Politics

[mdwest]

I dont think the theory that POTUS is on "the list" holds any water..

If so the FBI is so leaky there is no way in hell that someone in the NY Field Office didn't already send it to Chuck Schumer and others... and there is no way in hell Schumer doesn't cash in that chip immediately to his own political advantage.. unless he himself is also on the list...

Schumer and others would sacrifice every other liberal, donor, democrat, etc on the list.. even if they outnumbered conservatives 10:1 just to be able to hang Trump out to dry... Theyve already gone the impeachment route, weaponization of the courts route, etc.. nothing on earth is more valuable to them..

I think the issue is everyone else on "the list" (whether there is an actual written list, or just documentation of who was trafficked, who was partaking in the trafficking, etc across a wide swath of evidence, etc.. we know there is documentation of some sort out there.. Epstien and his side kick were both convicted on that evidence, which we know included names, witnesses, etc).. My guess is they have at this point simply determined the juice isn't worth the squeeze.. too many people aligned with one side will have to get executed to get at the same or similar number of people on the other side..

I honestly could care less if we're ever shown "the list" or not..

My beef is don't make month after month after month commitments to do something.. and then treat the American people like idiots and now claim what you have promised doesn't exist..

If it didn't exist, it didn't take 6 months to figure that out..

If it does exist.. just be honest and say "yeah.. about that list.. Its not in the American peoples interest to release it.. and if you don't like it.. well, it sucks to be you..."..

Have some balls and have some integrity..

At this point I have zero faith in anything Bondi says moving forward.. and less faith in pretty much everyone that's been involved in the whole debacle.. clearly they have some truthfulness problems..

 

[Wheels]

Regarding Epstein. Did Patel and Bongino turn over everything the fbi had. Probably so. They have egg on their face for publicly calling out for that information to be released for years and saying there is evidence there. I don’t really care much for Bondi but she has handled the entire situation poorly. The first release a few months back she said everything was released and she didn’t have a clue about the prior Epstein case in Miami in the early 2000’s or why that DOJ information wasn’t released.

Alex Acosta as USA for southern Florida had a case against Epstein in the early 2000’s on some under age sex charges. In Senate testimony when he was up for Sec of Labor in Trumps first term he was asked about the Epstein case and was crucified for not prosecuting it fully. Acosta said he was told by higher ups in DOJ not to prosecute Epstein because Epstein was above his pay grade. Acosta turned over some material to the State Courts who got a plea on some of the charges as I recall. Acosta actually has a pretty good reputation. I find it odd that the only federal individual who actually tried to prosecute Epstein is also the only one lambasted for trying.

Epstein was supposed to be this big time Wall Street trading billionaire. When asked around the time of Epstein’s death, no one on Wall Street knew of Epstein as a trader or could remember any trades with or against him. The real question for me is where did the money come from.

There was never going to be videos with underage girls released. If there isn’t enough evidence to indict or prosecute then I’m glad a list of names isn’t being released. That’s not the American way of Justice.

This doesn’t mean strange stuff didn’t go on. Just that the info doesn’t reside within the DOJ or FBI.

 

[Wheels]

I dont think the theory that POTUS is on "the list" holds any water..

If so the FBI is so leaky there is no way in hell that someone in the NY Field Office didn't already send it to Chuck Schumer and others... and there is no way in hell Schumer doesn't cash in that chip immediately to his own political advantage.. unless he himself is also on the list...

Schumer and others would sacrifice every other liberal, donor, democrat, etc on the list.. even if they outnumbered conservatives 10:1 just to be able to hang Trump out to dry... Theyve already gone the impeachment route, weaponization of the courts route, etc.. nothing on earth is more valuable to them..

I think the issue is everyone else on "the list" (whether there is an actual written list, or just documentation of who was trafficked, who was partaking in the trafficking, etc across a wide swath of evidence, etc.. we know there is documentation of some sort out there.. Epstien and his side kick were both convicted on that evidence, which we know included names, witnesses, etc).. My guess is they have at this point simply determined the juice isn't worth the squeeze.. too many people aligned with one side will have to get executed to get at the same or similar number of people on the other side..

I honestly could care less if we're ever shown "the list" or not..

My beef is don't make month after month after month commitments to do something.. and then treat the American people like idiots and now claim what you have promised doesn't exist..

If it didn't exist, it didn't take 6 months to figure that out..

