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[mdwest]

Canada has a Conservative government in power.
It just doesn't have a populist (like the US), or the Conservative Party of Canada in government. He happens to have run for the LPC after previously turning down an offer to be the Conservative Party of Canada's finance minister the last time they held office.

The idea that a Goldman Sachs investment banker, bank chair, and Chair of Brookfield is somehow not traditionally conservative is a non-sequitur. Not unlike any suggestion that the current pro-tariff, anti-free trade, governing via EO, populist US administration is would be.

But no, Carney is not a US Republican in outlook.

That might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen posted in weeks…

You think by virtue of being an investment banker and large business CEO someone is by default conservative (fiscally, socially, or otherwise)?

I suppose you think Larry Fink, George Soros, and Mark Cuban are all conservatives as well.

Did you bother to even read the definition of political conservatism prior to making that post? Or should we assume you’re just 16 shots into a bottle of rye tonight and have no clue what you’re saying?

You do realize that the current Goldman Sachs CEO is politically neutral (not conservative) and that his predecessor was a registered democrat, big democrat donor and a publicly avowed liberal, correct?.. he was moderately conservative on fiscal issues, but hard left on social issues..

But Carney, by virtue of being a GS exec, must be a conservative?

When you sober up, make that make sense for the rest of us..

 

[LivingTheDream]

regularly uninformed portion of the population

Here is your issue.

For what it is worth China's population is bigger then US, has been saber rattling for years, trade war, stealing technology, manipulating currency, flooding our borders with fentanyl, and we are their biggest trading partner...and I have never given a 2nd thought to anything Xi Jinping has actually said.

You can blame Trump all you want, was he the reason you had Trudeau for 9 years? Was he elected because Obama said nice things. At some point you just have to accept what you want for Canada is not what the other voters of Canada want and no amount of finger pointing will do that. Maybe there will be a conservative politician that finds the right message. Hopefully you guys can maintain local elections and have some influence there.

Trump statements might have gave the Canadian media something to run with, I will give you that. But I can't fantom a large majority of people being so uninformed that they would double down on a no confidence government because of who another country elected. It is really a tail wagging the dog scenario.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

UPDATED: Brookfield secured $250M loan from Bank of China under Carney’s oversight

Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre on Tuesday drew public attention to a report that shows Mark Carney in October while chair of Brookfield Asset Management brokered a deal with Chinese bankers.

www.westernstandard.news

Here’s me showing my work , that’s proof mark carney negotiated a 250 million dollar loan while economic growth chair of Canada under Justin Trudeau.

Further the soonest the public is required to be informed about his assets/holdings/portfolio is possibly July 12th if the dates don’t reset due to the recent election. In the mean time we’ve got a business man with known ties to china negotiating on our behalf with absolutely no idea whom he’s beholden too or what economic gains Brookfield or any other companies he’s involved in stand to make.

Further work shown

To date 67 million has been spent and nothing has been accomplished with another 700 million projected in costs before it is done, all to confiscate property from legal law abiding citizens.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Here is your issue.

For what it is worth China's population is bigger then US, has been saber rattling for years, trade war, stealing technology, manipulating currency, flooding our borders with fentanyl, and we are their biggest trading partner...and I have never given a 2nd thought to anything Xi Jinping has actually said.

You can blame Trump all you want, was he the reason you had Trudeau for 9 years? Was he elected because Obama said nice things. At some point you just have to accept what you want for Canada is not what the other voters of Canada want and no amount of finger pointing will do that. Maybe there will be a conservative politician that finds the right message. Hopefully you guys can maintain local elections and have some influence there.

Trump statements might have gave the Canadian media something to run with, I will give you that. But I can't fantom a large majority of people being so uninformed that they would double down on a no confidence government because of who another country elected. It is really a tail wagging the dog scenario.

China is not on your southern boarder. I’ve said on here many times that one of the major issues is an uniformed portion of the population voting for a change, the liberals also run a very good campaign against poilievre, who for the most part seemed to drop the ball shifting with the ousting of Trudeau and changing dynamics of the election.
But to say that trump didn’t interfere in this election is foolhardy, not only did he interfere he publicly took credit for it? How much more proof do you need than that. Can’t have it both ways the president of the United States can’t be called the leader of the free world when it suits and turn around and say his comments should hold no weight.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Here is your issue.

For what it is worth China's population is bigger then US, has been saber rattling for years, trade war, stealing technology, manipulating currency, flooding our borders with fentanyl, and we are their biggest trading partner...and I have never given a 2nd thought to anything Xi Jinping has actually said.

