Politics

[mdwest]

but blatantly interfering in an election was wrong with no way to spin it.

Completely agree…

We get pissed off down here with outside entities play games with our elections… we don’t even like it when people in one US state send money or pay for ads in another state to try to influence things… and we get livid over foreign influence… we’re generally not even very tolerant of foreign opinions on our politics…

If I were a conservative Canadian… I’d be absolutely livid at both Trump and the typical Canadian voter that fell victim to his game (thereby screwing the rest of the country in the process)…

 

[Wheels]

Is lutnick really that great? Bessent seems to be “better”

Lutnik is excellent. Just overshadowed by possibly the best Treasury Secretary america has ever had.

 

[mdwest]

So the long and short of it is with a Chinese sympathizer in power were well and truely shafted on the trade front. While also shafted on resource development by his green agenda and carbon policies, if that wasn’t enough fun for one government we get the shaft yet again on firearms policies Dark days for Canada.

Sadly, I think you may be right…

I’d love to think Carney just has a different world view than you or I.. and that he’d act in what he truly believes is in Canada’s best interest..

But nothing I’m reading or seeing convinces me of that… I get the impression that politics is just another means for him to feed his desire for limelight and riches (like most politicians unfortunately)…

I hope I’m wrong… I’m of the opinion that a strong (economically and militarily) and conservative Canada is good for the US…

I’d much rather have a strong and loyal smaller brother to share a border with… than a weak and angry unrelated guy on my border..

 

[LivingTheDream]

Some of it is language as well conversationally there is as much French as English used in n.s. Speaking frenglish doesn’t lend itself to intelligent conversation.

No worries, I am just use to other world leaders/governments not liking the US. It would never occur to me that another world leader running his mouth would have any influence on how I voted.

I also find it hard to fault Trump with election interference when you provide screenshots of Chinese robocallers.

I also don't find it wise to judge a whole group of people based on their leader, or what their leader says.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

No worries, I am just use to other world leaders/governments not liking the US. It would never occur to me that another world leader running his mouth would have any influence on how I voted.

I also find it hard to fault Trump with election interference when you provide screenshots of Chinese robocallers.

I also don't find it wise to judge a whole group of people based on their leader, or what their leader says.

We’ll him taking credit for it in a joint press event with him and carney makes it awfully hard to deny his interfering does it?

 

[LivingTheDream]

We’ll him taking credit for it in a joint press event with him and carney makes it awfully hard to deny his interfering does it?

For what it is worth he takes credit for everything.

 

[mdwest]

I also don't find it wise to judge a whole group of people based on their leader, or what their leader says.

Lots of truth in that statement…

Trudeau was a disaster in every possible way… I have a good number of Canadian friends and at one time worked with a pretty good number of Canadian military folks… and have really enjoyed spending time in Canada.. to include during the Trudeau years… I never let my distaste for Trudeau influence my opinion of Canadians (other than questioning how can this idiot continue to stay in office???)

The same is true for South Africa… some of my dearest friends are South Africans.. and South Africa is one of my favorite places on earth… Zuma and Ramaposa don’t change my opinion of the people or the country at large.. I just think they are in a shitty situation where shitty leaders continue to lead despite everyone in the country knowing they are shit…

This is even true of the handful of Russians I’ve known over the years… Putin is an absolute stain on society as far as I’m concerned… but I’ve still had great experiences in Moscow both times I’ve visited.. and still very much enjoyed bullshitting around with the muscovites I worked with while there…

I find that good people are good people.. and shitty people are shitty people.. no matter where they are from or who their leaders are..

Shitty leaders end up in power for a variety of reasons… Trump, Carney, Trudeau, Zuma, and Putin all got into office (as have hundreds of others) despite a significant number of their country’s population detesting them…

 

[LivingTheDream]

We’ll him taking credit for it in a joint press event with him and carney makes it awfully hard to deny his interfering does it?

I still don't see how he interfere, he didn't make robocalls, he didn't stuff ballots or suspend rules.

He talked shit and apparently that became the #1 issue for a majority of Canadians. That is unfortunate for you guys.

Look it happen here too, people didn't like his mean tweets so we voted for a vegetable. Trump running his mouth isn't election interference, no matter how much credit he takes (which again I believe is done to agitate you guys instead of actually thinking about what he is saying).

Its like arguing with Latina, she starts the argument with something so illogical, so defamatory, so crazy that you focus on that, instead of whatever this issue is.

 

[mdwest]

Its like arguing with Latina, she starts the argument with something so illogical, so defamatory, so crazy that you focus on that, instead of whatever this issue is.

My starter wife was an Italian… they use the same tactics and strategy lol…

 

[Royal27]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919851856546660397

 

[Safari Dave]

That is exactly why the Democrats have allowed and don’t want deported tens of millions of illegal immigrants. EVERYONE is counted in a U.S. Census. The next is 2030

• “”Redistricting:
  After each census, states must redraw their congressional and state legislative district boundaries to ensure districts have roughly equal populations. This process, known as redistricting, ensures that each citizen's vote carries roughly the same weight.
  
  
• Electoral College:
  The census data also influences the allocation of electoral votes to each state. States with larger populations receive more electoral votes, which can impact presidential election outcomes. “
  

Thank the Good Lord, for the foresight of our founding fathers for the Electoral College.

If it wasn't for that, a national politician would only have to campaign, and win in 10 out of the 50 States to be elected.

We were extremely blessed to be founded the way we were.

