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Actually the solution is quite simple if we look at what the insurrectionists want. They want their own country. - So, give it to them. But in doing so, they forfeit their US citizenship and all of the rights available to US citizens under the US Constitution. In addition, since they are a foreign country, they have not yet set up any letters of credit or other international banking arrangements, so any service provided to them by entities of the USA, to include Seattle utility services will be delivered on a COD basis. Until payment is made the new country will have no water or power that was previously supplied to the area. In the event that they should desire to rejoin the USA they will have to make restitution for all of the damages caused as part of their secession.
 
Leftists never get voted out of Liberal strongholds. The inner city cops are basically worthless, as they follow the directive of the Mayor. Chaos and anarchy run rampant.

Personally, I would like to see the rioters, looters, and anarchist's, crushed by the military, or a large contingent of good old boys.

But that's just me.
If they dislike how their elected officials handle a situation, they can vote them out or move to a different state. I would rather have some businesses burned then to have the federal government exert even more influence over the states.
 
The big problem is, there are 2 sets of laws in this country. One for them, one for us.

The Justice department is spineless.
That's the trouble with the lawlessness. Nobody is held responsible. Maybe if the politicians that run these cities were held personally liable, they'd be more inclined to enforce the laws.
 
Do you know anything about the political situation of the countries you hunt in Africa?

Why most hunters are conservative?
 
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Do you know anything about the political situation of the countries you hunt in Africa?

Why most hunters are conservative?

Just curious, where do you hunt, what firearms do you own and have you hunted Africa?
 
Why most hunters are conservative?

I suppose to properly address your question we'd have to be starting from the same definition of conservative. As you can tell from the posts on this thread, most, if not all, would fit a liberal's definition of conservative, yet they cover a broad spectrum. Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle; I don't agree with much of what I would call the more extreme sentiments expressed on this thread (for example, I believe that systemic racism does exist), but I understand why those sentiments are expressed, and believe that any government would address them as legitimate, as they do more extreme liberal views.

That out of the way, I will take small stab at answering your question. I think the reason hunters are by and large conservative includes factors such as the following:

1. Hunters tend to be more in tune with nature and have a more realistic understanding of nature than liberals, for a range of reasons. Hunters tend to be found more outside of large urban centres; liberals tend to be found in large urban centres; Hunters understand where their food comes from, and that animals die for our food, whether we kill it ourselves and bring it home or whether we buy it shrink-wrapped on a styrofoam tray and bring it home. Liberals tend to view meat on a styrofoam tray as being detached from a real, living, animal (as, of course it is, but in a different way!). Note I said "tend."

2. Hunters tend to understand that while nature is beautiful, nature is also utterly amoral; it does not care whether you live or die though often, you would think it tends to the latter. When hunters say "Mother Nature" they often mean it somewhat sarcastically. No hunter would want a mother like Mother Nature. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to view nature as benign, and wish their mothers were more like Mother Nature. Hunters tend to understand that animals will kill other animals, even of their own kind for food and/or for sex, often in ways which tend to appear enormously brutal and cruel to liberals. Hunters tend not to view this as cruel, because hunters tend not to attribute human characteristics to nature or to animals, while liberals tend to do so. Note again, I said "tend."

3. Hunters tend to be among the more self-reliant members of society. If there was a breakdown in civil order, and we found ourselves in a "back to nature" situation, hunters would likely tend to fare better than would liberals, on average. This self-reliance tends to bring about a mindset which says that I look after me and mine, and I don't look to you and yours for a bailout or a handout, so hunters tend to respond negatively when others who have no pretensions to self-reliance require hunters to look after those who have refused to look after themselves. Thus hunters will likely tell their young children such fables as the Three Little Pigs and the Squirrel and the Grasshopper at bedtime. Those who don't know what those are, or who don't get the moral, tend to be liberals. But despite being self reliant, hunters are not cruel, tend to have a strict ethical code to which they adhere, and tend not to begrudge help to those who truly need it and accept it with a measure of grace. These do not tend to be characteristics of liberals. Note those tiresome "tends" again.

4. Hunters tend to be men and men tend to be more conservative than women. Note I again said "tend."

5. Hunters these days, alas, tend to be older and older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. Note I still said "tend."

6. Hunters tend - and I haven't done sufficient research to prove this (yet) - it seems to me, to be more (traditionally) religious, perhaps as a result of spending so much time in nature, while liberals tend not to be so religious. In North America, the words religious and conservative tend to be used in tandem, while the words atheistic (or, perhaps less pejoratively, non-religious) and liberal tend to be synonymous. Again, and for the last time in this note, I said "tends."

