Solids?

[WAB]

I've heard it mentioned, CEB's are arguably the best Solid today.

Fact. Zero doubt, the only contender is the modern North Fork Solids, notice the similarities in design.......

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What about, or what differs Woodleigh's Hydros? This quote comes from Federals site: "The task was to design a bullet that would bridge the gap between traditional expanding bullets and modern solids"

This is basically a true statement........... A Woodleigh Hydro is not a "Deep Diving" solid, like the CEB or North Fork Solids above. It is equatable and similar to a North Fork CUP POINT Solid, that does not expand......... Prior owner of North Fork, and good friend of mine John Keogler explained the North Fork CPS like this........... The Cup Point fools the medium, tissue into believing the Meplat Size is actually larger than the diameter of the bullet, which it is. The larger meplat going deeper in the Cup Point is responsible for more tissue destruction, just as a larger meplat solid would impart. The Hydro works about the same way. By causing more tissue damage than a deep diving solid, they do not penetrate as deep as the superior designed Deep Divers, but far deeper than any of your traditional premium conventional expanding bullets. So indeed, they do bridge the gap between expanding bullets, or trauma inflicting bullets and the Deep Diving Solids......... they are in between the two.

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Great explanation, thanks!

 

[Red Leg]

I have zero use for the raptor concept. I participated in a day-long search for a whitetail that we eventually found late in the afternoon. It was indeed dead, with a luncheon plate size crater on his shoulder. Yes, I realize that is an example of one, but when thousands of dollars in a trophy fee are on the line, it is comforting to know that I have never seen a Swift A Frame misbehave.

As I have noted above, I have actually used the Hydro quite a bit. Whatever its theoretical pretentions, in my hands, on game ranging from large black bear through larger plains game down to Duiker it performed exactly like any other solid. Things died, just much slower than after being hit with a quality SP. The expansion bubble may be true in theory, I will simply note that every single exit hole from a Hydro looks exactly like the entrance hole.

With a 300 gr A Frame or TSX for that matter, the only reason I might have a solid in the ammunition belt or in my rifle on a hunt that included cape buffalo would be for a member of the tiny ten.

They would, however, be a fine choice for braining an elephant.

 

[WAB]

I have zero use for the raptor concept. I participated in a day-long search for a whitetail that we eventually found late in the afternoon. It was indeed dead, with a luncheon plate size crater on his shoulder. Yes, I realize that is an example of one, but when thousands of dollars in a trophy fee are on the line, it is comforting to know that I have never seen a Swift A Frame misbehave.

As I have noted above, I have actually used the Hydro quite a bit. Whatever its theoretical pretentions, in my hands, on game ranging from large black bear through larger plains game down to Duiker it performed exactly like any other solid. Things died, just much slower than after being hit with a quality SP. The expansion bubble may be true in theory, I will simply note that every single exit hole from a Hydro looks exactly like the entrance hole.

With a 300 gr A Frame or TSX for that matter, the only reason I might have a solid in the ammunition belt or in my rifle on a hunt that included cape buffalo would be for a member of the tiny ten.

They would, however, be a fine choice for braining an elephant.

Actually makes one think of the saying “solving for a problem that doesn’t exist”. I too am totally sold on swift A Frames. What is interesting to me is that I get pretty decent expansion on coyotes and bobcats with A-Frames. (I just can’t lay off them when they wander by a deer blind). Swift seems to have created a bullet with a very large performance envelope.

 

[RR 314]

I have zero use for the raptor concept. I participated in a day-long search for a whitetail that we eventually found late in the afternoon. It was indeed dead, with a luncheon plate size crater on his shoulder. Yes, I realize that is an example of one, but when thousands of dollars in a trophy fee are on the line, it is comforting to know that I have never seen a Swift A Frame misbehave.

As I have noted above, I have actually used the Hydro quite a bit. Whatever its theoretical pretentions, in my hands, on game ranging from large black bear through larger plains game down to Duiker it performed exactly like any other solid. Things died, just much slower than after being hit with a quality SP. The expansion bubble may be true in theory, I will simply note that every single exit hole from a Hydro looks exactly like the entrance hole.

With a 300 gr A Frame or TSX for that matter, the only reason I might have a solid in the ammunition belt or in my rifle on a hunt that included cape buffalo would be for a member of the tiny ten.

They would, however, be a fine choice for braining an elephant.

Curious as to what projectile was used. I would not be surprised if the bullet performed as intended (i.e. varmint round). I love the accubond as our go to projectile for anything in the states, but largely go with A-frames in Africa as well. I did buy a bunch of raptors in .550; however, have not tried them out on flesh.

 

[Philip Glass]

I've heard it mentioned, CEB's are arguably the best Solid today.
What about, or what differs Woodleigh's Hydros? This quote comes from Federals site: "The task was to design a bullet that would bridge the gap between traditional expanding bullets and modern solids"

If anyone care to elaborate on that quote, .. I'd be gracious.
Thank You.

I am not sure there is much difference in solids. @TOBY458 and I were discussing this around the bar in Zim. He was telling me about some of the differences.
Solids are only for elephant and the Tinies so your expanding bullets are the most important to get right.

 

[Daniel Cary]

Greatly explained. Thank you.
I had to look at the factory ammo here. Some came with a firearm, Nosler's 1/2 off sale, etc .. it was something to work with.
Short of 458's Partitions, Some Weldcore's & Jeffery's RN/SP
Everything is FMJ or Nosler's Brass Solids. (Never tried these)

Nosler, Norma, Hornady, Double Tap, Kynoch, Hendershots, Superior

 

[michael458]

I am not sure there is much difference in solids.

An uneducated statement..............There is a hell of a big difference in Solids..........

 

[IvW]

An uneducated statement..............There is a hell of a big difference in Solids..........

Correct there is a huge differance in solids and more so in their terminal performance.....

 

[IvW]

Traditional fmj in my opinion is only good for the small ones.....irrespective of how many dg they have killed because nothing else was availible....

Modern solids, brass in particular, with the right nose shape is far superior for the heavies....so far in fact that I cannot see the comparison...