You can blame Trump all you want, was he the reason you had Trudeau for 9 years? Was he elected because Obama said nice things. At some point you just have to accept what you want for Canada is not what the other voters of Canada want and no amount of finger pointing will do that. Maybe there will be a conservative politician that finds the right message. Hopefully you guys can maintain local elections and have some influence there.

Trump statements might have gave the Canadian media something to run with, I will give you that. But I can't fantom a large majority of people being so uninformed that they would double down on a no confidence government because of who another country elected. It is really a tail wagging the dog scenario.

You never did answer my question if the Mexicans your southern neighbour had a 8.5 to 1 population advantage and the largest military in the world do you think they could effect a u.s. election by questioning the validity of the u.s. boarder durring an election campaign?

 

[steve white]

I think they are waking up to the reality that non occupation really isn't an option unless they want to be doing this again in 5-10 years..

The culture of the Palestinians is such that things arent changing without following one of a couple of different paths.. none of which are appealing..

Mass genocide (not really an option)

Elimination of Iran from the map (not really an option at the moment)

Occupation of Gaza (and potentially the West Bank).. not a great option.. but more appealing than the other two..

My firm has done a good bit of work in both Jordan and Israel directly supporting Palestinian law enforcement (before the Oct 7th attack.. the work was aligned with both Israel and the US State Departments requirements and was paid for by Israel and the USG).. As a result we had cause to interface directly with quite literally thousands of Palestinians (individuals and families).. We also did a significant amount of work in Lebanon.. our people in Beirut supported Lebanese "community oriented policing" activities.. which means they were working inside Palestinian neighborhoods, dealing with Palestinian families, etc routinely....

When a significant number of young palestinain women (perhaps most?) will straight up tell you that their purpose in life is to birth the next generation of martyrs for Hamas/Hezbollah.. and the overwhelming majority of young (military aged) males will straight up tell you their purpose in life is to see the establishment of the Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel... you arent left with a whole lot of options..

While there are exceptions.. and there are certainly Palestinians that simply want to raise their children in a safe place, free of conflict, etc.. that want to make a decent living, put food on the table, and ensure their kids have career opportunities, etc.. The sad reality is their numbers arent nearly significant enough to influence lasting peace...

The war that Israel is currently fighting wont end until Palestinian culture dramatically changes.. Israel can hammer them enough to hit the pause button.. but that's all they would be doing without selecting one of the options above.. once the Palestinans have time to recover, regroup, amass weapons and ammo again, etc.. the fight would be back on... whether the party in charge is called Hamas, Hezbollah, the Palestinian Authority, the PLO, or anything else.. doesn't matter..

And, I might add, if they survive, in their eyes--they win!

 

[CJW]

You never did answer my question if the Mexicans your southern neighbour had a 8.5 to 1 population advantage and the largest military in the world do you think they could effect a u.s. election by questioning the validity of the u.s. boarder durring an election campaign?

Maybe, but it's Mexico. Of course we wouldn’t really trust them. Apples to oranges.

Meanwhile you Canucks are hung up on something that literally started as an off the cuff remark jokingly said in the midst of a conversation between two heads of friendly neighboring countries and was blown up by the liberal media. Trump of course continued to troll you with it because he saw it living under your skin and he's more often than not just an obnoxious 16 yr old boy.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Maybe, but it's Mexico. Of course we wouldn’t really trust them. Apples to oranges.

Meanwhile you Canucks are hung up on something that literally started as an off the cuff remark jokingly said in the midst of a conversation between two heads of friendly neighboring countries and was blown up by the liberal media. Trump of course continued to troll you with it because he saw it living under your skin and he's more often than not just an obnoxious 16 yr old boy.

Regardless if it was said as a joke or not is irrelevant, it wasn’t taken as a one in Canada it was taken as a grave insult. Seeing that it was insulting and having an effect on the election trump continued to drive the message thus influencing an election right up to and including the morning of the election proper. He’s then gone on to take credit for that interference publicly in a joint press event with him and carney. Why are some of you guys unwilling to call it what it is? You all piss and moan when ever there is a hint of election interference in the states yet Canadians are supposed to accept it without saying anything?
@mdwest said it’s to the point that the purchasing of a billboard by someone from another state is considered offensive to Americans.

You say that you wouldn’t trust Mexico , let me then ask you this do you think the rest of the world trusts trump?

 

[spike.t]

Seems the US navy is doing a better job at losing its aircraft themselves than the houthis are managing to do with all their attacks....

A US Navy aircraft carrier in the Red Sea fight just lost a third Super Hornet. The $60 million jet went overboard on landing.

Another F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet fell off the aircraft carrier USS Harry S

africa.businessinsider.com

 

[Altitude sickness]

Seems the US navy is doing a better job at losing its aircraft themselves than the houthis are managing to do with all their attacks....