Does this help?
 
I remember, but the difference is he didn't have to provide entertainment 24/7 like the clowns who play "journalists" on TV today. I think it all started to change when CBS pretty much forced him to resign in favor of "I make the news" Dan Rather. For those who don't know, Cronkite was an embedded reporter in the European theater during WWII.
Cronkite was also a closet socialist.
 
The first thing the protesters did in Seattle when they set up the "free state of "Chaz" was to erect a wall--I thought they were against the border wall, then elect their own police (thought they wanted to dismantle police), then throw out someone who was recording them with their cell phone (what started the whole George mess), and plant a 10 sq. ft. garden. They are being given food by NGOs but are running out of cigarettes. Pity. Bigger pity if they are ever put in charge.
 
I suppose to properly address your question we'd have to be starting from the same definition of conservative. As you can tell from the posts on this thread, most, if not all, would fit a liberal's definition of conservative, yet they cover a broad spectrum. Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle; I don't agree with much of what I would call the more extreme sentiments expressed on this thread (for example, I believe that systemic racism does exist), but I understand why those sentiments are expressed, and believe that any government would address them as legitimate, as they do more extreme liberal views.

That out of the way, I will take small stab at answering your question. I think the reason hunters are by and large conservative includes factors such as the following:

1. Hunters tend to be more in tune with nature and have a more realistic understanding of nature than liberals, for a range of reasons. Hunters tend to be found more outside of large urban centres; liberals tend to be found in large urban centres; Hunters understand where their food comes from, and that animals die for our food, whether we kill it ourselves and bring it home or whether we buy it shrink-wrapped on a styrofoam tray and bring it home. Liberals tend to view meat on a styrofoam tray as being detached from a real, living, animal (as, of course it is, but in a different way!). Note I said "tend."

2. Hunters tend to understand that while nature is beautiful, nature is also utterly amoral; it does not care whether you live or die though often, you would think it tends to the latter. When hunters say "Mother Nature" they often mean it somewhat sarcastically. No hunter would want a mother like Mother Nature. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to view nature as benign, and wish their mothers were more like Mother Nature. Hunters tend to understand that animals will kill other animals, even of their own kind for food and/or for sex, often in ways which tend to appear enormously brutal and cruel to liberals. Hunters tend not to view this as cruel, because hunters tend not to attribute human characteristics to nature or to animals, while liberals tend to do so. Note again, I said "tend."

3. Hunters tend to be among the more self-reliant members of society. If there was a breakdown in civil order, and we found ourselves in a "back to nature" situation, hunters would likely tend to fare better than would liberals, on average. This self-reliance tends to bring about a mindset which says that I look after me and mine, and I don't look to you and yours for a bailout or a handout, so hunters tend to respond negatively when others who have no pretensions to self-reliance require hunters to look after those who have refused to look after themselves. Thus hunters will likely tell their young children such fables as the Three Little Pigs and the Squirrel and the Grasshopper at bedtime. Those who don't know what those are, or who don't get the moral, tend to be liberals. But despite being self reliant, hunters are not cruel, tend to have a strict ethical code to which they adhere, and tend not to begrudge help to those who truly need it and accept it with a measure of grace. These do not tend to be characteristics of liberals. Note those tiresome "tends" again.

4. Hunters tend to be men and men tend to be more conservative than women. Note I again said "tend."

5. Hunters these days, alas, tend to be older and older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. Note I still said "tend."

6. Hunters tend - and I haven't done sufficient research to prove this (yet) - it seems to me, to be more (traditionally) religious, perhaps as a result of spending so much time in nature, while liberals tend not to be so religious. In North America, the words religious and conservative tend to be used in tandem, while the words atheistic (or, perhaps less pejoratively, non-religious) and liberal tend to be synonymous. Again, and for the last time in this note, I said "tends."

Does this help?

Nice Hank.....now the political situation in these countries please..... I was going to reply yesterday but honestly couldn't work up the energy as am not sure of the posters intent or credentials due to attitude and content of his posts.......... And you are doing such a great job please continue...
 
Cronkite was also a closet socialist.

Quite true but he never, to my recollection, let his politics come out when reporting the news.

As to his labeling the Vietnam War as lost after the Tet offensive and recommending a diplomatic solution, that's what happened years and many lost lives later.
 
As to his labeling the Vietnam War as lost after the Tet offensive and recommending a diplomatic solution, that's what happened years and many lost lives later.


