Safari Vehicles in America

There are lots of old left hand drive Land Rover defenders and series vehicles in Germany, but they are getting crazy expensive for a 25-40 year old truck with 300,000 plus KM on them. Most are in excesss of 25,000 euros no matter what they look like.
 
What do you legimatly consider to be an African safari vehicle in America?

Here is my list.

Toyota Landcruisers pickups, wagons and troop carriers
1. FJ 40 series
2. FY 70 series
I have seen FJ 100 and FJ 200 Landcruiser wagons in Africa and Asia. Not really an African safari vehicle.
3. Hi-Lux. To me this is kind of a BS vehicle. It exist all over the world. It is actually a couple of inches shorter and narrower than a Tacoma. They share a similar look, but not the same parts. People talk about Hi-Lux like they are the best truck in the world. I don't agree anymore than I think the Tacoma is. Both are fine, but in my mind they don't have the same look. They Hi-Lux was the cool truck to have before you could get a FJ-79.

Land Rover
4. Defenders, wagons and pickups
5. Series Vehicles (for those that don't know, before the defenders were the split windshield series vehicles. They were numbers 1, 2, 2A and 3. There were also some cab-over front drive van models.

Ones I am unsure of.
Nissan Patrol wagons in Africa, but I believe the pickups were imported a long time ago. The modern single cab Nissan Patrol doesn't appear to be imported or manufactured in Africa. They are huge in Australia. Like the Toyota Landcruiser FJ100/200 they aren't really safari vehicles.

Fake American safari vehicles: these are similar form factors to Land Rover Defender and series pickups and wagons.
Ineos Grenadier and Quartermaster
Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator
 
For Landcruisers.
FJ76 modern square wagon
FJ78 troop carrier
FJ9 crew cab or single cab pickup
FJ60, FJ80, FJ100, FJ200, FJ300 are more expensive style type style wagon. Capable off-road vehicle, just not the kind of car you see on Safaris. More like a Range Rover or a Discovery.

FJ Cruisers were sold in South Africa. Again not really a vehicle I have seen as a hunting car. Hell I rarely see them in America as hunting cars.
 
Back in the day (late 60'-late 70's) spent alot of time and $$$ building CJ5's, early bronco's and landcruisers into rock crawlers for colorado mountains and Moab Utah. Wish I had pictures of them.

If I was going to build a last forever safari/hunting truck I would start with a extended cab toyota 83-2000 truck and a custom frame BT4 Cummings diesel with heavy duty running gear, six speed manual and transfer case so it would handle like a modern truck and last till my grand sons wore it out in 40-50 years. The problem is once I priced the build., reality hit. so I will stick with my 2008 F350, V10 six speed manual.
 
I will tell you I actually investigated what it would take to ship a 25 year old Land Rover Series 1 to Us. First, good news is no required anything for US modification unlike less than 25 years good luck with all the emission requirements. The cost including all paperwork into Atlanta port of entry $6,000 which is not that bad when you consider the cost of shipping taxidermy!!! Of course taxi cost shipped air, land rover ship ocean
 
Real world experience: 1998 Land Rover Defender 90, Station Wagon (that part is important). Purchased outside of London (Surrey, if you must know, but no fringe was involved) late December, 2019 for 10,000 pounds sterling. Drove in Germany until I hit the "25 year point" (August 2023). 25 years is based on the manufacture date. Heritage certificate is helpful, but date of first registration is incontrovertible.

Shipped from Southampton to Baltimore for 3000 pounds. I think that converted to around $3600, it wasn't much more than that.

Important point: Because it was listed as a "station wagon", and because it had seats in the back, it was imported as a CAR, with a 2.5% duty (of the purchase price of 10,000 pounds. Missing seats would have caused some consternation, pickup truck version would have absolutely been an issue, and would have bumped the import fees to 25%. Also, emissions is not the critical point in the 25 year piece, "Meets DOT Safety regs" is the critical part. That includes air bags, ABS, back up cameras, whatever was required the year it was built. Nobody cares about what side the steering wheel is on, but I have gotten a lot of looks. The NHSTA has a "good list" of vehicles that are pre-approved. No Land Rovers are on this list. The Porsche list is pretty entertaining though.

So then it was a drive from Baltimore to Idaho with a side trip to Maine (long story). Registration in Idaho included sales tax on the value declared to Customs. Parts readily available, if Rovers North doesn't have it, they will get it from the UK. All in cost was less than $20,000, but they are more expensive now. The really good news is we're up to the 2000 model year, so Td5s are now safe. I actually like my 300 tdi, because the only thing close to digital on that is the EGR system, and that's coming off when I get around to it. It's completely analog, so I'm not too worried about surviving an EMP attack.
 
Real world experience: 1998 Land Rover Defender 90, Station Wagon (that part is important). Purchased outside of London (Surrey, if you must know, but no fringe was involved) late December, 2019 for 10,000 pounds sterling. Drove in Germany until I hit the "25 year point" (August 2023). 25 years is based on the manufacture date. Heritage certificate is helpful, but date of first registration is incontrovertible.

Shipped from Southampton to Baltimore for 3000 pounds. I think that converted to around $3600, it wasn't much more than that.

Important point: Because it was listed as a "station wagon", and because it had seats in the back, it was imported as a CAR, with a 2.5% duty (of the purchase price of 10,000 pounds. Missing seats would have caused some consternation, pickup truck version would have absolutely been an issue, and would have bumped the import fees to 25%. Also, emissions is not the critical point in the 25 year piece, "Meets DOT Safety regs" is the critical part. That includes air bags, ABS, back up cameras, whatever was required the year it was built. Nobody cares about what side the steering wheel is on, but I have gotten a lot of looks. The NHSTA has a "good list" of vehicles that are pre-approved. No Land Rovers are on this list. The Porsche list is pretty entertaining though.

