Politics

[SaintPanzer]

I’m not so convinced that is the link I would make. The cavalry saving the day has been in writings for much longer than the Western movies. And since cavalry has traditionally been the place for the well educated, well off nobility, I think in reality the “cavalry saves the day” is more about the elite saving the day for the plebs and they should be grateful for their gallant action.

Or it could just be a neat artistic impression that speaks more to the imagination than other images on the battlefield.

I guess my question on those previous writing was how often was the cavalry making a difference in battle, and how often was it a Deus ex Machina plot device where troops came out of no where to change the entire direction?

Old west cavalry was typically not the "well educated", and there hasn't been a nobility here since 1776 or so.

I think your sentence "other images on the battlefield" becomes the important point. If it's a movie about the Civil War, then yes, there's your battlefield. But the old Westerns usually were resolving plot points like surrounded by outlaws, or surrounded by Indians, or surrounded by outlaws working with Indians, or some such. Those are the movies of which I'm speaking.

 

[Doubleplay]

"Left over form the colonial" may be one of the more ignorant statements yet posted here - and that is saying a lot. I suspect I have been around this planet at least as much as you have? Perhaps as well read and educated? I can not think of any other country where I would more want to set out again on a career. Sure, there are places where government will hold me closer to its suffocating bosom as I am fed my allotted share, but anyone with a modicum of ambition can succeed here better and faster than anywhere else in the world.

More than likely compared to the rest of the World.
However upward mobility quickly becoming a thing of the past here also.
It's not like in the 70's, 80's or even 90's.

 

[skydiver386]

Their methodologies don't seem the same, they are the same.

Socialism/communism was never going to produce a classless society, it merely redefined who was going to be in which class.

One of the master strokes of the national socialists was to not nationalize industry and commerce the way the international socialists had. Ownership under national socialism was nominal, not actual. To own a thing is to have control over a thing. In both cases, the state controlled the means of production.

The bitter feud between the national socialists and the international socialists was a bitter feud between siblings.

Well stated.

This is also why the Nazi Party cannot be Right wing.

There are 3 simple reasons.

1. Every Political Science class I have ever attended started with one basic principal, and that is one person exerting power over another. In a nutshell, this is the basis for all Political Theory.

Total power over others---------------------No power over others

On one side of the spectrum there is no power, on the other side total power. If A political party attempts to gain total power over its citizens, then it is by definition totalitarian. Attempting to label one Party as Left Wing Totalitarian, and another as Right Wing Totalitarian is not logical.

2. The Major policies of every Totalitarian Dictator in the 20th Century were nearly identical. The Nazi Party of Germany, the Fascist of Italy, the Communist in Russia and China all put similar policies into practice. One cannot then claim one to be Right of center, and the other with near identical policies to be to the left of center. Logic dictates any definition applied to one applies to all, and when this is done it's easy to see they are more alike than different.

3. Many leftist sources in popular media praised Hitler for his social policies. The same leftist sources also praised Lenin, then Stalin. Very few at the time called the Nazis right wing.

Everything changed when Hitler attacked the lefts beloved Soviet Union. This 180 degree change is actually a type of denial. When an admitted Socialist is confronted with the failures of socialism, they will almost inevitably counter with "That wasn't REAL Socialism". The same flawed logic is used to explain that the Nazis weren't left wing Socialist.

 

[WAB]

If I have to pay 2X for a Margaux, you better believe it is.

This has serious implications to my wine cellar!

 

[Fastrig]

I don't always drink Texas swill, but when I do, it is a Grape Creek blend.

Grape Creek blends aren't bad at all....nothing here in Texas compares to the Napa wines though....

 

[cwpayton]

Actually, that is not how it works. A treaty is not binding until it is ratified by the Senate and once that’s done and registered at the UN it can’t be canceled by the POTUS. Otherwise it is just an agreement. Trump got out of the climate accords because it was never ratified hence not binding.

Technically according to the constitution article II section II that is correct, " ( TPOTUS) He shall have power by and with the consent of the senate ,to make treaties ,provided 2/3 of the senate present concur", But I was speaking to the situation with the back and forth tariffs , with Long Walker from Canada in a general sense. And congress has the power to declare war,But the US has engaged in wars approximately 15 years in vietnam, 20 years in Afganistan, Irag, we still have troops there. so where was the declaration of war. WATCH OUT CANADA invasion is eminent. No not really. But thanks for keeping me Honest to the point.
The UN, thats a point I dont know alot about, and personally dont care, about the UN having a say in our goverment, a bit of a rebel I am. No one in my family was ever called a yankee.