If it does exist.. just be honest and say "yeah.. about that list.. Its not in the American peoples interest to release it.. and if you don't like it.. well, it sucks to be you..."..

Have some balls and have some integrity..

At this point I have zero faith in anything Bondi says moving forward.. and less faith in pretty much everyone that's been involved in the whole debacle.. clearly they have some truthfulness problems..

I agree with you here.

If I recall correctly, Trump is on one flight manafest of Epstein’s from palm beach to nyc. Evidently trumps plane broke down and he hitched a ride.

If Trump had been on a flight manafest to Little Saint James you could rest assured Galand/DOJ would have leaked it with all the other law fare mounted against Trump.

Bondi has handled this poorly. She may be Trumps weakest appointment.

 

[John Wasmuth]

I still think that if Trump was on the “list”I’m pretty sure it would have been made public.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Is there any hope for Britain/Europe?

 

[wesheltonj]

Even if Trump was on the list, I don't think the powers that be would have used it. Too many other folks, who could not afford to have their name exposed.. Kind of difficult to only release only one on the list without releasing others there would be too much demand for the rest of the list.

 

[deewayne2003]

Anything is possible I suppose. I think if he was on it we would’ve known about it by now. My money is on her getting ahead of herself

My money is on protecting the image of Israel, how would it look if Mossad was involved with Epstein?

 

[Rifleman97]

I had left out Apollo since I feel it’s in a different league from 9/11 but it does have a few similarities as far as difficulty maintaining the conspiracy would have.

11 of the 12 men who walked on the moon had military backgrounds. Eleven had been Boy Scouts with two being Eagle Scouts. Not a group for which lying would be natural.

Of course, honorable men can lie for a noble cause but was this cause noble enough? Perhaps some bigwig comes and says, “we need to fake a moon landing in order to beat the russkies and win the Cold War.” Okay, let’s say they all agree to it to save America from communism and that’s their sacrifice, a little honor traded for victory.

Fast forward to 1992 and the Cold War ends. Somehow, miraculously, everyone involved in Apollo, from the scientists to the astronauts, to the key grip on the set where they filmed it, had kept their mouths closed and even tricked the Russians into acknowledging that the moon landing was real.

Why keep it up at that point? Surely after all this time someone would spill the beans. Four of the twelve astronauts are still alive today. There have been no death bed confessions, no tell all cash grabs, no leaks in a catholic confession booth.

And this is not 9/11 we’re talking about. Nobody involved will face a tribunal for mass murder. Yet everyone involved in Apollo, to a man, from the top to the bottom, is proud to have been part of it and the Russians, who had the best motive (then and now) and the smarts to disprove an American moon landing acknowledge it, to this day!

It just doesn’t work on any level.

Biggest proof the moon landing was not faked is that our best hope would be for Russia to keep wasting their money bankrupting themselves on a moon landing. If Americans faked it the Russians would have denied it, and America wouldn’t get to use the program to out economy the Russians. With America landing on the moon we did it for pride of country. Russia admitted they lost and stopped spending so much money on their space program.

There’s also the physical evidence left on the moon that, as of 2016, you can literally measure for yourself with minimal equipment. They left a reflector there that reflects back in the direction of the light’s emission. You can shine a laser at the moon and get nothing back, point it at the detector, and get a reading something like 1-2 seconds later, which, given the speed of light, is the exact distance of the moon. We did it in high school physics class with stuff we bought on eBay for cheap.

The Russians had the capability to measure large objects and their position in earth orbit, if we didn’t land on the moon, they would have shouted denying it within a day.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

My money is on protecting the image of Israel, how would it look if Mossad was involved with Epstein?

That would not look good but I doubt it.

 

[shootist~]

My money is on protecting the image of Israel, how would it look if Mossad was involved with Epstein?

Or he was a source for the CIA, Or, or...

Guessing you younger guys will find out in about 50 years. Bet it's a shocker!

 

[Ray B]

I doubt that Khamenei is on the flight list- unless Epstein had taken up goat farming.

 

[Brent in Az]

Dragged out of your home, and sent to the front lines? Sounds a little barbaric.

INSANE: Ukrainian Citizens Terrified of Forced Mobilization CHEER as Russian Strikes Target Recruitment Centers – Neo-Nazi Goes on TV To Denounce It as ‘High Treason’ (VIDEOS) | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

Ukrainians are cheering the attacks and tipping Russian channels on about Recruitment Centers’ locations.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Brent in Az]

6 secret service agents connected to the Butler assassination attempt of Trump have been suspended.
In the non-federal world, incompetent people usually get fired.

