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[OxfordTheCat]

Our Ohio class remains essentially undetectable. We will not expose an Ohio under any conditions. They are in rotating deployment in their engagement areas, which because of the range of the Trident II D5 SLBM, is not anywhere near the coasts of the Russian Republic or China.

The Ohio class has been "sunk" in exercise by conventionally powered boats on a number of occasions, Swedes, Norwegians, and Canadians.

Most of the mythos of being undetectable is driven by Tom Clancy, not reality. I have little doubt that contemporary Russian gear can detect an Ohio if its in the neighbourhood; given that they weren't undetectable even in the 90s. Nigh invisible in 1985 is a long way from being invisible in 2025.

Not that it matters. The general theme of your post is accurate.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Is Axios a messenger? By at least one major survey, it’s left of CNN. I don’t shoot messengers I pay no attention to. Waste of ammunition

The same news, different link. Better?

I'll give him credit: he's consistent, with firing people if he doesn't like what they say...

Trump orders termination of labor statistics official after jobs report and downward revisions

Trump criticizes July jobs report showing only 74,000 jobs added and announces plan to fire Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner Erika McEntarfar.

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[mdwest]

The Ohio class has been "sunk" in exercise by conventionally powered boats on a number of occasions, Swedes, Norwegians, and Canadians.

Got a link or some sort of verifiable reference?

Im looking and have pretty good access to some tools most others dont have access to.. and cant find any evidence of that at all..

It is entirely possible Im not putting in the correct inputs to find what Im looking for though..

The only reference I find thats even remotely close was of a Canadian sub breaching a carriers defense systems and "torpedoing" a US carrier.. but that was in 1981.. There is also a reference to Sweden sinking the USS Reagan with one of their submarines during a training exercise during a more recent war game... Theres nothing at all on Norway besting the US Navy to any notable degree that I see..

Theres nothing on an Ohio class sub getting bested by anyone in either the public domain or the private domains I have access to that I can find..

FWIW, I have a team of people that design, build, and then supervise theater level war games for the US military. They have worked for us for the last 9 years.

 

[Brent in Az]

Got a link or some sort of verifiable reference?

Im looking and have pretty good access to some tools most others dont have access to.. and cant find any evidence of that at all..

It is entirely possible Im not putting in the correct inputs to find what Im looking for though..

The only reference I find thats even remotely close was of a Canadian sub breaching a carriers defense systems and "torpedoing" a US carrier.. but that was in 1981.. There is also a reference to Sweden sinking the USS Reagan with one of their submarines during a training exercise during a more recent war game... Theres nothing at all on Norway besting the US Navy to any notable degree that I see..

Theres nothing on an Ohio class sub getting bested by anyone in either the public domain or the private domains I have access to that I can find..

FWIW, I have a team of people that design, build, and then supervise theater level war games for the US military. They have worked for us for the last 9 years.

What????? You didnt watch the movie "Down Periscope"?........LOL

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Mostly stuff that had just trickled out on Navweaps and industry news and the like, but if you have the team you do they should have tangential awareness - it's popped up enough over the years and I don't think it's particularly contentious at this point. Last one I think related to an SSBN was a Swede boat that I can recall.

My real schooling was an industry event with a fellow who had done his doctoral work in the US (geospatial archaeology, which moved to more practical post-doctoral work in mineral exploration) who was forced to return to Canada and complete his work at McGill after having research stunted under the Invention Secrecy Act.

His thinking was that while oceans are unexplored, anything of note and thousands of tons of displacement was easily identifiable in the perfect contrast medium of vast empty ocean down to a few hundred metres. And he pointed to the resurgence of interest in ICBMs, hypersonic missiles, and even potential orbital platforms in the last decade as a side effect. As it turns out technology designed to detect, catalogue, analyze, and identify disturbances in soil and magnetic anomalies in soil and coastal areas has its uses.

But it makes sense: When medieval era settlement and older smelting at settlements can be identified from orbit via MAD-ish technologies, hope of hiding in oceans seems like a fools errand. The volume of data was previously an issue, but computational power and analysis had risen to the challenge (and I suspect AI these days as well) and it was likely well trodden ground.

On a related note, I suspect that we'll end up finding out in twenty years that much of the AI related "innovations" had been in use in some form for a decade prior in defense or national security.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

What????? You didnt watch the movie "Down Periscope"?........LOL

I choose to believe that Kelsey Grammar does have Welcome Aboard tattooed on his penis.