 

[wesheltonj]

Grape Creek blends aren't bad at all....nothing here in Texas compares to the Napa wines though....

Singing Waters wine beat every CA wine in the Cab category. See my prior post.

 

[Red Leg]

More than likely compared to the rest of the World.
However upward mobility quickly becoming a thing of the past here also.
It's not like in the 70's, 80's or even 90's.

Of course it is. Whether the current younger generations have the will or skills to exercise that opportunity is another issue. That isn't on them by the by, it is on you and me. My son, a technical school graduate of all things, lives in a finer home and has a far larger base salary and more disposable income than his father did until he left the military.

Sadly, too many of the younger generation have been failed by an education system that has left them illiterate and without hope. That has nothing to do with opportunity which is still here in abundance, but everything to do with preparation.

 

[Red Leg]

Singing Waters wine beat every CA wine in the Cab category. See my prior post.

I read it. I don't drink much California wine.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

1. Every Political Science class I have ever attended

Were you educated entirely in the US?

I think that's the biggest issue when it comes to landing on definitions - the modern US political spectrum is deeply skewed, and often totally at odds with the longstanding definitions in use pretty much everywhere else. There is some sort of pathological need to try to up-end traditional definitions and force Fascism and Nazism to the left wing as a political 'gotcha', typically by cherry picking various bits and pieces.

Generally, outside of historical nuances of the left being common landowners and the working class, while the right was represented by landed gentry and traditional aristocracy, the political science approaches have mirrored the classic left and right economic axis, with common-ownership, worker centric economics on the far left (Communism), and private but state controlled, corporatist economics on the far right (Fascism). This is a reflection of it originally being a scale of radicalism versus traditionalism, with the 'modern' (as in, no monarchy or aristocracy) extremes being a stateless, workers revolution on the far left, and a rigid, totalitarian corporatist traditional state on the right. Fascist leaders explicitly self identified as being on 'the right'.

It's the two axis model which then more directly introduces measures of authoritartianism or anarchism into the equation.

I think the Nolan Chart is probably the most useful measure these days.

2. The Major policies of every Totalitarian Dictator in the 20th Century were nearly identical.

Huge amount to unpack here, but no. This statement is about as inaccurate as it gets, which should be pretty self-evident to most with even a basic understanding of the competing and opposing ideologies involved.

3. Many leftist sources in popular media praised Hitler for his social policies. The same leftist sources also praised Lenin, then Stalin. Very few at the time called the Nazis right wing.

Praising NSDAP policies for addressing issues plaguing German workers in the wake of the First World War and Great Depression is hardly evidence to suggest the two ideologies are working in lockstep, especially and particularly when Hitler is busy writing about his plans to exterminate "Marxism" from Germany, and working in tandem with the traditional German right against the left. Even prior to actively persecuting via violence, the abolition of trade unions and forced exile of left-wing civil servants and academics paints a pretty clear picture.

 

[cwpayton]

I’m not so convinced that is the link I would make. The cavalry saving the day has been in writings for much longer than the Western movies. And since cavalry has traditionally been the place for the well educated, well off nobility, I think in reality the “cavalry saves the day” is more about the elite saving the day for the plebs and they should be grateful for their gallant action.

Or it could just be a neat artistic impression that speaks more to the imagination than other images on the battlefield.

I would suggest the calvary , of the 1800's was anything but educated in the ranks, the officers yes . Example the messenger fom Custer to Reno barely spoke any english, and a lot of enlistees were poor imigrants. alot of the scouts were Indians or mountain men, like Bridger, carson, not really well educated. Smart but not book educated.

 

[FlyGuy]

The Nazi Party was a far left organisation.
Funny how they’re always portrayed as right.

 

[Fastrig]

Singing Waters wine beat every CA wine in the Cab category. See my prior post.

LOL, that's always very subjective on wines....I'll try that vineyard but haven't had a Texas cab that can even come close to the Napa cabs....had some that are as good as the central coast CA wines, but not the good Napa cabs...

 

[Foxi]

The Nazi Party was a far left organisation.
Funny how they’re always portrayed as right.

