Preferred family of Medium bore cartridges?

Preferred family of Medium bore cartridges?

  • 338's?

    Votes: 12 14.1%
  • 358's?

    Votes: 15 17.6%
  • 9.62's?

    Votes: 23 27.1%
  • 375's?

    Votes: 35 41.2%

  • Total voters
    85
If we're talking Africa specifically.. .375 HH for me.. the others arent even close..

If we're talking preferred overall... .358 wins in the mdwest house... the 35 Whelen and now the 358 Winchester (added earlier this year) sees a lot more overall use than the other options..
@mdwest I'm glad you are having an affair with the little 358. Under appreciated but can be loaded to good loads, just ask @Rick HOlbert. He took his little 358 to Namibia using Paco Kelly's loads and flattened everything he shot with it.
Bob
 
.338 Winchester Magnum. Born in 1958 and still going strong.
@CoElkHunter
The 338 may have been born in 1958 but so was I. The 338 is getting long in the tooth and starting to fade with these newer better rounds like the 6.5 manbun.
Me on the other hand am just old and stuffed. The 338 may last as long as me when I go but I have my doubts.
All 58 models are getting long in the tooth and fast approaching their use by date. The 100 odd year old Whelen will still be going long after I'm gone tho.
Bob
 
I haven’t Bob, 35stuff is much harder to get. I wish someone would make higher bc bullets. And rifles are harder to find.
@Flewis
How much bc do you need. The 225gn accubond, Woodleigh PPSP and Sierra game king have enough bc to shoot flatter than a 308 with 150s and still have over 2,00pfpe at 400 yards.
Bob
 
FPE is not the issue, where we hunted elk shots were across canyon, 375 to 525 yards and had to hope they stopped in a lane for a shot. It is a crossing area and you said yourself the 338s have a small advantage here. Power is not the problem for the 35w and I think of it in the same vein as the 375h&h. So no I will always love the mighty whelen.
 
When it comes to the medium bores, which do you prefer or get the most use out of?
Here at home, of those, I use my 375 Ruger more. But, there a situations that I would take my 338 Winchester. The only .358 that I currently and recently own is a 358 Winchester. The 9.3's and 358's have some great cartridges. But, I have been heavily aligned with.375's & .338's for decades.
 
Here at home, of those, I use my 375 Ruger more. But, there a situations that I would take my 338 Winchester. The only .358 that I currently and recently own is a 358 Winchester. The 9.3's and 358's have some great cartridges. But, I have been heavily aligned with.375's & .338's for decades.
What would be a scenario at home where you would opt for the 338 over 375?
 
What would be a scenario at home where you would opt for the 338 over 375?
I would take it on the open tundra and higher elevation open areas. I have a couple of 338 Winchester that are from about .5 to 1.5 lbs lighter than my lightest 375.
I shoot 225 grain monolithic bullets & 270 grain ones in my 375. Whether it's matters or not, I prefer the 375 in thicker vegetation / limited visibility areas. The past several moose seasons, I have used my 416 Ruger more than anything. Which trajectory wise comfortable surpasses my available visibility distances.
I have a few rifle and cartridge combinations, but one particular 338 Winchester has maintained "a favorite" position for nearly 30 years. Several years more for the cartridge itself.
I have believed for decades that the 338 Winchester is the do-all-cartridge for North American sized game, from whitetail size up. An upscaled version of the 30-06 do-all cartridge. There has been a time or two when I foolishly listened to logic and the 338 Winchester was my largest cartridge. I could probably still make a personal case for that. But, I am fond of the 375's, 416's, and 458's. I got tired of buying the same type rifles within a year that I had purged.
 
The 338s are very useful, but I think that the 375 H&H takes the top honors. Very little that it cannot do.
 
Interesting post.
My views from down under, where we don't really have large animals that warrant a medium bore, but I still have mediums and have used some of them elsewhere. The biggest wild animals we have are wild/feral cattle. The guys in the West Island call them scrub bulls and I've shot a few with the 270 and 30/06. I now have 375H&H, 9.3x62, 35 Whelen, 338 Win Mag and 338 Federal, but don't live close to where the wild cattle are, so I travel to Africa.
375 H&H, I've shot 3 Ele in Zim all body shots with complete pass throughs, and 4 cape buff, 2 in RSA 2in Nam, 4 zebra Nam. All these animals were taken with 350gr Woodleigh fmj and/or rnsn. These were all one shot kills with an insurance shot on the 3 ele and 2 of the buff. The insurance shots were probably unnecessary.
416 Rem, borrowed rifle, good bull ele 57/62, 400gr solid, side brain, one shot down, job done. Insurance shot fired, just for the sake of insurance. I could have done exactly the same with my H&H but didn't have it with me.
338 Win Mag, 20 or more plains game, from giraffe and eland down to springbok and impala. All one shot kills and it's probably unnecessarily powerful for all but, maybe the giraffe and eland. I must note that giraffe have exceptionally thick skin, up to 1.5" (38mm). The 338 seems to have a very sharp/fast recoil, it takes some getting used to. The 375H&H a slower recoil and is nicer to shoot. Rifle weights are about the same 9lb 3oz.
30/06, 15 plains game from Zebra down to springbok and impala. From memory I fired 17 shots, went over the top of a springbok at 250yds, missed, with one and fired an insurance shot on an oryx/gemsbok.
243 Win, 1 oryx/gemsbok, 3 black face impala, 1 jackal, 2 baboon.
22 rim fire 3 springbok and some guineafowl.
My opinion of these cartridges, for African game. The 375H&H, especially with 350gr Woodies, is all I would use for ele, buff, hippo. However, I'll not hunt ele again and probably not hippo. So, it's an excellent buff cartridge. The 416 Rem was unnecessarily powerful, all based on one shot/ele, not a great sample size. I would never own one. The 338 Win Mag is maybe not enough for buffalo or ele, but is probably unnecessarily powerful, with the possible exception of giraffe, for plains game. The one and only eland I've taken, was with the 338 and I could have done it with my 30/06. The 30/06 is a great hunting cartridge and is probably capable of more than most people give it credit for. I used Barnes 180gr TSX for 11 animals and Speer 180gr Hotcore for the other 4. For what the Hotcore are they worked exceptionally well.
This year 2024, I'm going back to Africa and have 4 buffalo booked. I will be taking my Ruger No1 375H&H, loaded with the 350gr Woodies @ 2320fps both ppsn & fmj and my 35 Whelen loaded with 310gr Woodies @ 2310fps, both rnsn & fmj. The plan is, the first buff with the H&H and the other 3 with the Whelen. I'll be able to make, a some what biased, evaluation of the Whelen for buff. However still a very small sample size. I'm also taking some 250gr Speer Hotcore for the Whelen and plains game.
2025 I'm going back, for 2 buff and I'll take my 338 Win Mag loaded with Nosler 300gr Accubonds and 300gr Woodies, both rnsn & fmj. These 300s work very well in theory and on paper, 100yd moa at 2450fps. It will be interesting to see how they stack up in the field, with buff. I'll also take some 225/250gr for plains game.
2026 It will have to be the 9.3, with a suppressor and 286gr.
At this stage I don't really have a favorite or go to, but I'm working on it!
Higgy.
 