 

[Brent in Az]

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Last one I think related to an SSBN was a Swede boat that I can recall.

Sorry and to clarify, was something more recent than the Gotland one you mentioned in 2005. I was deep down a rabbit hole when South Korea offered boats to Canada in the last few months looking at all manner of diesel and AIP boats.

 

[Red Leg]

The Ohio class has been "sunk" in exercise by conventionally powered boats on a number of occasions, Swedes, Norwegians, and Canadians.

Most of the mythos of being undetectable is driven by Tom Clancy, not reality. I have little doubt that contemporary Russian gear can detect an Ohio if its in the neighbourhood; given that they weren't undetectable even in the 90s. Nigh invisible in 1985 is a long way from being invisible in 2025.

Not that it matters. The general theme of your post is accurate.

Not an Ohio class.

Carrier battle groups are another thing entirely. The Reagan battle group was successfully penetrated by a Swedish Gotland class boat in 2005. A Dutch Walrus class boat successfully “attacked” the Roosevelt in 1999.

It unlikely a diesel electric boat could survive to reach an Ohio launch operational area.

 

[cwpayton]

Guess I'll end up with a Casio or Timex

wow yow, was going To fly over and pick-up a couple of Rolex watches, but don't want to miss the yard sales down the road this weekend. one of them was a guy who used to work at Timex ,has a nice selection of seconds, new in box, and if they don't work heck they're right twice a day anyway...

 

[Altitude sickness]

Speaking of Submarines. 67 years ago the Nautilus made Sub history.

My maternal Grandfather had a contract with the US Navy. His bearings were on the Nautilus. The 1st Nuke Sub

 

[SaintPanzer]

Not an Ohio class.

Carrier battle groups are another thing entirely. The Reagan battle group was successfully penetrated by a Swedish Gotland class boat in 2005. A Dutch Walrus class boat successfully “attacked” the Roosevelt in 1999.

It unlikely a diesel electric boat could survive to reach an Ohio launch operational area.

Wait, what? USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) did not depart on her first operational deployment until 4 Jan 2006...

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[Altitude sickness]

Wait, what? USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) did not depart on her first operational deployment until 4 Jan 2006...

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www.airpac.navy.mil

Training ops and deployment are not the same. A deployment for a carrier group would be 6-10 months. Usually in a hostile environment to project sea power.

A training op, working with other nations would be weeks long. Sea trials and various hurdles, training regimen must be successful before a carrier goes on its first deployment.

 

[Tbitty]

Doesn't make sense to use their own money for something they can't own, unless they want to spend $200m on a legacy build.
Chuck Schumer is already whining about it

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"which she said will be funded by Trump and other private donors" is a direct quote from the link above. FWIW

 

[Brent in Az]

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"which she said will be funded by Trump and other private donors" is a direct quote from the link above. FWIW

I know that, but I still cant wrap my head around why? Maybe some quid pro quo going on?

 

[Tbitty]

He just wants to be able to say that the Whitehouse has big balls.

I've got big balls, oh, I've got big balls
And they're such big balls, dirty big balls
And he's got big balls and she's got big balls
But we've got the biggest balls of them all

 

[Tbitty]

I know that, but I still cant wrap my head around why? Maybe some quid pro quo going on?

I think its his ego going for a legacy thing. A version of a "Trump Tower" permanently attached to the White House.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I know that, but I still cant wrap my head around why? Maybe some quid pro quo going on?

Legacy? As was mentioned via a balls joke, I expect he likes the idea of every future president having to use the Trump Ballroom.

 

[Brent in Az]

Legacy? As was mentioned via a balls joke, I expect he likes the idea of every future president having to use the Trump Ballroom.

The Dems hate him so much, they will probably destroy it if they win the Whitehouse.

 

[jruby]

Speaking of Submarines. 67 years ago the Nautilus made Sub history.

My maternal Grandfather had a contract with the US Navy. His bearings were on the Nautilus. The 1st Nuke Sub

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I was on the USS Seawolf SSN 575 out of Mare Island from 1981 through 1986. We used parts that were made for the Nautilus and Thresher on the wolf. They were mostly parts that were left over ( not used). Miss the old Horse and Cow on Tenesse Street. Home away from the barracks.