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The black boxes will tell all. I'm assuming they were past the point of no return at that point. The aviation guys on YT will probably have most of the information in the next few days.

I will guarantee that they NEVER expected to completely lose an engine. Someone has some 'splaining to do.
The #1 engine actually fell off on the runway. as it was coming off, debris damaged the #3 engine.
The fireball on the wing is fuel being pumped into an engine that is no longer on the wing.
The number 3 engine suffered a compressor stall because of the damage.They only had #2 engine on the right wing functioning.
The plane was already at V1 when this happened and they had no choice but to rotate and try to climb out of it.
They just didn't have enough lift or power to overcome the total weight of the plane full of fuel & cargo.
 
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I can't imagine how these men feel. You save your country at the start of your life. But by the end you see it being given away to barbarians who have no respect for it and hate it. And the best most of the older generations can say is to tell the younger generations to move away. How about you take some responsibility and save your country?

 
This land whale has about 4 more months of starving before she's in trouble. Like most of these folks, I guarantee that if you inspected her personal belongings she has thousands of dollars of luxury items she didn't need to buy ans could sell if she needed money. Not to mention her phone and subscriptions.


The humongous thing should be sent here to a village in the bush.....sort her out :E Rofl:
 
Concerning the above post, one must consider:

Value of US Dollar 1980 compared to 2025: 3.94 X based on https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
and
https://www.inflationtool.com/us-dollar/1980-to-present-value?amount=1&year2=2025&frequency=yearly
$1 in 1980 would have buying power of $3.94 today

The value of the Great Britan Pound is 5.48 X more in 2025 than in 1980.

Vehicles be they automobiles or farm equipment are much more complicated today than in 1980.
Heck, I can repair most items on a 1980 car or pickup but haven't the test equipment or tools to start repairing today's vehicles.

Even 3% inflation compounded over time for the subject 45 year period is 3.78 X

Life isn't as bad now as many try to make it seem...
 
Concerning the above post, one must consider:

Value of US Dollar 1980 compared to 2025: 3.94 X based on https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
and
https://www.inflationtool.com/us-dollar/1980-to-present-value?amount=1&year2=2025&frequency=yearly
$1 in 1980 would have buying power of $3.94 today

The value of the Great Britan Pound is 5.48 X more in 2025 than in 1980.

Vehicles be they automobiles or farm equipment are much more complicated today than in 1980.
Heck, I can repair most items on a 1980 car or pickup but haven't the test equipment or tools to start repairing today's vehicles.

Even 3% inflation compounded over time for the subject 45 year period is 3.78 X

Life isn't as bad now as many try to make it seem...
Don’t think anything else needs to be said (y)
 


Between Jan 1980 and Jan 2025 the CPI has changed the US dollar’s buying power via inflation 408%.

Now assume everything up there just to be par should be at least 408% inflation.

Let me recreate the chart:

Beef down 43%
Tractor up 767%
Bailer up 107%
Trucks up 444%
Diesel down 17%
Cola up 124%
Doritos up 92%
Coffee up 363%

Not as insane. Then we can find the madness in the corrected numbers: Tractors are price gouging because of John Deere’s thwarting of “right to repair” statutes. Coffee is up because of stupid Starbucks convincing people to spend meal-prices on brown water. Everything else is up or down within reasonable ranges.
 
Value of US Dollar 1980 compared to 2025: 3.94 X based on https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
and
https://www.inflationtool.com/us-dollar/1980-to-present-value?amount=1&year2=2025&frequency=yearly
$1 in 1980 would have buying power of $3.94 today

The value of the Great Britan Pound is 5.48 X more in 2025 than in 1980.

Vehicles be they automobiles or farm equipment are much more complicated today than in 1980.
Heck, I can repair most items on a 1980 car or pickup but haven't the test equipment or tools to start repairing today's vehicles.

Even 3% inflation compounded over time for the subject 45 year period is 3.78 X

Life isn't as bad now as many try to make it seem...

Not sure about that.....now will be converting price of my doritos to check how they compare here...might have to go to something cheaper ....:eek::E Rofl:
 

At least 240 charged with treason after Tanzania election violence​

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President Samia faced no significant opposition in last week's poll
A Tanzanian court has charged at least 240 people with treason following last week's deadly election protests.