 

[Fastrig]

I would suggest the calvary , of the 1800's was anything but educated in the ranks, the officers yes . Example the messenger fom Custer to Reno barely spoke any english, and a lot of enlistees were poor imigrants. alot of the scouts were Indians or mountain men, like Bridger, carson, not really well educated. Smart but not book educated.

Don't forget about the Buffalo Soldiers....not educated, but extremely effective cavalry units

 

[cwpayton]

"Left over form the colonial" may be one of the more ignorant statements yet posted here - and that is saying a lot. I suspect I have been around this planet at least as much as you have? Perhaps as well read and educated? I can not think of any other country where I would more want to set out again on a career. Sure, there are places where government will hold me closer to its suffocating bosom as I am fed my allotted share, but anyone with a modicum of ambition can succeed here better and faster than anywhere else in the world.

Even more now, less regulations or buy a GOLD IMMIGATION CARD AND COME ON!

 

[cwpayton]

Don't forget about the Buffalo Soldiers....not educated, but extremely effective cavalry units

AGREED!

 

[cwpayton]

Here we go again:

“If this Tariff is not removed immediately, the U.S. will shortly place a 200% Tariff on all WINES, CHAMPAGNES, & ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS COMING OUT OF FRANCE AND OTHER E.U. REPRESENTED COUNTRIES,” Trump wrote. “This will be great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S.”

Because he doesn't drink I don't think he knows there's no champagne being produced here in US.
I also think he lost it....

I can see it now, smuggling champagne across the border and by tiny subs and hidden in water melons!

 

[Fastrig]

Were you educated entirely in the US?

I think that's the biggest issue when it comes to landing on definitions - the modern US political spectrum is deeply skewed, and often totally at odds with the longstanding definitions in use pretty much everywhere else. There is some sort of pathological need to try to up-end traditional definitions and force Fascism and Nazism to the left wing as a political 'gotcha', typically by cherry picking various bits and pieces.

Generally, outside of historical nuances of the left being common landowners and the working class, while the right was represented by landed gentry and traditional aristocracy, the political science approaches have mirrored the classic left and right economic axis, with common-ownership, worker centric economics on the far left (Communism), and private but state controlled, corporatist economics on the far right (Fascism). This is a reflection of it originally being a scale of radicalism versus traditionalism, with the 'modern' (as in, no monarchy or aristocracy) extremes being a stateless, workers revolution on the far left, and a rigid, totalitarian corporatist traditional state on the right. Fascist leaders explicitly self identified as being on 'the right'.

It's the two axis model which then more directly introduces measures of authoritartianism or anarchism into the equation.

I think the Nolan Chart is probably the most useful measure these days.View attachment 671201

Huge amount to unpack here, but no. This statement is about as inaccurate as it gets, which should be pretty self-evident to most with even a basic understanding of the competing and opposing ideologies involved.



Praising NSDAP policies for addressing issues plaguing German workers in the wake of the First World War and Great Depression is hardly evidence to suggest the two ideologies are working in lockstep, especially and particularly when Hitler is busy writing about his plans to exterminate "Marxism" from Germany, and working in tandem with the traditional German right against the left. Even prior to actively persecuting via violence, the abolition of trade unions and forced exile of left-wing civil servants and academics paints a pretty clear picture.

I find it a tad ironic that Authoritarian and Liberal (Fascism/Socialism/Communism) are on the LEFT of your chart....so if Nazism and Fascism are right wing, how come they aren't on the right side of the chart with the Conservative and Libertarian (Capitalism)? No one, who is being honest at least, would classify the Nazi party as Conservative or Libertarian based on this chart, which kind of means right wing is pretty much out of the picture.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Here we go again:

“If this Tariff is not removed immediately, the U.S. will shortly place a 200% Tariff on all WINES, CHAMPAGNES, & ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS COMING OUT OF FRANCE AND OTHER E.U. REPRESENTED COUNTRIES,” Trump wrote. “This will be great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S.”

Because he doesn't drink I don't think he knows there's no champagne being produced here in US.
I also think he lost it....

I understand what you’re trying to say but several American producers still legally refer to their sparkling wine as champagne.

The 100-Year-Old Loophole That Makes California Champagne Legal

For a bottle of sparkling wine to be labeled Champagne, it has to be made in Champagne, France and produced using the méthode champenoise. If that bottle is produced using the exact same method, anywhere else, it must carry a different name. The production method itself must even be referred to...

vinepair.com

So there is “champagne” being produced here in the US and Trump is technically correct.