So then it was a drive from Baltimore to Idaho with a side trip to Maine (long story). Registration in Idaho included sales tax on the value declared to Customs. Parts readily available, if Rovers North doesn't have it, they will get it from the UK. All in cost was less than $20,000, but they are more expensive now. The really good news is we're up to the 2000 model year, so Td5s are now safe. I actually like my 300 tdi, because the only thing close to digital on that is the EGR system, and that's coming off when I get around to it. It's completely analog, so I'm not too worried about surviving an EMP attack.
The only 25 year old land rovers defender or series vehicles here I Europe that you can get for a song are not actually land rovers but Santanas. These are 109 Series 3 built on licenses by Santana of Spain.

Most of the rest of this stuff here is crazy expensive. I was on Pulaski Kaserne on Friday and there was a 110 in the export lot headed to the states. Being military they wouldn't pay taxes on the import of it. There are a couple of other 110 and 130's around Kaiseslautern, being driven by Americans. I have yet to find one that wasn't trashed for less than $30,000 that is old enough to import.

Then you have to live with it, I have been driving modern Japanese and America 4x4's since I was in high school. A defender is shit box to live with on the highway every day.



This troopy would be rough on the family, but it's a nice for cheap. Probably still wrecked.

 
The only 25 year old land rovers defender or series vehicles here I Europe that you can get for a song are not actually land rovers but Santanas. These are 109 Series 3 built on licenses by Santana of Spain.

Most of the rest of this stuff here is crazy expensive. I was on Pulaski Kaserne on Friday and there was a 110 in the export lot headed to the states. Being military they wouldn't pay taxes on the import of it. There are a couple of other 110 and 130's around Kaiseslautern, being driven by Americans. I have yet to find one that wasn't trashed for less than $30,000 that is old enough to import.

Then you have to live with it, I have been driving modern Japanese and America 4x4's since I was in high school. A defender is shit box to live with on the highway every day.



This troopy would be rough on the family, but it's a nice for cheap. Probably still wrecked.

They are out there, but you probably won't find one on Autoscout. I wanted a right hand drive model, which is why I went to the UK. Of course, the Germans do not go off road unless they are using it as a farm vehicle, they do not have the proud British tradition of Greenlaning.

I spent ten years of my life doing military things in Germany. You may get a pass on the duty (there are a couple of things that Customs likes to play with) and shipping is only covered for one car. One important point, no matter what, it has to be the original chassis (frame). Too many people have been moving VINs from older to newer, just to jump the 25 year thing.

Walton Motors still has a bunch. Here are a couple:




There are a bunch of others that are within 3 or so years of 25, and a couple that are LHD. Walton has a lot of experience with exports, and if you tell them what you are looking for, they will find it.
 
Oh, I forgot one thing: If the final destination is California, all bets are off.
 
Oh, I forgot one thing: If the final destination is California, all bets are off.
I don't actually know where I am moving to when we are done in Germany. Odds are high it will be El Paso, TX/Las Cruces, NM area.

Maybe some place else.
 
Just opening up a thread to a.) Show what we did, and B.) to hear what you might have done. I know there's a lot of nice safari/hunter style vehicles out there, but very few in America. I'd love to see Rovers, Yotas, and anything else that you might be driving.

It all started with my fascination regarding the reliability of the African Land Cruiser Pickup. Those vehicles were never sold in the USA and fully tricked out they are a fortune, $80k-$100k new. Of course you can't import a new one, but I think you can bring in a 25 year old one which would be bastardized into a 4 door cab at best case since they didn't make them like that in the 1900s.

What I realized is the CLOSEST thing we have in America to Africa is the Toyota FJ Cruiser that was sold here from 2007 to 2014. (worldwide production ended in 2023) These things are bulletproof and have a slang name of "jeep recovery vehicles". They really can do things typically associated with Jeeps, but they can do it without having to drop $100k into a whole new drive train thanks to their bulletproof engine and gearbox.

So we set about getting a few FJs, perfect for places that require daily 4wd. This is when we learned about their legendary 500,000 mile reliability, that they have the highest resale price in America of any car, and that their frames rust out so you have to be mighty selective.

Our two FJs are daily drivers: a 2014 last model year, all options, highest HP engine, loaded vehicle with 60,000 miles. (it's in Sandstorm, roughly the same tan as the Toyotas in Africa. Our second is a rare bird, a 2008 Trail Teams Edition (classic white like many of the landcruisers) with 125,000 miles on it. We've done some restoration on these vehicles, particularly getting the frames absolutely perfect and doing custom interiors, updated infotainment, backup cameras, bluetooth, apple carplay, etc.

What we love about them is what I loved about the African bakkies, they are so ridiculously simple. Every knob is simple. Every part is easy to install. Every service activity is something I can teach a kid to do themselves.

The best part is sort of the worst part, cost. A good one sells today for more than its original MSRP 15 years ago. The good news is that those kept in good condition are free to own as your depreciation from use rarely outpaces appreciation of their value.

What are you all driving? FJ40s? Range Rovers? Land Rovers? 4runners? Old Landcruiser SUVs?
To have a crew cab Toyota pickup that they sell in Africa would be my holy grail. As a 80 series owner since new, I hate electric windows,
Locks and seats. To have one of those especially a diesel would be the end all be all to me. Plus it would never need to go to the shop.
 

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