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Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson (or Chatsworth as Rush Limbaugh preferred to sarcastically refer to him) has completely lost his mind. Then again, as a Putin stooge perhaps he is required to support Russia's allies as well.

There is, unfortunately, a neo-isolationist movement in this country that simply laps up this sort of hysteria.


These are a few of Tucker's observations over the last few days as they appeared on X and elsewhere. Copied for those who do not have an X account.

"It’s worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East, and cost the United States tens of billions of dollars. The cost of future acts of terrorism on American soil may be even higher. Those aren’t guesses. Those are the Pentagon’s own estimates. (I seem to have missed that). A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America’s war. Don’t let the propagandists lie to you."

"It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb, or has plans to. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already.Iran knows this, which is why they aren’t building one. Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him. Iran’s leaders saw that happen. They learned the obvious lesson."
(Perhaps it is just me, but the second half of this nonsense seems to refute the first part).

"A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his (Trump's) supporters. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for it."

"Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at US military installations in the Gulf, as well as at our allies and at critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. It could also collapse our economy, as surging oil prices trigger unmanageable inflation. Consider the effects of $30 gasoline."

"While it’s often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We’d lose." :oops:


As I read that last quote, I admit I was spellbound for a moment imagining the armed forces of Southern Africa, Southeast Asia, and India led by the remnants of the mighty Russian Army advancing in lockstep against the US and its allies (assuming Trump hasn't run them all off).
Carlson is a complete nut job. His propaganda tour of Russia a while back is etched in my memory. He is at the least an ignorant idiot and at worst intentionally intellectually dishonest. Not a serious person who is grounded in reality. Not a credible source of information.
 
Seems like a B2 strike with MOP ordnance is the way to go...thus eliminate whats left of Irans nuclear program..
 
Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson (or Chatsworth as Rush Limbaugh preferred to sarcastically refer to him) has completely lost his mind. Then again, as a Putin stooge perhaps he is required to support Russia's allies as well.

There is, unfortunately, a neo-isolationist movement in this country that simply laps up this sort of hysteria.


These are a few of Tucker's observations over the last few days as they appeared on X and elsewhere. Copied for those who do not have an X account.

"It’s worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East, and cost the United States tens of billions of dollars. The cost of future acts of terrorism on American soil may be even higher. Those aren’t guesses. Those are the Pentagon’s own estimates. (I seem to have missed that). A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America’s war. Don’t let the propagandists lie to you."

"It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb, or has plans to. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already.Iran knows this, which is why they aren’t building one. Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him. Iran’s leaders saw that happen. They learned the obvious lesson."
(Perhaps it is just me, but the second half of this nonsense seems to refute the first part).

"A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his (Trump's) supporters. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for it."

"Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at US military installations in the Gulf, as well as at our allies and at critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. It could also collapse our economy, as surging oil prices trigger unmanageable inflation. Consider the effects of $30 gasoline."

"While it’s often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We’d lose." :oops:


As I read that last quote, I admit I was spellbound for a moment imagining the armed forces of Southern Africa, Southeast Asia, and India led by the remnants of the mighty Russian Army advancing in lockstep against the US and its allies (assuming Trump hasn't run them all off).
Tucker has either lost his mind completely, or he is on the payroll of the Kremlin. I can’t believe that any thinking person would give an ounce of credence to his blathering.
 
Put you back in command of a brigade and it would be the modern ground war equivalent to the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot!

Can you imagine the carnage if those militaries took on our lads and ladies??? Let’s hope we never see it. I don’t want to see young men and women killed by the hundreds of thousands even if they are fighting for the enemy.
 
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This is pretty ugly. Apparently, the police have obtained the shooter's manifesto which included a list of targeted state politicians, so the motive should be public fairly soon. Both spouses were also shot. Looks like it could break one of two ways - this was a rightwing zealot hunting democrats, or a left wing zealot hunting democrats who may not have sup[ported providing state funded healthcare for illegals.

 
A solution to the illegal alien problem, is to deny them jobs and housing.
E-verify for both.
Wasn't that part of the amnesty deal back in '86?
 
Looping back to the Iran topic for a moment.

I can't help but think that this is an excellent case study on the importance of US 'soft power', and why it matters.

The US wants to stop Iran from being a problem.

The US has some military options to do so, but as I dug into in post #31,243 in this thread, I don't think a full on military solution (i.e boots on the ground, occupation, 'winning conventionally') is really viable. Capability wise, it certainly is, but in terms of getting a good result, getting the support to do it politically, from a cost/benefit assessment, it is not.

So, you pivot to 'softer' means.

The 'least soft power' option that is realistically on the table, is military support of Israel. Intelligence assets, training, logistics support, donation of materiel, possibly strategic level support functions (e.g B2s), maybe air space interdiction or anti-missile operations (i.e a carrier group), possibly a naval embargo.

