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Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.
MAGA will love it.:ROFLMAO:


“Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe – the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry – before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional – the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be … atmospheric.

At some point someone – a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin – will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect – that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fuelled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

Some won’t, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways – some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them.”
 
Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.
MAGA will love it.:ROFLMAO:


“Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe – the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry – before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional – the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be … atmospheric.

At some point someone – a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin – will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect – that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fuelled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

Some won’t, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways – some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them.”
Highly respected by who, you? Seriously, you’ve got to try harder than that.
 
Is the sale of an American steel firm to a Japanese company considered a domestic win?
 
Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.
MAGA will love it.:ROFLMAO:


“Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe – the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry – before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional – the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be … atmospheric.

At some point someone – a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin – will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect – that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fuelled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

Some won’t, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways – some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them.”
Half way through, I thought it might be parody. This is so over the top it should have been published by Babylon Bee. Oh, I have never heard of the author.
 
I’ve been going back through this thread and find the responses very interesting and likely indicative of society in general. There are some here, I like to think that I am one, who try to stay informed and develop balanced opinions based on fact. These folks are generally met with hysterics and name calling, but really no substantive arguments, by the extremes on both end of the spectrum. I have seen the same individuals accused of TDS and being MAGA. Surely we can be better than that? Any grade school bully can function at that level.

Is it possible to have an informed discussion on border policy, tariffs, budgets, etc., or are we doomed to hysterical nonsense?
 
Is it possible to have an informed discussion on border policy, tariffs, budgets, etc., or are we doomed to hysterical nonsense?

Unfortunately the answer is going to be no. Not if the discussion is open to anyone that wishes to comment. If you could choose the participants, then of course.
 
Half way through, I thought it might be parody. This is so over the top it should have been published by Babylon Bee. Oh, I have never heard of the author.
He is a popular political columnist here. But I have found him to be very opinionated but not necessarily objective. He carries himself with the swagger of a person who considers himself much more educated than me.
 
Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.
MAGA will love it.:ROFLMAO:


“Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe – the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry – before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional – the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be … atmospheric.

At some point someone – a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin – will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect – that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fuelled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

Some won’t, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways – some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them.”
 

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I’ve been going back through this thread and find the responses very interesting and likely indicative of society in general. There are some here, I like to think that I am one, who try to stay informed and develop balanced opinions based on fact. These folks are generally met with hysterics and name calling, but really no substantive arguments, by the extremes on both end of the spectrum. I have seen the same individuals accused of TDS and being MAGA. Surely we can be better than that? Any grade school bully can function at that level.

Is it possible to have an informed discussion on border policy, tariffs, budgets, etc., or are we doomed to hysterical nonsense?
I think it really is a form of hysteria. One becomes so vested in an opinion - a tribal opinion - that any deviation is an existential blasphemy that has to be shouted down. Take a twenty minute tour of X and both sides will leave one utterly depressed - whether it is mindless screaming about RINOs or fascists.
 
The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.
When the opening paragraphs start with ad hominem attacks it does not lend itself to convincing others about the bad policies of the subject of discussion. Might as well have played the Hitler card while he was at it.

We all know Trump lacks moral character, that was not why he was elected. Americans said "yes please" because he was the better of the two choices.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fuelled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

An argument can be made about his policies though again, all that hyperbole does not help the author to gain some credibility.

Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.

Respected? Maybe by the r/DemocraticUnderground folks on Reddit. It could have been written by one of them.
 
Do you understand the role of a court? Why do you think courts are the cause of open borders? Do you know what judges and courts do, or do you think they patrol the border in jeeps or decide how to fund border security and priorities? How many of the cases against Trump were successful? Are those cases started by judges or by prosecutors? What do the courts have to do with "leftist degeneracy?

Do you have the first clue of how your own judicial system works or do you just feel aggrieved alot and like to rant?

I really think you are a Russian bot trying to make Americans look bad. Because seriously you make Archie Bunker look measured.
Don’t ask a moron:” do you understand?”…

“Brent out of Arizona” has no other interest than to bring animosities between everybody.
 
Don’t ask a moron:” do you understand?”…

“Brent out of Arizona” has no other interest than to bring animosities between everybody.
I suggest you take a good look in the mirror, before calling someone else a moron......

Brent in Arizona has to constantly defend himself from the the anti Trumpers who constantly gang up on him with stupid retorts, and you accuse me of spreading that animosity ?

Nobody will ever accuse you of being the brightest bulb in the room, Mr. Hypocrite
 
I suggest you take a good look in the mirror, before calling someone else a moron......

Brent in Arizona has to constantly defend himself from the the anti Trumpers who constantly gang up on him with stupid retorts, and you accuse me of spreading that animosity ?

Nobody will ever accuse you of being the brightest bulb in the room, Mr. Hypocrite
Honestly Brent, this really does show quite a shocking lack of self-awareness. I don't say that to insult. Just as a statement of fact.

To demonstrate that, here's a thought exercise for you. You don't have to follow my suggestion of course, but it might be illuminating.

Have a look back over your posts in the politics thread this month. It's easy enough to do, just click the button and have a skim.

Tally up all the insults you've thrown around in that period (it's a lot, you'll need pen and paper), then have a look at the genuinely informative content you've shared. Ask yourself how many times you've posted to genuinely shared information for others to learn, and how many times you've posted just to throw out an insult.

As a follow up for that, have a look how many times you've shared a source, or stated an opinion of your own (not repeating word for word someone else's opinion), and how many times you've shared background info, your own thoughts and background, your own analysis.

