 inch barrel to get excellent working velocity of 2250 - 2300fps and can easily be had from 23-25 inch barrels and at this velocity in a 9 1/2lb total rifle weight is mild enough that I would never concede the need for a supressor.
The 404 Jeffery is an easily controlled cartridge in a well balanced and weighted rifle and I would reccomend spending more time on strock design and component weight rather than any supression system

My apologies! I left out some pertinent information in my initial post! The 28” barrel recommendation stems from the fact that the baffle cuts are 8” of the total barrel length, so there would only be 20” of rifling in that long of a barrel. Didn’t think to ask in the moment but now wondering if they could do a reduced length cut for the baffles to reduce overall barrel length.

I’ll admit that the choice of a suppressor is very untraditional for a safari rifle but the benefits for me outweigh the downsides! I may be referred to as a recoil shy individual LOL!

A custom fitted stock is certainly going to happen! I’m concerned about balance despite their assurances that they build these all the time and it won’t be an issue, and have already accepted ill need a custom stock to help with balance and the benefits of recoil management you mentioned! Custom rifles are fun to plan but all this thinking makes my brain hurt LOL!

This video convinced me that their barrels were the way to go to tame some recoil!

 

[Mark Biggerstaff]

I have never dealt with them but have seen a few of their rifles, none in that large of chambering. So you are actually doing an interagal suppressed rifle build I assume in either 375 or 404? That will be an interesting build. But here is the key factor. Can you take in interagal rifle on safari? Since the entire gun is a class 3 firearm. US Customs May have a different say in the matter of leaving USA with it.
I know I would make sure you can take an interagal suppressed before you build it.

I can see problems accruing if at any point along the way in travel out of USA with a totally suppressed rifle in another country with there airport security.

 

[Justin.]

I have never dealt with them but have seen a few of their rifles, none in that large of chambering. So you are actually doing an interagal suppressed rifle build I assume in either 375 or 404? That will be an interesting build. But here is the key factor. Can you take in interagal rifle on safari? Since the entire gun is a class 3 firearm. US Customs May have a different say in the matter of leaving USA with it.
I know I would make sure you can take an interagal suppressed before you build it.

I can see problems accruing if at any point along the way in travel out of USA with a totally suppressed rifle in another country

This is why I am extremely glad to have joined this forum, I had not put a second of thought into the fact that an integrally suppressed firearm might be more of an issue than a standard suppressor. I will look into it and thank you even more if my research uncovers the fact that you just saved me several thousand dollars on a rifle for Africa that I wouldn’t be able to take with me!

If legally I am able to pull it off, then yes going to use them to build a rifle for the Buffalo + PG hunt I’m in the midst of planning. Just doing it first as the waiting period for suppressors and actions is getting lengthy so I figure the sooner I pull the trigger the better LOL!

 

[Mark Biggerstaff]

This is why I am extremely glad to have joined this forum, I had not put a second of thought into the fact that an integrally suppressed firearm might be more of an issue than a standard suppressor. I will look into it and thank you even more if my research uncovers the fact that you just saved me several thousand dollars on a rifle for Africa that I wouldn’t be able to take with me!

If legally I am able to pull it off, then yes going to use them to build a rifle for the Buffalo + PG hunt I’m in the midst of planning. Just doing it first as the waiting period for suppressors and actions is getting lengthy so I figure the sooner I pull the trigger the better LOL!

Something to think about also. You could do as others have, including myself. Just get yourself a good big bore in caliber you want. Have a suppressor made over there and have your PH get it for you. They are cheap over there. You would have to leave it with your PH and trust him to keep it and send it to a different PH if you don’t hunt with him again. I am getting one to leave with PH I hunt with all the time so I don’t have to worry about Customs and transporting a suppressor back and forth.

 

[Tra3]

Something to think about also. You could do as others have, including myself. Just get yourself a good big bore in caliber you want. Have a suppressor made over there and have your PH get it for you. They are cheap over there. You would have to leave it with your PH and trust him to keep it and send it to a different PH if you don’t hunt with him again. I am getting one to leave with PH I hunt with all the time so I don’t have to worry about Customs and transporting a suppressor back and forth.