President Samia Suluhu Hassan was declared the winner of the election with 98% of the vote, but the opposition - which was barred from contesting - denounced the poll as a sham.

Security forces clashed with those protesting against the vote and, according to various sources, hundreds were killed. The authorities have downplayed the scale of the violence and maintained the election was free and fair.

Many people were arrested and have now been charged with treason at a court in the economic capital of Dar es Salaam. They were not been asked to enter a plea in court.
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According to a charge sheet seen by the BBC, the defendants are accused of inciting demonstrations with the intention of obstructing the election.

The defendants could receive the death penalty if found guilty. However, in Tanzania, the majority of those sentenced to death eventually have their sentence commuted to life in jail.

The East African nation's last execution took place in the 1990s.

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Among those charged on Friday was prominent Tanzanian businesswoman Jenifer Jovin.

She has been accused of encouraging protesters to buy gas masks in order to protect themselves from the police's tear gas.

The defendants also include social media influencers. The court has been adjourned until 19 November.

During her inauguration speech, President Samia condemned the violence and also blamed foreigners for stoking the unrest.

It has left many Kenyans in Tanzania fearful for their safety after being reportedly targeted in the brutal crackdown - and has prompted Kenya's Foreign Minister Musalia Mudavadi to ask his Tanzanian counterpart that their safety be guaranteed.

During a phone conversation, Mudavadi said he had told his Tanzanian Foreign Minister Mahmoud Thabit Kombo that concerns would be "addressed through the established diplomatic and consular channels".

But he reaffirmed "the importance of safeguarding the rights, safety, and dignity" of Kenyans living in Tanzania.

In May, Mudavadi had said that about 250,000 Kenyans lived, worked or did business in Tanzania.

Earlier a Tanzanian police spokesman said the country had intelligence that some foreigners had crossed the border through illegal points "with the intention to commit crimes, including causing unrest".

Several families in Kenya have expressed concern for the safety of their relatives in Tanzania, following reports that some Kenyans have been killed, injured, or detained, while others are nursing injuries allegedly inflicted by Tanzanian security officers.

John Ogutu, a Kenyan teacher working in Dar es Salaam, was shot dead by police while on his way to buy food, his older sister told the BBC.

But rights groups say his body can not be traced for repatriation and burial.

On Tuesday, a doctor at Muhimbili Hospital in Dar es Salaam told the BBC that vehicles marked "Municipal Burial Services" had been collecting bodies of those believed to have died in the protests.

Kenya's foreign affairs ministry has now asked relatives of Kenyans who may be in distress in Tanzania to share their names, addresses and emergency contacts.

Reports say many Kenyans, especially those working in private schools, are now fleeing Tanzania after the government warned employers not to engage people without work permits.

Election observers say the polls fell short of democratic standards, but the government insists the election was fair and transparent.

President Samia faced little opposition with key rival candidates either imprisoned or barred from running.

Her inauguration ceremony was held at a military parade ground in the capital, Dodoma, instead of a stadium as in previous years. It was closed to the public but was shown live on state TV.

She initially came into office in 2021 as Tanzania's first female president following the death of President John Magufuli - and was initially praised for easing political repression, but the political space has since narrowed.

Tanzania and Kenya, which are both part of the Economic African Community, have experienced periodic political and economic tensions.

In May diplomatic relations were strained over Tanzania's treatment of Kenyans who had gone to Dar es Salaam to observe the treason trial of opposition leader Tundu Lissu.

Several of them were deported while prominent Kenyan activist Boniface Mwangi, along with Ugandan activist Agather Atuhaire, went missing and were later reported to have been tortured and sexually mistreated.

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Tanzania police arrest opposition party official after deadly election protests​

Chadema party says deputy secretary general arrested and calls election of incumbent president fraudulent

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Sat 8 Nov 2025 10.17 EST
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Tanzanian authorities have detained a senior official from the main opposition party, Chadema, amid a spate of arrests in connection to deadly protests during elections last week.

More than 1,000 people were killed by security forces during the demonstrations, according to Chadema and human rights bodies. The Tanzanian government has said these figures were exaggerated but did not give its own figures.


Chadema said its deputy secretary general, Amani Golugwa, was arrested by police on Saturday. Authorities are seeking the arrest of nine more people, including others in the party.