Currently it’s the 375H&H but that wasn’t always the case.

I’ve loved several mid-bores from the 338WM, 35W and even the 358WM in an AR-10. Just too much overlap at this point for me to justify another rifle (or barrel) in the vault.
 
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Interesting post.
My views from down under, where we don't really have large animals that warrant a medium bore, but I still have mediums and have used some of them elsewhere. The biggest wild animals we have are wild/feral cattle. The guys in the West Island call them scrub bulls and I've shot a few with the 270 and 30/06. I now have 375H&H, 9.3x62, 35 Whelen, 338 Win Mag and 338 Federal, but don't live close to where the wild cattle are, so I travel to Africa.
375 H&H, I've shot 3 Ele in Zim all body shots with complete pass throughs, and 4 cape buff, 2 in RSA 2in Nam, 4 zebra Nam. All these animals were taken with 350gr Woodleigh fmj and/or rnsn. These were all one shot kills with an insurance shot on the 3 ele and 2 of the buff. The insurance shots were probably unnecessary.
416 Rem, borrowed rifle, good bull ele 57/62, 400gr solid, side brain, one shot down, job done. Insurance shot fired, just for the sake of insurance. I could have done exactly the same with my H&H but didn't have it with me.
338 Win Mag, 20 or more plains game, from giraffe and eland down to springbok and impala. All one shot kills and it's probably unnecessarily powerful for all but, maybe the giraffe and eland. I must note that giraffe have exceptionally thick skin, up to 1.5" (38mm). The 338 seems to have a very sharp/fast recoil, it takes some getting used to. The 375H&H a slower recoil and is nicer to shoot. Rifle weights are about the same 9lb 3oz.
30/06, 15 plains game from Zebra down to springbok and impala. From memory I fired 17 shots, went over the top of a springbok at 250yds, missed, with one and fired an insurance shot on an oryx/gemsbok.
243 Win, 1 oryx/gemsbok, 3 black face impala, 1 jackal, 2 baboon.
22 rim fire 3 springbok and some guineafowl.
My opinion of these cartridges, for African game. The 375H&H, especially with 350gr Woodies, is all I would use for ele, buff, hippo. However, I'll not hunt ele again and probably not hippo. So, it's an excellent buff cartridge. The 416 Rem was unnecessarily powerful, all based on one shot/ele, not a great sample size. I would never own one. The 338 Win Mag is maybe not enough for buffalo or ele, but is probably unnecessarily powerful, with the possible exception of giraffe, for plains game. The one and only eland I've taken, was with the 338 and I could have done it with my 30/06. The 30/06 is a great hunting cartridge and is probably capable of more than most people give it credit for. I used Barnes 180gr TSX for 11 animals and Speer 180gr Hotcore for the other 4. For what the Hotcore are they worked exceptionally well.
This year 2024, I'm going back to Africa and have 4 buffalo booked. I will be taking my Ruger No1 375H&H, loaded with the 350gr Woodies @ 2320fps both ppsn & fmj and my 35 Whelen loaded with 310gr Woodies @ 2310fps, both rnsn & fmj. The plan is, the first buff with the H&H and the other 3 with the Whelen. I'll be able to make, a some what biased, evaluation of the Whelen for buff. However still a very small sample size. I'm also taking some 250gr Speer Hotcore for the Whelen and plains game.
2025 I'm going back, for 2 buff and I'll take my 338 Win Mag loaded with Nosler 300gr Accubonds and 300gr Woodies, both rnsn & fmj. These 300s work very well in theory and on paper, 100yd moa at 2450fps. It will be interesting to see how they stack up in the field, with buff. I'll also take some 225/250gr for plains game.
2026 It will have to be the 9.3, with a suppressor and 286gr.
At this stage I don't really have a favorite or go to, but I'm working on it!
Higgy.
@Higgy8
What load are you using in you Whelen with the 310s
Bob
 

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