I can't help but think that really, it's pretty clear how much you're contributing here, and who is really spreading animosity.

Again, I'm not trying to insult you, just providing a perspective. I'm also sincerely hoping that this might be a bit of a wake up call for you to improve the quality of your posts. Not just to pander to my positions. You don't agree, that's fine. But to actually try and move the conversation forwards, share enough of your own insights that what you say has value, to provide information compelling enough that it might actually persuade some people. To rely on actual facts.

This is to your benefit as much as anyone else's. You have strong opinions, which is great. I respect that a lot. But if you're posting here in the hope that what you share might drive some support for your ideas in this community, that you might promote some alignment, that you might actually make a difference, in educating others to your point of view, then your strategy is not currently effective.

As for your noble application of the victim card against those evil TDS people. Well. I recommend you have a watch of this video. It's on Triggernometry, it's right leaning, so these should be 'your people'. Think critically on what they're saying, and indulge in some introspection. I can certainly see the commonalities in your behavior and that topic, and I think deep down, so might you.


Have a great weekend!
 
Highly respected by who, you? Seriously, you’ve got to try harder than that.
I told him the exact same thing about his memes in the lighter politics thread.

I welcome opposing view points but they have to be humorous or at least relevant.

Most of his posts can be boiled down to….
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Honestly Brent, this really does show quite a shocking lack of self-awareness. I don't say that to insult. Just as a statement of fact.

To demonstrate that, here's a thought exercise for you. You don't have to follow my suggestion of course, but it might be illuminating.

Have a look back over your posts in the politics thread this month. It's easy enough to do, just click the button and have a skim.

Tally up all the insults you've thrown around in that period (it's a lot, you'll need pen and paper), then have a look at the genuinely informative content you've shared. Ask yourself how many times you've posted to genuinely shared information for others to learn, and how many times you've posted just to throw out an insult.

As a follow up for that, have a look how many times you've shared a source, or stated an opinion of your own (not repeating word for word someone else's opinion), and how many times you've shared background info, your own thoughts and background, your own analysis.

I can't help but think that really, it's pretty clear how much you're contributing here, and who is really spreading animosity.

Again, I'm not trying to insult you, just providing a perspective. I'm also sincerely hoping that this might be a bit of a wake up call for you to improve the quality of your posts. Not just to pander to my positions. You don't agree, that's fine. But to actually try and move the conversation forwards, share enough of your own insights that what you say has value, to provide information compelling enough that it might actually persuade some people. To rely on actual facts.

This is to your benefit as much as anyone else's. You have strong opinions, which is great. I respect that a lot. But if you're posting here in the hope that what you share might drive some support for your ideas in this community, that you might promote some alignment, that you might actually make a difference, in educating others to your point of view, then your strategy is not currently effective.

As for your noble application of the victim card against those evil TDS people. Well. I recommend you have a watch of this video. It's on Triggernometry, it's right leaning, so these should be 'your people'. Think critically on what they're saying, and indulge in some introspection. I can certainly see the commonalities in your behavior and that topic, and I think deep down, so might you.


Have a great weekend!
Please be a little more condescending.....
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Wow, this was written by the the highly respected Canadian journalist, Andrew Coyne.
MAGA will love it.:ROFLMAO:

Who exactly respects him?

He is a 65 year old journalist that is hardly known outside of Canada. He has spent almost his entire career writing for Canada specific publications. The last (and only that I can find) award he has received for journalism was in 1994, more than 30 years ago, and was from a Canadian organization..

I’d say his opinion on anything and his journalism resume is about on par with Fozzie Bear…
 

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Honestly Brent, this really does show quite a shocking lack of self-awareness. I don't say that to insult. Just as a statement of fact.

To demonstrate that, here's a thought exercise for you. You don't have to follow my suggestion of course, but it might be illuminating.

Have a look back over your posts in the politics thread this month. It's easy enough to do, just click the button and have a skim.

Tally up all the insults you've thrown around in that period (it's a lot, you'll need pen and paper), then have a look at the genuinely informative content you've shared. Ask yourself how many times you've posted to genuinely shared information for others to learn, and how many times you've posted just to throw out an insult.

As a follow up for that, have a look how many times you've shared a source, or stated an opinion of your own (not repeating word for word someone else's opinion), and how many times you've shared background info, your own thoughts and background, your own analysis.

I can't help but think that really, it's pretty clear how much you're contributing here, and who is really spreading animosity.

Again, I'm not trying to insult you, just providing a perspective. I'm also sincerely hoping that this might be a bit of a wake up call for you to improve the quality of your posts. Not just to pander to my positions. You don't agree, that's fine. But to actually try and move the conversation forwards, share enough of your own insights that what you say has value, to provide information compelling enough that it might actually persuade some people. To rely on actual facts.

This is to your benefit as much as anyone else's. You have strong opinions, which is great. I respect that a lot. But if you're posting here in the hope that what you share might drive some support for your ideas in this community, that you might promote some alignment, that you might actually make a difference, in educating others to your point of view, then your strategy is not currently effective.

As for your noble application of the victim card against those evil TDS people. Well. I recommend you have a watch of this video. It's on Triggernometry, it's right leaning, so these should be 'your people'. Think critically on what they're saying, and indulge in some introspection. I can certainly see the commonalities in your behavior and that topic, and I think deep down, so might you.


Have a great weekend!
Thanks for posting this @Alistair. I was unaware of it (though I am aware of Mr. Kisin) - an excellent piece, and well worth the time.
 

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