Question to anyone who owns John Pondoro Taylor's book

[Hoss Delgado]

You can buy the book for $25 through ABE Books. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30290125982&searchurl=an=Pondoro+taylor&sortby=17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1

Thanks , Red leg !

 

[Hoss Delgado]

Here are the basics. It sounds like Tarbe will have more info for you. Taylor relates an anecdote about “two young fellas” who went after their first elephant with a .333 and a .318. It didn’t end well for them.

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Thank you so much

 

[Hoss Delgado]

Here are the basics. It sounds like Tarbe will have more info for you. Taylor relates an anecdote about “two young fellas” who went after their first elephant with a .333 and a .318. It didn’t end well for them.

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Can you provide me the rest of the pages on the .350 Rigby Magnum and .333 Jeffery ?

 

[mark-hunter]

From wikipedia:

The .333 Jeffery was not intended for dangerous game; however, due to the excellent penetration of the 300-grain round, it has been used successfully on all African game species up to and including elephant. In his African Rifles and Cartridges, John "Pondoro" Taylor wrote of the .333 Jeffery, "Time and again have I driven it the length of an animal’s body, and cut the perfectly mushroomed bullet out of his hindquarters. I have never had one break up."[2][3]

Sir Alfred Sharpe used a bolt-actioned .333 Jeffery rifle extensively for hunting in Africa, using it to hunt elephant and other game.[7]

The cartridge was very similar in performance to the .318 Westley Richards. The .280 Jeffery was created by W.J. Jeffery & Co by necking down the .333 Jeffery to .288 inches (7.3 mm).[4]

 

[Hoss Delgado]

From wikipedia:

The .333 Jeffery was not intended for dangerous game; however, due to the excellent penetration of the 300-grain round, it has been used successfully on all African game species up to and including elephant. In his African Rifles and Cartridges, John "Pondoro" Taylor wrote of the .333 Jeffery, "Time and again have I driven it the length of an animal’s body, and cut the perfectly mushroomed bullet out of his hindquarters. I have never had one break up."[2][3]

Sir Alfred Sharpe used a bolt-actioned .333 Jeffery rifle extensively for hunting in Africa, using it to hunt elephant and other game.[7]

The cartridge was very similar in performance to the .318 Westley Richards. The .280 Jeffery was created by W.J. Jeffery & Co by necking down the .333 Jeffery to .288 inches (7.3 mm).[4]

Yes , but l really wanna see Taylor's I Dept reviews of this caliber.

 

[bruce moulds]

did the 333 use the l t capped bullet?
this bullet might have been the first controlled expansion bullet, and was highly regarded as having more performance than a std soft point.
it would be interesting to hear more about this bullet if anyone knows.
bruce.

 

[Hoss Delgado]

Tarbe kindly sent me the pages on the .400/350 Rigby Mauser ( which fired the 310 grain bullet ).
I would also appreciate the pages on the .350 Rigby Magnum ( firing the 225 grain bullet ) and the .333 Jeffery ( especially the parts about Taylor using it on Elephant )

 

[bruce moulds]

my previous question is irrelevant.
just remembered that the L T capped bullet was westley Richards, invented by leslie taylor.
more connected with the 318 w.r., also a 33 cal like the 333 by Jeffery.
bruce.

 

[postoak]

Taylor only used the 300 grain bullet in the .333 because the 250 grain bullet design didn't hold together. The 300 was launched at 2200 fps. He said he only shot 11 elephants with it and they were all one shot kills (or at least he used 11 shots for 11 elephants).

 

[Trail Rated]

Can you provide me the rest of the pages on the .350 Rigby Magnum and .333 Jeffery ?

Check your inbox.

 

[Hoss Delgado]

Thank you so much , everybody.

 

[Hoss Delgado]

Thanks to all you guys , l have compiled the following information on all the 3 calibers which l was interested in knowing about : .350 Rigby Magnum , .400/350 Rigby and .333 Jeffery
1. .350 Rigby Magnum : Firing a 225 grain round nosed solid , there is no documented mention ( that l have come across ) of anyone actually successfully hunting an elephant with this caliber in the pre- minimum caliber law era . The only mention of it ever being used on an elephant , is John Taylor mentioning how a fellow Hunter's .350 Rigby Magnum failed to stop a cow elephant , after it's 225 grain solids bullet hit it in the underside of the face.
2. .400/350 Rigby Mauser : Firing a 310 grain solid , there are two documented users of this caliber on elephant. Pondoro Taylor used it to take at least one elephant ( in his texts , he says " one or two " ) . Jack Judd ,The son of Bill Judd used a .400/350 Rigby Mauser to finish off a wounded bull elephant which killed his father. But the elephant was already shot four times with a .577 Nitro Express and twice previously in the heart and shoulder with the .400/350 before Jack Judd dispatched it at 15 paces with a side brain shot . William Stephen Rainsford owned a .400/350 Rigby which he claims to have used for " everything " . He is recorded with taking a few elephant on his Safari , but he never mentions using the .400/350 on elephant . He also owned a double .450 NE rifle , and it is altogether possible that he never fired on an elephant with the .400/350. Denis D Lyell mentions a .400/350 in his writings as one of the weapons he tried out , but never mentions it specifically being used on an elephant .
3. 333 Jeffery : This caliber , firing a 300 grain solid has two documented users who used it on elephant . John Pondoro Taylor used it to kill 11 Bulls with 11 shots . Sir Alfred Sharpe , in his 1916 Safari used it to kill at least one elephant.
So , to conclude :
.350 Rigby Magum : No successful documented use on Elephant
.400/350 Rigby : 1 successful documented used on elephant by Pondoro Taylor . 2 , if you count Jack Judd's elephant , but l won't because that elephant already took 4 .577 Nitro Express solids from Bill , before Jack used the .400/350
.333 Jeffery : 12 documented use on elephant. 11 from Pondoro Taylor. 1 from Alfred Sharpe.
Thanks again , everyone

 

[Rule 303]

I seem to recall Taylor saying he could not see much difference between a 300 grain projectile from a 350 Rigby - not sure which one - and a 375 on Elephant. I have been trying to find his book that I have. Suspect it may be buried in my shed as I have not seen it for some years. he may well have been talking about penetration not killing efficiency.

Please take this with a grain of salt as I am relying on memory. If I can find the book i will confirm one way or the other.

 

[jlb1036]

YOU CAN ORDER THE BOOK FROM AMAZON HAS EXCELLENT INFORMATION FOR ALL THE
AFRICAN HUNTING SMALL MEDIUM AND LARGE CALIBERS .

 

[mark-hunter]

Old thread, I doubt that OP is reading it.

Taylors book is excellent, and probably most quoted book on subject of rifles for dangerous game.
But it needs to be read in context of time.

First, at the time of writing there was no premium bullets on the market, that we enjoy today, and which improve the rifle performance, like bonded, or partition bullets.

Secodnly. the book was published in 1948.
So at that time, many cartrdidges that we know today, have not been invented, such as 458 win mag, etc.

So with modern advancements the book today is not complete, but is excellent read, and is must have in gun room library.