 

[roverandbrew]

Dragged out of your home, and sent to the front lines? Sounds a little barbaric.

INSANE: Ukrainian Citizens Terrified of Forced Mobilization CHEER as Russian Strikes Target Recruitment Centers – Neo-Nazi Goes on TV To Denounce It as ‘High Treason’ (VIDEOS) | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

Ukrainians are cheering the attacks and tipping Russian channels on about Recruitment Centers’ locations.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Sounds a little cowardly someone has to come looking for you when your nation is at war. Also sounds a little like Russian propaganda.

 

[Brent in Az]

Sounds a little cowardly someone has to come looking for you when your nation is at war. Also sounds a little like Russian propaganda.

Sending untrained people out to be cannon fodder.
Certainly no reason for forced volunteer's to be upset with that

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Sounds a little cowardly someone has to come looking for you when your nation is at war. Also sounds a little like Russian propaganda.

Yea when your country is literally in a fight for its very existence you would think actual men would need little encouragement to get involved. Anyone who isn’t crucial for the functioning of the civil side of things I guess.

I’d go so far as to say that any able bodied man that wouldn’t volunteer under those circumstances is no man at all and not worth having around in the first place.

 

[Mekaniks]

Dragged out of your home, and sent to the front lines? Sounds a little barbaric.

INSANE: Ukrainian Citizens Terrified of Forced Mobilization CHEER as Russian Strikes Target Recruitment Centers – Neo-Nazi Goes on TV To Denounce It as ‘High Treason’ (VIDEOS) | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

Ukrainians are cheering the attacks and tipping Russian channels on about Recruitment Centers’ locations.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Draft dodgers

 

[Red Leg]

Sending untrained people out to be cannon fodder.
Certainly no reason for forced volunteer's to be upset with that

Actually the Ukrainian troops receive fairly extensive training for a nation in the midst of a war. They all go through eight weeks of basic training and then, depending on specialty, go through an advanced training course. They are then incorporated into training companies within active battalions on the front so that they are not thrown immediately into combat. The latter is something we don't do, but is common in many European armies.

However, what you are describing is exactly what happens to the typical Russian recruit who receives between 5 and 30 days depending upon specialty.

A Russian infantryman gets a uniform, a rifle, and a few days to of indoctrination. A new tank gunner might get 30 days. In contrast a newly minted US tank gunner requires 22 weeks. A Ukrainian tank gunner goes through six to eight weeks of basic training and then, depending on the platform (T-72, Leopard, Challenger, etc) and additional 6-8 weeks specialized training.

I read the "Gateway Pundit," but I read it like I do "Revolver," to get the extreme right wing position on issues. Both have narratives to spin to a specific noncritical online audience. GP has consistently taken a stand both questioning and often opposing US support and particularly any funding for Ukraine. Serran's article is typical of those that spin a negative view of Ukraine. It is great confirmation bias material.

 

[Brent in Az]

Actually the Ukrainian troops receive fairly extensive training for a nation in the midst of a war. They all go through eight weeks of basic training and then, depending on specialty, go through an advanced training course. They are then incorporated into training companies within active battalions on the front so that they are not thrown immediately into combat. The latter is something we don't even do.

However, what you are describing is exactly what happens to the typical Russian recruit who receives between 5 and 30 days depending upon specialty.

A Russian infantryman gets a uniform, a rifle, and a few days to of indoctrination. A new tank gunner might get 30 days. In contrast a newly minted US tank gunner requires 22 weeks. A Ukrainian tank gunner goes through six to eight weeks of basic training and then, depending on the platform (T-72, Leopard, Challenger, etc) and additional 6-8 weeks specialized training.

I read the "Gateway Pundit," but I read it like I do "Revolver," to get the extreme right wing position on issues. Both have narratives to spin to a specific noncritical online audience. GP has consistently taken a stand both questioning and often opposing US support and particularly any funding for Ukraine. Serran's article is typical of those that spin a negative view of Ukraine. It is great confirmation bias material.

I hear you.
I think every able citizen, regardless of country, should hopefully being willing to do their part in defense of their freedom, in whatever capacity they can. No question there.
I simply detest government overreach, and draconian enforcement methods.

 

[steve white]

Fox reported a poll listing Crockett ahead of Cornyn in the Senate race in Texas...I fear the uninformed younger vote in days to come.