I think at least a little bit of that 'solve' will be used, depending on how Iran reacts in the coming weeks. But it's an expensive option, it increases tensions, and it's potentially a costly one from a casualties perspective as well. So it's not likely to be the first or only resort.

Another option to consider is to to degrade Iranian military supply chains, something that the US has actually, despite the efforts of the current administration, done already.

How so? Well, here's a summary from our friendly Robot overlords on Iran's import partners:

Iran primarily acquires weapons from Russia, China, and North Korea, while also developing its own domestic military industry. Historically, the United States was a major supplier, but that changed after the Iranian Revolution. Iran has also been known to export some military equipment, including to Syria and Sudan.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • China:
    China is another major supplier of weapons and military technology to Iran, including platforms and dual-use technologies.
  • North Korea:
    North Korea has also been a source of arms and related technology for Iran.

  • Domestic Industry:
    Iran has invested heavily in developing its own domestic military industry, producing tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles, fighter jets, and submarines.

  • Historical US Role:
    Before the 1979 revolution, the US was a major arms supplier to Iran.

  • Other Suppliers:
    While not as prominent as the main three, Iran has also sourced weapons from other countries, including Brazil.
Russia and North Korea aren't exactly in a position to sell a lot of weapons to Iran right now. Can't imagine why...

China probably still is, but they now know that the US and Europe are willing to respond to these situations, so it's probably 'less appealing' for them to get too stuck in either. If it's not going to lead to a 'win', but instead just be a massive proxy war with NATO, maybe you sit it out. There's historical precedent for that idea for sure.

What else can the US do? Well, now you're firmly into pure soft power options.

Economic sanctions and embargoes are always something to consider. But the US has very little influence 'alone'; the US doesn't export much to Iran in the first place. To really give that idea teeth, they need to rope in some allies.

@steve white mentioned food supplies as an option. It's a good insight. Iran doesn't have sufficient internal production there, and a war where your troops and your populace can't eat... is a short war.

So who needs to be 'on board' to meaningfully impact Iranian food supplies?

Let's ask our friends at Skynet again:

Iran is a significant importer of food products, with various countries supplying different types of food. The top countries exporting food products to Iran include the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, and the Netherlands. Additionally, countries like China, India, and Germany also contribute to Iran's food imports.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Major Exporters to Iran:
  • Turkey: Turkey is a major exporter of fresh fruits and vegetables, dried fruits and nuts, olive oil, legumes and pulses, processed foods, and bakery and confectionery products according to ebiexport.com.

  • Netherlands: The Netherlands is known for exporting dairy products, meat, and vegetables.

  • China: China is a significant source of food imports for Iran.

  • India: India is a key supplier of rice and tea to Iran according to IranPartner.

  • Germany: Germany exports dairy products, meat, and confectionery items to Iran.
Other notable exporters:
  • Brazil: Brazil exports soybeans, sugar, coffee, and beef to Iran.
  • Switzerland: Switzerland is also among the countries that export food products to Iran.

  • Austria: Austria is a notable exporter of agricultural products to Iran.



Getting the UAE on board is the biggest win (roughly 50% of food exports), but the second biggest win is the EU and the countries in its sphere of influence. Germany, The Netherlands, Austria are all in the EU, Turkey is an EU candidate presently, Switzerland has trade links.

Can't persuade those two partners? Your embargo is meaningless.

NATO is suddenly a useful partner. Relations with the EU suddenly become important. If you want to bring India in on that idea then influence with the commonwealth nations becomes important.

Funny how those second and third order consequences can come back around, ain't it?
 
The Iranians are incapable of detecting the B2 to target it and have no capability to engage a MOB once released. The B2 can carry two. Several B2’s were forward deployed to Diego Garcia a few weeks ago because of this capability among others.

Both the Iranian air defense and Air Force capability is quite outdated. There is a deal in the works to eventually improve both with Russian systems, but Russian production is unable to support much in the way of export at the moment.
I suspect the B2's will be flying sometime after 6-15.
 
On the bright side.
If BiBi pulls this off...and finishes the mission...we very well may have access to prime Markor and Ibex country in the very near future.
Fingers crossed
Cheers
Spike

Bro!! I was literally thinking I might get to hunt Ibex in Iran in my lifetime.
 
This is pretty ugly. Apparently, the police have obtained the shooter's manifesto which included a list of targeted state politicians, so the motive should be public fairly soon. Both spouses were also shot. Looks like it could break one of two ways - this was a rightwing zealot hunting democrats, or a left wing zealot hunting democrats who may not have sup[ported providing state funded healthcare for illegals.


Its really a terrible deal, he was dressed as a police officer and even had a police car. Somehow he was able to escape when confronted at the 2nd house. The press conference said be on the lookout for any cop acting suspicious, and don't answer the door for a single police officer any real police will be in pairs. Really sad.
 

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