Replacing binoculars

I have the same Zeiss binocs (2pairs) like yours. Through the years I have acquired quality Leica and Swarovski. I still go back to my Zeiss 10x40 black rubber armor. I bought my first pair in the late 70s and they have been serviced once. I bought the second pair in early 90s and just put them away. Those are the ones I use today. Possibly you might find a NOS or a like new pair. I personally do not see any better with either the Swaro or Leica. I have had mechanical problems with both, eye cups. My wife pair of Swaro 8x30s are broke now same problem.
 
I got by with a pair of 10x42 SLC’s for a couple years before I purchased a set of 15x56’s. I also added a Swaro spotter and 8x32’s to the mix. I had an opportunity on a bear hunt in Montana to have Swaro, Leica, Zeiss and Leupold spotting scopes in a line, looking into the same dark timber. It was consensus that the Leica spotting scope edged the others out just before dark. I love my Swaro but at that time the Leica in the same configuration extended viewing just a bit.
@WAB Fine deer sir!
 
Today I ordered a pair of the new Swaro 15 X 56 with tripod adaptor and another pair of (used but clean) rubber armored Zeiss 10 X 40 B glasses. I think that I need both.

With my luck my old Zeiss glasses will turn up in some unexpected place that I have not looked.
 
Take a good look at Steiner, the 10x42 are very good, I also have a couple of smaller ones.
 
Swarovski SLC 15x56 on a tripod is the gold standard for Coues. Then carry a pair of 8s or 10s for getting closer or for elk in the timber. You made a wise choice.

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Today I ordered ... another pair of (used but clean) rubber armored Zeiss 10 X 40 B glasses. I think that I need both. With my luck my old Zeiss glasses will turn up in some unexpected place that I have not looked.

You will not regret it :)

I had almost the same thing happen to me, although just a bit different. I once landed in the early 2000's in Prince Georges, British Columbia for a Grizzly & Moose hunt with ... what I was wearing. Both rifle and luggage did not make it.

I bought clothes and a barely used pair of Zeiss 10x40 BGA in town and on we went with rifle and boots loaned by the outfitter. Luckily we were both size 10... Like Lon (Tokoloshe Safaris) I loved my Zeiss 10x40 BGA bought in the early eighties so much that I figured that a spare one would not be a bad thing.

... I bought my first pair in the late 70s and they have been serviced once. I bought the second pair in early 90s and just put them away. Those are the ones I use today ...

One of the two Zeiss 10x40 BGA now resides permanently in my truck, and I use it constantly (I live in rural Arizona).

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On to the next post for a few thoughts about binocs prompted by the thread...
 
A few thoughts about binocular choices...

Having been raised a Chamois hunter in the French Alps, I would as soon go hunting without a rifle as I would without binoculars...

When I was finally able to buy a proper pair of binoculars in the early eighties, the Zeiss 10x40 Dialyt B/GA T* already had a cult-like following among Alpine hunters. I did not even consider anything else. Besides, in those days Leica did not make binoculars, and Swarovski where light years behind in sport optics. To this day, I consider the Zeiss 10x40 BGA THE best binocular compromise (power / size / weight / optical quality / ruggedness).

I do not speak lightly, because I have since experimented...

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Top, from the left: Leica Geovid 10x42 HD - B 3000; Vortex Vulture HD 15x56; Leica Trinovid HD 8x32; Steiner 20x80. Bottom, from the left: Zeiss 10x40 BG/A T*; Zeiss foldable compact 10x25 B; Swarovski SLC 8x30.

Magnification & objectives diameter...

For overall use, 10x40/42 is the best compromise. I am tempted to add: period!

... this here is what separates the men from the boys in optics hunting, coues deer hunting is an optics game,

I agree with Bullthrower338 that unlimited open plains (or mountains) can require more magnification, and I agree that for THIS specific use (small critters like Coues Deer at very long glassing range) 15x is probably the best compromise, but this is already very specialized hunting.

Of course, in such bright light even Coke bottle bottom lenses will collect plenty of light, so you will not sort men from boys in that regard, but there will be tremendous differences in image clarity and - most critically - in sharpness and details resolution, between top glass and the rest.

15x56 (I have a pair of 15x56 Vortex HD) or even 20x80 (I have an older pair of 20x80 Steiner) are just too bulky and too heavy to carry around your neck all day on a stalking hunt for Mule Deer, Elk, or Kudu, never mind Mountain Goat, Chamois or Vaal Rhebok. Besides, they can only be used supported. Some creative positions work very well in the Alps, but not everywhere :E Rofl:

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If the mountain is steep enough to do this, you can use 20x80 off hands, resting on your face, to determine if a Chamois (French) / Gams (German) is Class II or Class III. Your tag is likely valid for only one class, and you do not want to do the 3-hour climb without knowing...

Which brand (includes glass quality, mechanical construction, etc.)

I agree with BeeMaa.

Stick with the big 3 of Leica, Swaro or Zeiss and you will not be disappointed.