This is a good idea! May we know the cost of the suppressor over there? I think I heard they are only around $200, is that correct?

 

[BeeMaa]

This is a good idea! May we know the cost of the suppressor over there? I think I heard they are only around $200, is that correct?

This is the price I was told for a suppressor in South Africa in 2019 as I was considering one for my wife's rifle, however we chose not to.

Keep in mind if you go this route, you will need to re-zero your rifle with the ammo you are using. There will be a POI shift when mounting a suppressor because it changes the velocity and barrel harmonics. Pack at least 20 extra cartridges to get back to where you need to be.

EDIT - Impressive video of shooting a suppressed 375 rifle. I'd like to know how much it weighed and the balance point as well. I've always liked the Legendary Arms Works M704 action as well.

 

[Mark Biggerstaff]

This is a good idea! May we know the cost of the suppressor over there? I think I heard they are only around $200, is that correct?

I have been quoted $285 for a lightweight suppressor that will handle up to 375 HH. That is from Warrior Suppressors. I will be ordering one soon. It is modular so can add components depending on caliber. I will go for one up to 300 win is all. I don’t want one on my DG rifles. It takes away from the hunt for me. Also I can handle recoil well.

 

[Justin.]

This is the price I was told for a suppressor in South Africa in 2019 as I was considering one for my wife's rifle, however we chose not to.

Keep in mind if you go this route, you will need to re-zero your rifle with the ammo you are using. There will be a POI shift when mounting a suppressor because it changes the velocity and barrel harmonics. Pack at least 20 extra cartridges to get back to where you need to be.

EDIT - Impressive video of shooting a suppressed 375 rifle. I'd like to know how much it weighed and the balance point as well. I've always liked the Legendary Arms Works M704 action as well.

When I spoke to them over the phone, I was told the rifle weighed in a hair over 11 pounds and balanced at the bottom metal, but didn’t confirm if that was the recommended barrel length of 28” or a shorter cut

 

[Justin.]

I have been quoted $285 for a lightweight suppressor that will handle up to 375 HH. That is from Warrior Suppressors. I will be ordering one soon. It is modular so can add components depending on caliber. I will go for one up to 300 win is all. I don’t want one on my DG rifles. It takes away from the hunt for me. Also I can handle recoil well.

Very excited to hear how it goes! This seems like the best option if it can be pulled off!

 

[Tra3]

I have been quoted $285 for a lightweight suppressor that will handle up to 375 HH. That is from Warrior Suppressors. I will be ordering one soon. It is modular so can add components depending on caliber. I will go for one up to 300 win is all. I don’t want one on my DG rifles. It takes away from the hunt for me. Also I can handle recoil well.

If only that was the price in the USA!

@BeeMaa you are right about needing extra ammo. When I got a suppressor it shifted the POI about 5”, thankfully it was still on paper at 100, but it took about 6-8 rounds (and some barrel cooling between shot strings) to feel confident it was back on target.

 

[BeeMaa]

When I spoke to them over the phone, I was told the rifle weighed in a hair over 11 pounds and balanced at the bottom metal, but didn’t confirm if that was the recommended barrel length of 28” or a shorter cut

Keep in mind a 375H&H at 11# is a pretty easy rifle to shoot already, even when it's not suppressed or (God forbid) braked. Carrying this heavy rifle all day is the bigger issue. If you were to add a suppressor to a 375/404 rifle that you brought over, you have just made your handy DG rifle into a long barreled, unbalanced club...at least this is my opinion.

This is a video of me shooting my 375H&H that weighs 7.75# with ammo and sling. Very easy to control with proper practice and a pleasure to carry while hunting.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CCW7wCPm7XM2Tsd16

 

[Justin.]

Keep in mind a 375H&H at 11# is a pretty easy rifle to shoot already, even when it's not suppressed or (God forbid) braked. Carrying this heavy rifle all day is the bigger issue. If you were to add a suppressor to a 375/404 rifle that you brought over, you have just made your handy DG rifle into a long barreled, unbalanced club...at least this is my opinion.