Just a reminder to those old enough to know better and news to those that have been indoctrinated by the education system of the last several decades, the US didn't lose the Vietnam war. The losers were those Vietnamese that didn't want a Communistic country, most of which were purged when the North took over. the other loser was USSR and China. their economies were virtually ruined. The USSR then went into Afghanistan and completed the process of bankruptcy. China was pulled out by Nixon selling out the US labor market by giving China "Most Favored Nation" status and opening the door for the exit of US jobs.

Cronkites statement that the US could not win the war because of what he saw after the TET offensive was not reporting news but merely his left-wing dreams. The North Vietnamese Army in the south and the Viet Cong were reduced to combat ineffective status. During February 1968 the US lost about 5,000 men, compared to 50,000 NVA/VC (actual, not inflated) and NVA lost virtually an entire division (5000+) in the attempted siege of Khe Sanh. There were virtually no NVA offensive operations for two years after February 1968 until the NVA built there strength back.

Cronkite would have been correct had he told LBJ in 1964 that the best way to deal with the situation was diplomatically but the prideful LBJ was convinced that some p---ant little country wouldn't dare stand against the US military. Or, if Cronkite had been around in 1918-1919 to convince the US legation in Paris to tell France that they were in no position to dictate treaty terms and that French-Indochina should no longer be French. It was the lack of support for independence for French Indochina that caused Ho to seek support from the only source available- the Bolsheviks.

But things are clear in hind-sight to see where things could have gone differently and various problems could have been avoided, but we go with the light that is available at the time. It is just too bac that the education of draft dodgers to the point that they are now the primary sector of teachers and professors in our education system- and thus we get their view of history.
 
Leftists never get voted out of Liberal strongholds. The inner city cops are basically worthless, as they follow the directive of the Mayor. Chaos and anarchy run rampant.

Personally, I would like to see the rioters, looters, and anarchist's, crushed by the military, or a large contingent of good old boys.

But that's just me.
To me, that sounds like a fascist nation. We have states rights for a reason.
 
Ray, are you referring to me when you speak of "draft dodgers"?
 
Then the state and local leaders need to do the right thing, and protect people and property, before things get out of hand. Sitting back and being a spectator to advance a political ideology, is completely unacceptable for state leaders, and the police force. Arresting looters and vandals, and then turning around and letting them go is not what I call leadership.

A military that protects it's citizens and property is not fascism, if it is stepping to do the job that state leaders refuse to do.

Protect this country from all enemies, foreign, and domestic.
To me, that sounds like a fascist nation. We have states rights for a reason.
 
Ray, are you referring to me when you speak of "draft dodgers"?

Not necessarily and draft dodger is not necessarily a pejorative term. It depends on the individual and his/her culture. Someone could be called a Christian and previously in the US that was considered a compliment while being a Christian in other cultures and more repressive countries it is not only an insult but a criminal offense.

But in reference to the times of turmoil in the US involving individuals actions regarding imposed service in the military there are several levels. The most extreme was to leave home, job and family and flee from the country of origin to a new one, most commonly it was Canada. Once the birthday lottery was implemented there was some element of probability and time involved. If someone had a low number he stood a good chance of being called whereas a high number could likely just ride it out and avoid being drafted without taking any direct avoidance actions. Then there was the group to which I was discussing in the previous comment. In addition to the birthday lottery there was also the individuals draft status- from 1A to 4F. In between in the mix of several grades was II-S. this was a deferment for students. A person could get his potential 1A status revised to II-S by being enrolled in a school of higher learning. So by continuing a persons education he not only gained a competitive advantage for future employment by having more education than a non-student but also avoided military service. Since the war lasted for several years there were several students that continued schooling not only through a standard BA program but also clear through graduate schools becoming lawyers, doctors and most influentially PhDs so there views became subject matter to the classes where they became professors. However, since the course structure of programs for teaching certification was generally seen as easier when compared to math and science, those that were marginal students but needed to keep their grades up to keep their II-S status generally chose education as their major. as with the future college professors, these graduates, now teachers carried their belief system into the classroom to indoctrinate the students.

As the US Attorney General recently said, history is written by the winners and it is easy to see that in a comparison of those that served their country and those that chose to avoid service by going to college, the latter is the winner and they are the ones not only writing the history but also teaching our youth. so is it any surprise then the youth are taken in by Bolshevik ideology and make such counterproductive decisions as are presently being made?

So to answer your question, do I consider you a draft dodger? The answer is I don't know. On two counts- first I don't know anything about you personally and secondly, if I did, I don't know which classification of avoider you may have been. But there are a lot of things that I don't know but not knowing this doesn't bother me.


