Powder Selection: I want to be sure I understand the theory

I’ve used N-150 in my 404J and .375 with good success. I use N-560 in my 7mm RM and 280AI. The 25-‘06 gets IMR 4350 or RL22.
 
One of the unfortunate (but worth it, I think) aspects of having a no-longer produced rifle is the need to develop a good load for the rifle in the absence of easily found production cartridges. Fortunately, I have been collecting brass for a while, and I still have my stash of primers.

Powder, however, seems to be "catch as catch can". You never know what will be in stock, and you need to have a good idea of what will work if it is in stock. I "get" that some powders burn faster than others, and are more suited to specific loads, and I understand that programs like QuickLoad can help in narrowing down loads that might work. I just want to make sure I understand what may help start the process.

In this case, I'm going to focus on my 6.5X54 MS rifle, with the 450mm (17.7") barrel. CIP specs will give me a maximum load, and I'm going to stick with one bullet to "make all other things equal". Bullet chosen is the 160 grain Woodleigh RNSP. The only variable I'm going to change is powder, and even there, to keep things reasonable (i.e. not too many choices) is to consider Vihta Vouri powders. Comparisons are done in QuickLoad. If it helps the discussion, Woodleigh lists only 8 powders in their manual, and I haven't seen them in stock in an awful long time.

To be clear: I understand that these are "estimates", and are no substitution for working up a safe load. I also understand that published loads are better, but also know that not every powder company has tested their powders in this cartridge, and published data lists powders that are not always available. Additionally, there are some bullet manufacturers who provide bullets, but leave the load data up to the powder companies. When I run out of my supply of Woodleighs, I may need to switch to Hawks, and then where will I be? Here, we are working only in theory. No one is pulling the trigger on these loads without going through a safe process.

VV lists several powders as being "slow burning and suitable for heavier bullets". But which would be most appropriate?

To condense my notes I'm going to compare N150, N160, N165, N550, and N560 at either maximum pressure (Pmax of 52940 psi) or full case without a compressed load.

Based on the QL estimates, for N150, I can load 37.2 grains of powder and be at maximum load, hits 2208 fps, fills the case to 93.2%, and burning 100% of the powder.
For N160, 39.2 grains hits max load, hits 2308 fps, fills 90.8% of the case, and burns 99.28% of the powder.
For N165, 41.8 grains is below max load hitting 2208 fps, fills 99.9% of the case, and burns 94.32% of the powder. More powder will keep within pressures, but will be a compressed load, and it's not going to burn that powder in the barrel anyway.
For N550, 39.2 grains is max load at 2334 fps, fills 90.7% of the case, and burns 99.2% of the powder.
For N560, 43.2 grains is below max load at 2339 fps, fills 99.9% of the case, and burns 92.21% of the powder. More powder will keep within pressures, but will be a compressed load, and it's not going to burn that powder in the barrel anyway.

So, depending on the powder, keeping pressures safe and speed about where it needs to be, I can fill the case but not burn it all, or I can leave some space in the case and not "waste" powder by sending unburned powder out the barrel with the bullet. Those powders that do not completely fill the case will exceed max pressure with a greater fill.

Looking at the above, my first choice should probably be N150, leaving some space in the case but burning it all, followed by N550 filling slightly less and burning slightly less and tied with N160.

Am I looking at this the right way? Or am I missing something important? Obviously, you don't want "too little" powder in the case, but filling it and sending unburned powder out doesn't make sense either.
@SaintPanzer
To simplify things for you

In smaller bottle neck cartridges the heavier the bullet the slower the powder. Case fill of 96% to 102% ( compressed load)

Use a powder that fills the case to give you the velocity you want with the lowest pressure.

Fast powders reach velocity quicker but can also result in higher pressures.

I know this is a simplified explanation but it's the method I use.

Generally if a powder isn't listed for your cartridge by the powder company it's not safe to use it.
Bob
 
A chronograph is always handy as well, as it could tell you when to stop. Even if theory says X grains will give you Y fps, in your rifle, you could find that you reach that velocity somewhere below X. That would indicate that the pressure is already up there.
@cmk
The opposite can also be true
X grains of powder may not achieve Y Velocities before you run out of case capacity despite what the book says.
That's why a chronograph is your best friend.
In days of yore I have loaded rounds that were supposed to give Y velocity and was happy with that and told people it was doing Y velocity.
Imagine my shock when I bought a chrino and put these loads over it inky to find it was nowhere near the book.
Did I worry, NO. The load was safe in my rifle and it killed game.
I learnt all rifles are different and will give different results.

The load I worked up for my 270 with a 130gr projectile was 0ne grain under book max and showed ZERO pressure signs but produced 3,200plus a bit fps. This was over what the book said it should be doing.

As long as the load is SAFE in YOUR rifle it will be fine BUT ALWAYS START LOW AND WORK UP TO YOUR SAFE WORKING LOAD.
Bob
 
I think you have the correct thought process. You are basically balancing several factors for best result. Most benchresters aim for a slightly compressed load for more consitent ignition. Also in VV powders, the 5xx series is double base powder. It will produce more velocity for same pressures but maybe a little less consistent. I would also suggest you do a little research on similar calibres that are more popular- maybe 6.5 cm and 6.5 x 55 are similar to 6.5 x 45 ?
 
Thanks. One needs to be a little more careful when comparing cartridges:
6.5X54, case capacity: 44.5 grains H2O.
6.5X55, 57.9
6,5 Creedmore: 52.5

While case length is similar (55mm for the Swede, 48.8mm for the modern thing) big differences exist with case diameter. The MS is only 11.5mm, but the other two approach 12. Add pi to the equation, and there's a lot more volume involved. In the case of the modern one, you need a faster powder to burn it all in the short space.
 
@SaintPanzer
What about H4350 or is it easier to find a unicorn farming rainbows.
Bob
What, one of the most popular powders out there? Yeah, all over the place. Common as 5'2" basketball centers.

And if I limit myself to only cartridges listed by powder companies, I need to find someone selling cordite so I can use my 9.5X57 again.
 
Ah, I see that have it today, but that's not the question.

As I said, I want to understand the theory, in order to be able to select when a desired powder is not available.
 

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