This is a video of me shooting my 375H&H that weighs 7.75# with ammo and sling. Very easy to control with proper practice and a pleasure to carry while hunting.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CCW7wCPm7XM2Tsd16

You certainly make it look low recoil! Nicely done and really love that Blaser, those things are quick!

 

[Forrest Halley]

I'm curious how many folks commenting here actually have suppressors and extensive experience with them.

How about an analysis of why the change in POI?

How about a fair assessment of import and export possibilities for hunting?

Seems like a lot of background noise without a definite message.

 

[Justin.]

I'm curious how many folks commenting here actually have suppressors and extensive experience with them.

How about an analysis of why the change in POI?

How about a fair assessment of import and export possibilities for hunting?

Seems like a lot of background noise without a definite message.

I’ve asked the question on import/exporting on the Customs and Border Patrols website, and will update here as soon as I’ve got an email back!

I’ve used the search feature and dug up some older threads regarding taking suppressors internationally but didn’t see any hard evidence either way, seemed mostly anecdotal. I will say that most of the tips advised NOT trying it so it may be a case of where there’s smoke there’s fire and my dreams of a quiet safari will need to involve buying my PH a suppressor LOL!

 

[BeeMaa]

I'm curious how many folks commenting here actually have suppressors and extensive experience with them.

How about an analysis of why the change in POI?

How about a fair assessment of import and export possibilities for hunting?

Seems like a lot of background noise without a definite message.

I own 2, one for 22 rimfire and one for 7.62mm/.30 cal

I've used the 22 rimfire extensively for pest/varmint control. Had the .30 cal on a rifle for a while, but that rifle is has since left me. My next barrel for my R8 really should be a 300WM that's threaded...but we will see.

There was a significant change in POI with both suppressors. At 200 yards with the .30 cal, it moved over 6". The 22 rimfire was less so, but most likely because I don't shoot it at that distance. As for analysis...I'll leave that to the pros, but I suspect it has something to do with barrel harmonics and the big weight added to the end of the rifle.

 

[CBH Australia]

All interesting. I doubt you could bring any suppressor into Australia as a Civilian.

Would that integral system qualify, probably no but I heard that England were doing this stuff years ago but I haven't seen much on it.

I believe that New Zealand and South Africa have reasonable laws on these.

My only experience was using a PH suppressed rifle in SA.

 

[Forrest Halley]

I own 2, one for 22 rimfire and one for 7.62mm/.30 cal

I've used the 22 rimfire extensively for pest/varmint control. Had the .30 cal on a rifle for a while, but that rifle is has since left me. My next barrel for my R8 really should be a 300WM that's threaded...but we will see.

There was a significant change in POI with both suppressors. At 200 yards with the .30 cal, it moved over 6". The 22 rimfire was less so, but most likely because I don't shoot it at that distance. As for analysis...I'll leave that to the pros, but I suspect it has something to do with barrel harmonics and the big weight added to the end of the rifle.

Which way did the POI shift?

Barrel harmonics, weight deflecting the barrel in relation to the scope and mounts, increased muzzle velocity.

.22 may have had a thicker barrel profile. I'm not noticing great POI shift with my 10" 300 BLK. The barrel is very rigid and the suppressor is titanium.

 

[BeeMaa]

Which way did the POI shift?

Barrel harmonics, weight deflecting the barrel in relation to the scope and mounts, increased muzzle velocity.

.22 may have had a thicker barrel profile. I'm not noticing great POI shift with my 10" 300 BLK. The barrel is very rigid and the suppressor is titanium.

If I remember correctly, POI went up about 3x more than it went left or right. I no longer have my notes on the scope dope, but POI was much higher with the suppressor. Shifted left or right about 1.5 inches or so. Apologies on being vague, I no longer own the rifle or the scope that I had it on.

Edit - For the record, these shifts in POI were at 200 yards, not 100 yards.