Scope Requirements

[Ray B]

What are everyone's thoughts about old K-4 Weaver scopes built in El Paso Texas?

After this post I expect I'll have to duck to keep my head from being beat in, so go ahead I have broad shoulders.

Quite the contrary, I love the older scopes, primarily because they are of less fragile basic design. There are three ways to move the reticle into alignment with the path of the bullet. The reticle can be fixed and the scope moved in its entirety- such as the externally adjustable Unertl, B&L, Leupold Pioneer scopes; 2. the reticle can be moved within a fixed optic. these are scopes that when the dial is turned the image remains fixed and the reticle moves up and down and side to side; then there's 3, the image moves and while the reticle remains centered in the image, the image moves as the dials are turned. From 1 to 3, the internal workings are increasingly more exposed to such things as acceleration and deceleration. While a "non-adjustable" #1 scope could be mounted on virtually any rifle and suffer no problems, a #3 scope is in need of continued research and development to convince the buyers that the product is worth the money. Just look at the advertisements over the last few years regarding the Swarovski scopes the Z3 to Z6 scopes show a continuing effort to improve their ability to absorb recoil. If the 3s were able to hold up to the recoil, why did the company have to spend all the money on R&D and now advertise how great their multiple springs (not present in previous models)are at absorbing the recoil?

I admit the coatings on the lenses are better than the older scopes, and some have lighted aiming points, but how safe is it to shoot after dark or into shadows so deep that you need a lighted reticle to see where your crosshair is? when the chips are sown, I'll prefer an externally adjustable scope, or a reticle moving scope, Too bad the companies have bought their own advertising as to what makes a good scope.

 

[Shootist43]

Ray B, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!

 

[Dr Ray]

Me too!

 

[bruce moulds]

older variables used to be of a ratio 3:1.
there are now 5:1, 6:1, and even 8:1 ratio variables.
but i cannot find one with 4" eye relief, or eye relief that does not change with magnification.
does anyone know of such a thing?
bruce.

 

[IvW]

older variables used to be of a ratio 3:1.
there are now 5:1, 6:1, and even 8:1 ratio variables.
but i cannot find one with 4" eye relief, or eye relief that does not change with magnification.
does anyone know of such a thing?
bruce.

http://www.lynx.co.za/index.php/catalog/riflescopes/lynx-lx2-1-6x24-g4i/

More than 4" eye relief and the change at full magnification makes no practical differance.

 

[bruce moulds]

thank you. i had not thought of that brand.
if it don't hit you in the head you sure will shoot better.
good range of magnifications.
no gimmics thank the lord.
do we know how they like recoil and rough handling?
actually the eye relief change is very little compared to the high end scopes.
bruce.

 

[IvW]

thank you. i had not thought of that brand.
if it don't hit you in the head you sure will shoot better.
good range of magnifications.
no gimmics thank the lord.
do we know how they like recoil and rough handling?
actually the eye relief change is very little compared to the high end scopes.
bruce.

Tested on a 450 Rigby no issues. I have used them for a long time. This is actually a hi end scope, made in Japan and as far I understand comes out of the night force factory.

Client dropped my one rifle with the scope hitting a rock, the class had a chip from the dent, still shot straight, Lynx repaired it free of charge, great service.

Also use one on my 338 Lapua Magnum(the 5-30x56) no issues. The 1/4 MOA settings are also spot on.

Rugged good quality at an affordable price.

 

[leslie hetrick]

take a look at a leupold 2.5x8-36, I have three and they all have held up thru several years and many hunting trips with no problems at all, just select the right retical for the animals and terrain you are going to hunt.

 

[Dwight Beagle]

I’m a big fan of the VX-3 1.75-6x32. I wish Leupold wouldn’t have discontinued it.

 

[Shootist43]

IvW I looked into buying your recommend Lynx some time ago. The attributes of that scope is just what I was looking for at the time. Unfortunately they are not available in the States. As a result I settled for a Nikon Monarch 3 African 1-4 with a German #4 Reticle. So far I've used it on a 416 Rigby and a 404 Jeffery.

