So Bye-Bye Miss American Pie

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Since some have derailed the thread I’ll just be brutal on the fact that Canadian whiskey is garbage! As in pure plastic bottle swill!!!
Anyone who has attended the World Whiskey Awards would gag and throw up a little if asked if that garbage could even be entered along side our best bourbon’s or Rye’s!
Aaaand anyone putting down Jack Daniel’s has obviously not tried the Coy Hill, 12yr, or 10ry let alone the Sinatra or Gold label? Hell good old Jack #7 is better than anything that Canada has to offer
Sorry! You hijacked so I had to tell it straight…

Jack danials is so wonderful the county it’s made in made itself dry so as to have an excuse when people offered them a drink of it

Welcome to Moore county Tennessee home of jack danials we don’t drink here… should tell you all you need to know.

 

[CZDiesel]

Jack danials is so wonderful the county it’s made in made itself dry so as to have an excuse when people offered them a drink of it

Welcome to Moore county Tennessee home of jack danials we don’t drink here… should tell you all you need to know.

That’s just silly and you know it lol But if you want to offer something about the sad state of hunting in the US then knock yourself out!

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

That’s just silly and you know it lol But if you want to offer something about the sad state of hunting in the US then knock yourself out!

Unfortunately I’ve never had the opportunity to hunt the states so I’m unable to offer much of an opinion. I will say your points system is very difficult to navigate from an outsider’s perspective. Our moose tags here are lottery but there is no preference system other than if you are successfully drawn you at ineligible for the following four years.

 

[skydiver386]

 

[CoElkHunter]

OK, so if you could find a nice piece of private property to hunt on for a reasonable price without having Elon Musk's income, congrats. But since you won't find any, what brand whiskey, bourbon, rye, etc., would you bring along to ease the pain in the evening after hunting on public land all day with ten thousand other hunters and not seeing anything to shoot? See, thread resurrected. LOL

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Are all western tags drawn or do outfitters that own land get issued tags they can sell?

 

[CoElkHunter]

Are all western tags drawn or do outfitters that own land get issued tags they can sell?

Both, depending on the state. Colorado still offers over the counter bull elk tags for the 2nd and 3rd rifle seasons on public land. You can buy a deer license too through the draw for those two seasons. 1st season is through the drawing and elk only. But any state in the West allows you to hunt on public land after obtaining an elk or deer license through the drawing process.

 

[BGGMKLR]

Are all western tags drawn or do outfitters that own land get issued tags they can sell?

Landowner tags are available in several western States...but they're pretty spendy.
A good amigo of mine who ranches in northern Nevada received 3-4 tags per year for a number of years.
The same guy bought them all...every year...5 k each...and that was about 15-20 years ago..
Spike

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Both, depending on the state. Colorado still offers over the counter bull elk tags for the 2nd and 3rd rifle seasons on public land. You can buy a deer license too through the draw for those two seasons. 1st season is through the drawing and elk only. But any state in the West allows you to hunt on public land after obtaining an elk or deer license through the drawing process.

Would that be open to non residents or just to residents?

 

[CoElkHunter]

Would that be open to non residents or just to residents?

Both.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Both.

Would that be mule deer or white tails? I know there habitats overlap but I don’t know exactly where the boundary of the mule deer range is.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Would that be mule deer or white tails? I know there habitats overlap but I don’t know exactly where the boundary of the mule deer range is.

Mule deer.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Mule deer.

That would be even better an overlapping season for two species, realistically what is the success rate on public land in the over the counter seasons? Especially if someone was not overly fussy on the size of trophies ?

 

[BGGMKLR]

That would be even better an overlapping season for two species, realistically what is the success rate on public land in the over the counter seasons? Especially if someone was not overly fussy on the size of trophies ?