:):):)
 
Wow, a lot of words to answer a simple question, Ray. Another question:Where were you between 1970 and 1975? And just so you'll know, my MOS was 16 Charlie. Some will know what that means, others can look it up. Back to the topic I originally commented on, Mr. Cronkite did not voice his liberal opinions during his newscasts as so many do today and the war, for us anyway, was ended by diplomacy. Nuff said
 
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Just curious, where do you hunt, what firearms do you own and have you hunted Africa?
I never hunted in Africa, unfortunately.
Carabina Puma 38.
Boar in cerrado is all that's legal, capybara is also possible.
 
I suppose to properly address your question we'd have to be starting from the same definition of conservative. As you can tell from the posts on this thread, most, if not all, would fit a liberal's definition of conservative, yet they cover a broad spectrum. Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle; I don't agree with much of what I would call the more extreme sentiments expressed on this thread (for example, I believe that systemic racism does exist), but I understand why those sentiments are expressed, and believe that any government would address them as legitimate, as they do more extreme liberal views.

That out of the way, I will take small stab at answering your question. I think the reason hunters are by and large conservative includes factors such as the following:

1. Hunters tend to be more in tune with nature and have a more realistic understanding of nature than liberals, for a range of reasons. Hunters tend to be found more outside of large urban centres; liberals tend to be found in large urban centres; Hunters understand where their food comes from, and that animals die for our food, whether we kill it ourselves and bring it home or whether we buy it shrink-wrapped on a styrofoam tray and bring it home. Liberals tend to view meat on a styrofoam tray as being detached from a real, living, animal (as, of course it is, but in a different way!). Note I said "tend."

2. Hunters tend to understand that while nature is beautiful, nature is also utterly amoral; it does not care whether you live or die though often, you would think it tends to the latter. When hunters say "Mother Nature" they often mean it somewhat sarcastically. No hunter would want a mother like Mother Nature. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to view nature as benign, and wish their mothers were more like Mother Nature. Hunters tend to understand that animals will kill other animals, even of their own kind for food and/or for sex, often in ways which tend to appear enormously brutal and cruel to liberals. Hunters tend not to view this as cruel, because hunters tend not to attribute human characteristics to nature or to animals, while liberals tend to do so. Note again, I said "tend."

3. Hunters tend to be among the more self-reliant members of society. If there was a breakdown in civil order, and we found ourselves in a "back to nature" situation, hunters would likely tend to fare better than would liberals, on average. This self-reliance tends to bring about a mindset which says that I look after me and mine, and I don't look to you and yours for a bailout or a handout, so hunters tend to respond negatively when others who have no pretensions to self-reliance require hunters to look after those who have refused to look after themselves. Thus hunters will likely tell their young children such fables as the Three Little Pigs and the Squirrel and the Grasshopper at bedtime. Those who don't know what those are, or who don't get the moral, tend to be liberals. But despite being self reliant, hunters are not cruel, tend to have a strict ethical code to which they adhere, and tend not to begrudge help to those who truly need it and accept it with a measure of grace. These do not tend to be characteristics of liberals. Note those tiresome "tends" again.

4. Hunters tend to be men and men tend to be more conservative than women. Note I again said "tend."

5. Hunters these days, alas, tend to be older and older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. Note I still said "tend."

6. Hunters tend - and I haven't done sufficient research to prove this (yet) - it seems to me, to be more (traditionally) religious, perhaps as a result of spending so much time in nature, while liberals tend not to be so religious. In North America, the words religious and conservative tend to be used in tandem, while the words atheistic (or, perhaps less pejoratively, non-religious) and liberal tend to be synonymous. Again, and for the last time in this note, I said "tends."

Does this help?

Thanks for your perspective.
 
Then the state and local leaders need to do the right thing, and protect people and property, before things get out of hand. Sitting back and being a spectator to advance a political ideology, is completely unacceptable for state leaders, and the police force. Arresting looters and vandals, and then turning around and letting them go is not what I call leadership.

A military that protects it's citizens and property is not fascism, if it is stepping to do the job that state leaders refuse to do.

Protect this country from all enemies, foreign, and domestic.
The mayors and governors have not allowed the situation to get out of hand, in fact things seemed to have calmed down considerably. Regardless, federal government overreach in the name of "law and order" sets too dangerous a precedent. The Founders understood the realities of protests, even violent civil unrest, having led many themselves. Yet, they saw it as more necessary to protect the states from the federal government than they did to protect property from protesters.
 

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