We all have our brand loyalties, but, factually, there is little to choose from, all three are outstanding:

Swarovski EL 10x42 - 90% light transmission - $2,443

Leica Noctivid 10x42 - 91% light transmission - $2,849

ZEISS Victory SF 10x42 - 92% light transmission - $2,700

Will you distinguish 92% light transmission from 91% or 90% in full sunlight? The plain answer is "no". Only lab instruments can. Will 2% make a difference in the first 15 minutes of light at dawn, and the last 15 minutes of light at dusk? I doubt it... (see here under about 10% difference).

I agree with Tanks that the shows are great places to compare size, weight, ergonomics, etc.
I need a new pair as well. Waiting for DSC/SCI shows this year to compare Leicas and Swarowskis.
but obviously any binocular will have great light transmission in a brightly lit convention hall...

Note that Swarovski also offers the NL 10x42 - 91% light transmission - $3,366, but is it worth to spend an additional $923 to gain 1% light transmission over the EL 10x42? Each can answer for their own...

I hate to say, and this is not bashing, but, factually, anything else, whether American, European or Asian, and including Leupold, Minox, Vortex, Nikon, etc. is inferior to the Big 3: Zeiss, Swarovski and Leica top lines. This is a fact.

However..............

Do you need 90% light transmission to glass game effectively? Heck no! The Zeiss 10x40 BG/A T* introduced in 1979 that many of us still like so much transmit 80% light, and yes, I can see a difference if I go back & forth between them and the 2020 Leica 10x42 HD, but I pain to make the difference.

For info, this difference does come a little bit from the glass composition and the polishing of the lenses, but where progress has happened by leaps and bounds is in the composition and vapor deposition of the coatings...

This further comforts me in not caring much about 1% or 2% more or less light transmission between the Big 3, if I can barely see a 10% difference...


Obviously, whatever is not waterproof and guaranteed "forever" nowadays, you might as well not consider, although, honestly, a life guarantee and exchange for new when you get back home is not much use on the moment if your optics fail in the African field, as some Vortex owners will tell you...

As for my own choices...

After more than 40 satisfied years with the Zeiss 10x40 BG/A T* I bought last year a Leica Geovid 10x42 HD - B 3000.
  • Are they great? Heck yes!
  • Are they brighter, clearer, sharper? Objectively, yes. Meaningfully? Well... I am not sure...
  • Why did I buy them? I wanted the integrated laser range finder with Equivalent Horizontal Distance (EHR) accounting for altitude and shot angle.
  • Would I buy them again? I am not sure. If I had realized that the Leica Geovid 10x42 HD - B 3000 are about the same size (see picture above) and are closer in weight (37 oz.) to the Swarovski 15x56 (42 oz.) than to the Zeiss 10x40 (26 oz.), I would probably have hesitated long and hard...
Let me give you a hint: for my own hunts I only ever used the Zeiss 10x40 BGA for everything, everywhere for 40+ years (when guiding friends in the French Alps I used the Steiner 20x80 to insure that I would not mislead them in shooting the wrong animal). I have used the Geovid 10x42 on my recent elephant hunt (not for the rangefinder ability obviously, but for the low light capabilities), and my first move coming back home was to buy a pair of Leica Trinovid HD 8x32, because the Swarovski SLC 8x30 my wife used were so much more adapted. In truth, I should use the Zeiss 10x40 BGA for DG, but Trinovid buying madness was on me... and objectively they are smaller and a bit lighter (23 oz.).

I bought on Black Friday sale the Vortex HD 15x56 on a whim (heck, why not, for $350 ?I?!), but they simply do not measure up to the Big 3. They are great to lay around the house and check a deer or elk strolling at the forest edge behind the house, but I will not take them to Africa or Alaska. There is truth in the good old "you get what you pay for"...

There might be a pair of Swarovski 15x56 SLC sometimes in my future for Arizona deserts, because 15x helps on the small stuff, far, and 15x56 can still be handheld with an elbow rest and are not too heavy/bulky (compared to 20x80) but that would be more another "want" than a "need"...
 

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Pascal... thanks for your considered thoughts on optics. I am in agreement on most of what you posted as regards my own needs.

I bought my first pair of Zeiss 10X40 BGA glasses in 1981 when visiting Munich with my daughter. I went into an optics shop, explained that I wanted binoculars for mountain hunting in the western USA. The sales person showed me a number of high end glasses and explained that what I REALLY needed were the Zeiss 10X40s. Bought them.

I lost these glasses out of my duck boat in the Klamath marsh sometime in the 1990s... and immediately bought another pair - the ones I recently misplaced. Now I have bought my third pair. Seems I can't do without them.

I'm looking forward to my annual Coues hunt with the Swarovski 15X56 SLCs in a few weeks. As was pointed out earlier, Couses deer hunting is mainly a long range spot and stalk game and optics are critical.
 