There is no "one size fits all" answer. Success varies by zone. The success rate for each zone stats are readily available through the wildlife departments in each State.
In my experience you will find Mulie/Whitey overlaps pretty clearly in both Montana and Idaho.
Without access to private ground, you'll have a LOT of company in both. A LOT.
As in most all hunting these days...pay the price...or have a nice well- armed nature hike...and pretend that you're hunting.
Sad
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Spike

 

[CZDiesel]

OK, so if you could find a nice piece of private property to hunt on for a reasonable price without having Elon Musk's income, congrats. But since you won't find any, what brand whiskey, bourbon, rye, etc., would you bring along to ease the pain in the evening after hunting on public land all day with ten thousand other hunters and not seeing anything to shoot? See, thread resurrected. LOL

Probably the same as I am tonight. Charlie who you met is fighting for his life at the Tutt Emergency Hospital by your house. It’s going to be a long night

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

There is no "one size fits all" answer. Success varies by zone. The success rate for each zone stats are readily available through the wildlife departments in each State.
In my experience you will find Mulie/Whitey overlaps pretty clearly in both Montana and Idaho.
Without access to private ground, you'll have a LOT of company in both. A LOT.
As in most all hunting these days...pay the price...or have a nice well- armed nature hike...and pretend that you're hunting.
Sad
Best
Spike

I should of clarified when I mentioned overlap I was referring to mule deer and elk as mentioned in a previous post.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Probably the same as I am tonight. Charlie who you met is fighting for his life at the Tutt Emergency Hospital by your house. It’s going to be a long night

Sorry to hear that hopefully your friend pulls through.

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

I've been hunting CO and a few other nearby states for a long time and I think one of the big things that changed everything was the advent of publications/scouting publication services like the Huntin Fool. When that thing came along, it was as if anyone and everyone could hunt other states and know exactly where to go and what to expect for trophy size, etc. This changed all the bonus point and preference point systems and point creep started. Then it became increasingly difficult to draw tags that used to come around every once in a while without any point systems in place for tags. People started paying to play and now it's completely out of hand.

A month ago, I booked a caribou hunt in the NWT for myself and my son. We couldn't get anything sooner than 2028 and the price wasn't even locked in because they don't know how much the hunts will be worth by then. But, it'll be somewhere north of $26k each. I did a moose and caribou hunt in 1989 for $5500 in the Rogue River country of the Yukon. Combo hunts there now are $50k+

Times change and prices do too but I'd have a hard time as a parent now introducing my kids to hunting. It's simply out of control for most people now. Sure, you can go whack does or cow elk for less money but who wants to do that for very long? Good antelope hunts in NM are now $8k. Elk hunts if you draw a good tag are $10k+. Who can afford things like this for themselves, much less a passel of kids. It's sad to see it going this way.

Who'd you book with in 2028 and what dates? I'm also booked for a NWT Hunt for 2028. Feel free to send a PM if you want

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

Kind of makes me hope it dies over the winter.

Why would you hope that animal dies over the winter?

I don't have anywhere near enough money to buy any sort of Governor's or Statewide tag at a raffle but I do see the benefit to them.

That one New Mexico Sheep tag at $1.3 Mil and it's buyer just did more for conservation, specifically sheep habitat & conservation than you and I, plus most everyone else on this site combined ever will in our lifetimes.
I completely understand people being disgusted by the rich being able to buy something like this, that the rest of us "average" citizens can't afford. I get some people thinking that this tag should be available to everyone, BUT adding this 1 additional tag into the lottery increases everyone's odds by how much? It makes how many additional people apply and brings in how much additional revenue for sheep habitat and research compared to the single auction tag?

There's no perfect system but by having 1 or 2 tags up for auction as a fund raising tool for conservation it increases and adds value to those animals and the habitat they live on. Conversely if we start reducing draw numbers and adding additional raffle tags it lessens the maximum potential dollar value.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Probably the same as I am tonight. Charlie who you met is fighting for his life at the Tutt Emergency Hospital by your house. It’s going to be a long night

Oh, I’m so very sorry to hear this. I sincerely hope he pulls through. He is a very nice man.