Those guys were brilliant!


And, the "Bill of Rights"

It limits the GOVERNMENT, not the citizens!

It starts with:
"Congress shall make no law..."

 

[Tanks]

It is ridiculous. Has anyone thought that they may be struggling because their product is crap?

It is not that they are "foreign" movies but produced overseas by Hollywood studios. I am still trying to wrap my head around how one would "tariff" an intangible. Movies are shot overseas, and editing and the final product is done here most of the time. What is next, software that is written partially overseas? How do you tariff the product?

 

[mdwest]

It is not that they are "foreign" movies but produced overseas by Hollywood studios.

This is one that’s silly to me…

40 years ago it made sense to build a set and shoot a film about Saudi Arabia in California and maybe go do a few scenes in the Mojave desert…

Today, why wouldn’t you go to Saudi Arabia and shoot the film on the actual dunes in that country…

Lord of the Rings created incredible effect using the terrain in New Zealand… does anyone really think a similar product could have been made shooting in Appalachia or the Rockies or the Ozarks?

I’m not a fan of Hollywood, and generally am ok with bad things befalling the shit show that is the American entertainment industry…

But penalizing a company that wants to tell a story about Hungarian culture or a famous Mongolian war lord and film in the authentic terrain… or create a sci-fi show using the moon like features of Turkmenistan to bring more realism and believability to their story…

That’s sorta dumb IMO…

It’s not like they’re putting the entire cast in Malta or Crete or Romania for 3 months while filming because they think Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt are going to take lower wages and they can produce the film cheaper there…

And while yes, filming abroad does put some money into the local economy… most of the money comes back to the US (most of the western worlds actors and people involved in US films live in the US, the US is the biggest consumer of western world films, etc etc)..

 

[Tanks]

This is one that’s silly to me…

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Someone must have mentioned it, and it is the next "look squirrel" syndrome with Trump.

 

[John Wasmuth]

 

[deewayne2003]

Can Canadians think analytically? Or are responses going to be emotionally based?

I think 2800+ pages on this thread and voting record points drastically to the latter choice being the historical preference.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I still don't see how he interfere, he didn't make robocalls, he didn't stuff ballots or suspend rules.

He talked shit and apparently that became the #1 issue for a majority of Canadians. That is unfortunate for you guys.

Look it happen here too, people didn't like his mean tweets so we voted for a vegetable. Trump running his mouth isn't election interference, no matter how much credit he takes (which again I believe is done to agitate you guys instead of actually thinking about what he is saying).

Its like arguing with Latina, she starts the argument with something so illogical, so defamatory, so crazy that you focus on that, instead of whatever this issue is.

You’re right he didn’t interfere by making robocalls or stuffing ballots he did it over a much larger platform with press conferences and on social media. Media influence is the one area I think trump could teach a master class. He’s been skillfully shifting his image for years. His draft dodging should of been enough to keep him out of a republican candidacy and yet it wasn’t even an issue, conservatives with conservative and religious values voted for a man that payed hush money to a porn starlet. His Teflon ability to shift his image at will and manipulate the media is what truely drives his success.

Edit seems the draft issue isn’t all that uncommon a cursory search shows bush jr, Clinton and Chaney all took active steps to avoid Vietnam.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

@LivingTheDream if the Mexicans out number Americans 8.5 to 1 and we’re at the helm of the most powerful army in the world do you think they would have the ability to influence your election? Say they started making noises about nor respecting your boarders very publicly like for instance in press conferences during the run up to and during the election campaign do you think the vote would be effected? Do you figure that a regularly uninformed portion of the population is going to vote solely on who they feel is best suited to face a southern threat and not on any of the other issues they’re not informed about anyway? That’s what we just went through, was there other election interference absolutely I posted the proof of that, doesn’t change the fact trump also interfered in the election.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

As an alternative.. If Canada can figure out a way to put a conservative government in power.. it might find that Canadians are actually more like those Americans they currently dislike than they want to admit (take on conservative fiscal policies that would have the govt looking out for Canadian interests first, take on conservative social policies that would have the govt walking away from wokeism and DEI, etc..).. and maybe the two nations grow close again..

The next few years will certainly be telling...

Canada has a Conservative government in power.
It just doesn't have a populist (like the US), or the Conservative Party of Canada in government. He happens to have run for the LPC after previously turning down an offer to be the Conservative Party of Canada's finance minister the last time they held office.

The idea that a Goldman Sachs investment banker, bank chair, and Chair of Brookfield is somehow not traditionally conservative is a non-sequitur. Not unlike any suggestion that the current pro-tariff, anti-free trade, governing via EO, populist US administration is would be.

But no, Carney is not a US Republican in outlook.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Canadians didn’t re-elect the Libiturds. It is the immigrants from 3rd world shitholes that Trudeau allowed in, in record numbers that voted them back in. Elections Canada changed electoral district boundaries next the major metropolitan areas to allow close ridings to flip to Liberal, just what happened to Poilievre who held his seat for 25 years. The Liberals will do anything to win.

Immigrants to Canada overwhelmingly vote Conservative, as they tend to bring antiquated social mores with them for the first generation.

The widely held consensus is that the immigrant vote is what prevented Carney from getting a majority.

And the nonsense accusing Elections Canada of gerrymandering is just that - uninformed nonsense. Pollievre's riding being alerted brought in an area that had more CPC votes in the previously election and should have favoured him.

If you think differently, show your work. Otherwise this is just the usual anti-immigrant tripe.