 

[IvW]

IvW I looked into buying your recommend Lynx some time ago. The attributes of that scope is just what I was looking for at the time. Unfortunately they are not available in the States. As a result I settled for a Nikon Monarch 3 African 1-4 with a German #4 Reticle. So far I've used it on a 416 Rigby and a 404 Jeffery.

Nothing wrong with a Nikon Monarch, great scope. The lynx service here and features are perfect for me.

 

[2L8]

I debated erasing my post because of the way it might be taken. When I went to do it, it was too late. My apology for coming across with a superior attitude if it was taken as such. I truly did not mean to.

I enjoyed it. I like learning. Im a voracious reader as well but often read things below that level. Let's be honest even words that are common in print like serendipity I seldom hear spoken.

 

[2L8]

IvW I looked into buying your recommend Lynx some time ago. The attributes of that scope is just what I was looking for at the time. Unfortunately they are not available in the States. As a result I settled for a Nikon Monarch 3 African 1-4 with a German #4 Reticle. So far I've used it on a 416 Rigby and a 404 Jeffery.

Is it possible to buy it overseas and have it shipped? I know I have done that with car parts from Britain and Germany.

 

[Ray B]

While there are several words that have virtually the same meaning, there are subtle differences in them. Sometimes it's just a matter of origin- Whether you perspire or sweat is a matter of what language the word was transferred from to English. Other words can denote differences- Eskimos have something like 25 different words to describe slight variations of snow/ice. So it's good to remember that EVERY word in every language was developed in response to a need for a word to describe something for which there was no existing word. So to say most hunting was done at twilight, or dusk or for animals that are of a crepuscular nature may initially sound as if the author is saying virtually the same thing, but a close examination shows that there are precise differences between all words and the more precision involved, the better the communication, and particularly when the message is transferred 100% by typed text with no non-verbals to assist the reader in interpretation, precision of word choice is of utmost importance.

 

[Ray B]

Is it possible to buy it overseas and have it shipped? I know I have done that with car parts from Britain and Germany.

Ordinarily I'd think such a transaction would be possible, but we are not dealing with rational politicians. I have some fifty year old Bausch & Lomb mounts for their old externally adjustable scopes and a fellow in Australia was seeking such items. I offered to send them to him. He declined the offer. It seems the legislature in Australia has banned the private (unlicensed) importation of any gun parts, which includes such things as mounts for scopes. Any more, it's easy to tell a liberal, but you certainly can't tell a liberal anything.

good luck on finding a suitable scope and hopefully dealing with whatever bureaucracy is involved in getting it to you.

 

[BeeMaa]

I debated erasing my post because of the way it might be taken. When I went to do it, it was too late. My apology for coming across with a superior attitude if it was taken as such. I truly did not mean to.

Dwight - my skin is much thicker than that and it wasn't taken in a "superior attitude" kind of way.
I was just messing around, but I am a big fan of Dr Seuss and his books.
In all honesty, I've learned a lot from this site and its members, and I hope to continue to do so.
So bring on those big words and I will keep looking them up.

Cheers

 

[Dwight Beagle]

Cool beans.

 

[steve white]

One sure way to have a bullet-proof system is to limit the number of rifles you have so you can afford to outfit with more expensive scopes. It never fails to amaze me how many people I know have a zillion guns all outfitted cheaply. Yet they claim they "can't afford" the good stuff!! Or they act like I am a spendthrift for having a Zeiss FL scope, when I have about half their inventory...of course I think all my bases are covered up to Cape buffalo, of which I have 3 on the wall.

 

[bruce moulds]

the lynx scope mentioned above looks like very good value.
it does not seem to be available here in oz, but a similar one with a smaller magnification range does.
while 1 - 6 would be an optimum range, 1 - 4 would probably still be o.k.
i have 2 leupold 2.5 - 8 and am most happy with them BUT, on 8 power they lose a bit too much eye relief for rifles that kick.
bruce.

 

[IvW]

the lynx scope mentioned above looks like very good value.
it does not seem to be available here in oz, but a similar one with a smaller magnification range does.
while 1 - 6 would be an optimum range, 1 - 4 would probably still be o.k.
i have 2 leupold 2.5 - 8 and am most happy with them BUT, on 8 power they lose a bit too much eye relief for rifles that kick.
bruce.

Donkeys kick, rifles recoil....