Tanzanian authorities have charged more than 200 people with treason after last week’s protests – a charge that could carry the death penalty, though no executions have been carried out in the country since 1995.

The incumbent president, Samia Suluhu Hassan, was deemed the winner of the election, with 98% of the vote, but the opposition – which was barred from participating – condemned the results as fraudulent.


FILES-TANZANIA-POLITICS-ELECTION(FILES) Tanzania's ruling party Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) presidential candidate and incumbent Tanzanian President Samia Suluhu Hassan won a landslide election victory with 97.66% of the vote, the electoral commission announced on 1 November, 2025, after polls that lacked major opposition candidates and descended into violent protests.
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The government claimed the elections were free and fair, but the main rivals were not allowed to run, and election observers said the vote was not democratic and cited instances of ballot stuffing.

“The police force, in collaboration with other defence and security agencies, is continuing a serious manhunt to find all who planned, coordinated and executed this evil act,” a police spokesperson said in a statement.

Chadema’s secretary general, John Mnyika, and the head of communications, Brenda Rupia, were among those wanted for arrest.


The leader of Chadema, Tundu Lissu, was charged with treason in April and not allowed to run in the elections. The exclusion of Lissu and other political figures from the ballot fuelled the ensuing protests.

According to Amnesty International, in the run-up to the elections, Tanzanian authorities carried out enforced disappearances, arbitrary arrests and extrajudicial killings.

Protests were held on 29 October in cities across Tanzania, leading to violence and clashes with police, a statement from authorities said.

Amnesty International said authorities cut off internet access and used excessive force in an attempt to suppress post-election protests.


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Rights groups said the government had cracked down on individuals perceived to be associated with the protests, including the prominent businesswoman Jenifer Jovin, who was accused of encouraging protesters to buy gas masks.

President Samia acknowledged that there were deaths, but blamed the unrest on foreigners, stating: “It was not a surprise that those arrested were from other countries.”

Despite the protests, Samia was sworn into office on Monday. Her inauguration ceremony was televised but closed to the public and held at a military parade ground in the capital.

Samia became Tanzania’s first female president in 2021 after the then president, John Magufuli, died in office while she was his vice-president. She was initially praised by activists for easing political repression, but has since been accused of reversing course.

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Some of the aftermath from the election posted above. And just remember Tanzania is a socialist country.
 
Between Jan 1980 and Jan 2025 the CPI has changed the US dollar’s buying power via inflation 408%.

Now assume everything up there just to be par should be at least 408% inflation.

Let me recreate the chart:

Beef down 43%
Tractor up 767%
Bailer up 107%
Trucks up 444%
Diesel down 17%
Cola up 124%
Doritos up 92%
Coffee up 363%

Not as insane. Then we can find the madness in the corrected numbers: Tractors are price gouging because of John Deere’s thwarting of “right to repair” statutes. Coffee is up because of stupid Starbucks convincing people to spend meal-prices on brown water. Everything else is up or down within reasonable ranges.
But when people consider the change in prices and how it impacts them they don’t look at a 40 year window. They look at a two to three year window.

My grocery price for beef has doubled in the last three years. For a person who is price sensitive that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what the cost if a tractor or car is or that prices were absurdly low for a long period of time. All that matters when they form their opinion is what they feel over a short time window.

Wow what I’m saying is your analysis is right but it doesn’t matter one bit when it comes to influencing public opinion which is what drives elections and policies.
 
Again, I know that I am an outlier because of where I choose to live, and I expect no sympathy because it is my choice. But using a few things on that graph... Doritos are over 10 bucks, a bottle of any major soda $4.50, and burger is within a few pennies of 12 bucks a pound. I don't live paycheck to paycheck but most people here do.
 
I can't imagine how these men feel. You save your country at the start of your life. But by the end you see it being given away to barbarians who have no respect for it and hate it. And the best most of the older generations can say is to tell the younger generations to move away. How about you take some responsibility and save your country?

Something I wish I had the psychological/psychiatry skills to really hash out. I wonder if anyone else here can help draw out this thesis:

Today, we have a problem with veteran suicide rates. I'm wondering how these rates are affected by people who join the military (especially after 9/11/2001), make great sacrifices, and then return, only to see where our values as a nation have shifted. How does that affect them, and how does that create unexpected value clashes?

I really think this is something we need to explore.
 

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