A US Navy aircraft carrier in the Red Sea fight just lost a third Super Hornet. The $60 million jet went overboard on landing.

Another F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet fell off the aircraft carrier USS Harry S

africa.businessinsider.com

There used to be a recruiting slogan years ago called “Fly Navy”

We got our hands slapped for our version and a take off of the slogan. We had bumper stickers made.
The pilots and Brass were not impressed.

 

[spike.t]

Usual bullshit Russian response to India and Pakistan kicking off .....must be no mirrors in the kremlin......

Pakistan says Indian air strikes killed 26 and vows response, as Delhi says 10 killed by Pakistan shelling - latest

India hit several sites after an attack last month which killed tourists in Indian-administered Kashmir.

www.bbc.com

 

[Altitude sickness]

They usually sent one of our teams to go get the jet and pilot if need be. Or at least destroy it if it was too deep to retrieve.

 

[Red Leg]

Maybe, but it's Mexico. Of course we wouldn’t really trust them. Apples to oranges.

Meanwhile you Canucks are hung up on something that literally started as an off the cuff remark jokingly said in the midst of a conversation between two heads of friendly neighboring countries and was blown up by the liberal media. Trump of course continued to troll you with it because he saw it living under your skin and he's more often than not just an obnoxious 16 yr old boy.

Agreed. Why on earth should a great nation have to put up with a fifteen- year-old in charge of its government. The answer is of course because of the alternative - but it does not speak well of us. Somewhat like saying Caligula isn’t so bad compared to Nero.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Seems the US navy is doing a better job at losing its aircraft themselves than the houthis are managing to do with all their attacks....

A US Navy aircraft carrier in the Red Sea fight just lost a third Super Hornet. The $60 million jet went overboard on landing.

Another F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet fell off the aircraft carrier USS Harry S

africa.businessinsider.com

Not an excuse, but the aircraft carrier, Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) has been deployed since September of last year. Typical deployments are six months. So a contributing factor to all these mishaps is probably crew fatigue. The US Navy is short on operational carriers, with a few in maintenance, end of life retirements, and new construction not being fully funded.

 

[mdwest]

Agreed. Why on earth should a great nation have to put up with a fifteen- year-old in charge of its government. The answer is of course because of the alternative - but it does not speak well of us. Somewhat like saying Caligula isn’t so bad compared to Nero.

Sadly this has been a trend in US politics for quite some time now..

Obama likely would not have ever gotten into office.. but Romney was such a poor alternative that it opened the door for him..

Trump wouldn’t have gotten elected the first time… but Hillary was an absolute non starter for most of the country..

By the end of Trumps first term the D’s could have run bobo the chimp and won.. people were so tired of the antics any alternative was better…

And either a second term of Biden or a first term with Harris was such a bad option that even Trump could secure the office again..

Americans as a whole don’t vote for a candidate anymore.. they vote against the other side…

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

By the end of Trumps first term the D’s could have run bobo the chimp and won.. people were so tired of the antics any alternative was better…

bobo the chimp wasn't available at the time, so plan b was Biden.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Not an excuse, but the aircraft carrier, Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) has been deployed since September of last year. Typical deployments are six months. So a contributing factor to all these mishaps is probably crew fatigue. The US Navy is short on operational carriers, with a few in maintenance, end of life retirements, and new construction not being fully funded.

I get you’re trying to cut them some slack and not badmouth people deployed.

but six months really is not that long and not a good excuse. and I’m sure the Navy will see it the same way. If someone isn’t relieved while on deployment, they will be when they get home.

military officers are held to a much higher standard than our politicians and are held accountable.

 

[steve white]

Yup Shouldn't let them in in first place.....and clean out the ones that got in......

Well, you'd better hurry the Hell up before you are too outnumbered to get it done.

 

[steve white]

Apparently, the cost of deportation per person is 17k. A airline ticket and 1K is a bargain if that's true. I doubt they have many, if any takers.

They need to set up some positive examples--let some who leave back in legally and then advertise that it actually worked.

 

[WAB]

Canada has a Conservative government in power.
It just doesn't have a populist (like the US), or the Conservative Party of Canada in government. He happens to have run for the LPC after previously turning down an offer to be the Conservative Party of Canada's finance minister the last time they held office.

The idea that a Goldman Sachs investment banker, bank chair, and Chair of Brookfield is somehow not traditionally conservative is a non-sequitur. Not unlike any suggestion that the current pro-tariff, anti-free trade, governing via EO, populist US administration is would be.

But no, Carney is not a US Republican in outlook.

You and I have different definitions of Conservative.