I remember the first pair of Swarovski Binoculars I ever seen were in Bob Ward and Sons in Missoula, MT. The price tag was so high it liked to give a kid like me a nose bleed and altitude sickness! I wondered just who in the hell needed or could afford such an extravagance! I personally owned a pair of 8x32 camouflaged rubber armored bushnells and was even so damn hi tech I had the camo bushnell rangefinder that had not only elk and deer but also pronghorn range readings. Sure there was no laser and you had to use a steady hand to put a line on the back and one on the belly, which almost always resulted in the animal heading to the next county by the time you got it manipulated! Between those high speed optics and my Savage 110E with a 4X bushnell on it, I filled the family freezer every year with elk and deer meat.
Fast Forward many years later on an elk hunt in New Mexico for the first time and I realized just what optics were about. The guys I was hunting with had Swarovski, Leica and Doctor optics, they were counting points on elk I couldn’t see through my new Pentax Binos! Lesson learned! I bought what I could afford which were 10x42 SLC’s and started calling elk right along with the AZ and NM hunters. My first Coues hunt taught me about 15x56’s. The investment in these have resulted in over 20 years of hunting enjoyment and success. I wouldn’t trade mine for anything.
glad you ordered a good duo of glass!
 
I could never get into the coues game when I lived in Arizona, but I will agree that a tripod with some higher magnification binos are a must. I don’t own any binos, but on my elk trip last year we were looking at well over a mile (sometimes 10). My dad has Vortex, and they work, but our family friends Swaros made all the difference in the world. For AZ, I agree that 10x is not enough for sit down glass sessions. That’s a great walking glass. Glad you got the 15s. :D Cheers:

Although, I regularly walked within bow range of coues deer when hunting everything else…maybe you guys shouldn’t walk so loud

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I agree with Tanks that the shows are great places to compare size, weight, ergonomics, etc.

but obviously any binocular will have great light transmission in a brightly lit convention hall...

...

After more than 40 satisfied years with the Zeiss 10x40 BG/A T* I bought last year a Leica Geovid 10x42 HD - B 3000.

  • Would I buy them again? I am not sure. If I had realized that the Leica Geovid 10x42 HD - B 3000 are about the same size (see picture above) and are closer in weight (37 oz.) to the Swarovski 15x56 (42 oz.) than to the Zeiss 10x40 (26 oz.), I would probably have hesitated long and hard...

Yeah, my main reason for waiting for the shows is to compare weight and ergonomics. I also wish to look at some scopes, specifically the Trijicon Credo 1-8x28 for my DG bolt rifles.

 

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There are also some incredible deals at the shows. I picked up a Z8 1-8x24 for $1,900 at the last show.
 
Yeah, my main reason for waiting for the shows is to compare weight and ergonomics. I also wish to look at some scopes, specifically the Trijicon Credo 1-8x28 for my DG bolt rifles.


I bought a Credo a couple mouths ago to put on a rifle i'm using for a DMR class. They are nice, but they are not at the top of the scopes at their price range. Nightforce NX8, Leupold Mark 6, Athlon Cronus, even my Riton T Taactix is a better scope in my opinion. I have all of them, so I have compared them side by side.
 
I like my zeiss rangefinding victory. I could not see any difference in optical quality between them and the Swarovski and they felt better in my hand. I had the Vortex razor rangefinder Binos but after my buddy spotted two bull elk bedded in some timber about a mile away and I could not even see them my Vortex became a gift to my son.
Vortex rangefinder razor we’re $900 and my zeiss victory rangefinder bingos were $2800.
 
The big 3 all make excellent glass. One thing to keep in mind is customer service/repairs. Leica has a reputation for being very poor in that regard. Both of the PH's on my recent Tanzanian safari said they would never buy Leicas again due to service issue.
Bruce
 
I am a Leica & Zeiss fan myself, but I have more Leica products (9) then Zeiss (3). In fact, I own 4 pairs of Leica Binoculars. One of my friends, that lives in the EU, and works for an optics company says Leica Binoculars and Zeiss Scopes are the best of each.
 
I rec'd the Swaro 15X56 SLC HD glasses with the factory tripod mount. I mounted it on my Trigger Stick III. This is exceptional glass - bright, clear and distortion free.

They would be even more useful if I could rig a ball head on my Trigger Stick so that the glasses could be more easily moved and manipulated. I do not want to carry both a tripod and shooting stick in the hills.
 
Lon............I have an old pair of Zeiss 10X40 Classics..............even by today's standard they are very good. I now use Swaros, but the difference is subtle. As this thread points out, there is no ONE binoc that fills every need. .......even though a number of people think that they've found it...............FWB
 
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Ha, well I am a Swaro guy. I had the pleasant experience to have Mr. Swarovski visit my business one day. We spent a number of hours discussing optics and hunting. He is one of the most pleasant person you can meet. At the time I had a Zeiss scope and binoculars. He spoke of looking out his office window in Austria comparing top glass looking at a mountain top. Next visit, after a nice dinner his engineer gifted me a pair his binoculars which are my most coveted piece of gear. The HA in my first statement was I almost lost them. Hunting deer with my friends in NY I was doing a push for deer. Late in the day my buddy shot a nice doe and as I started to remove my coat realized the day pack and my coveted binoculars were not on my back. My son and I backtracked where I thought I travelled and at dusk I realized I removed my pack in the morning to take a potty break. Low and behold it was at a base of tree near by. Sorry for long wind but this is why I am a Swarovski guy.
 
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