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Yes I realize all of those things that people who love cheap labor have been grumbling about for the last decade.

Most of our troubles with jobs being unfilled is a disconnect of employers thinking that raising todays wages to the point they should have been 10+ years ago is going to motivate people; that combined with most of these open jobs being of the dead end variety.

I recently heard a home builder belly aching about how he couldn't hire a finish carpenter for $17hr after advertising for nearly a year; to which I had to ask...... Why would anybody work for you for $17hr when they could work for either themselves or someone else just 1 hour south of here and make $100K a year?

His response....."Nobody want's to work anymore!" = The death bellow of employers who made their money off of employees whos' wages have been kept low for decades.

Same with excavation companies - They want to pay equipment operators $15hr to operate machines that cost $1Mil and wonder why they have high turnover and machines destroyed by operator error; and of course I'm the bad guy in the board room when I ask why would people operate bulldozers for $15hr when teenagers are starting at Chick-Fil-A for $15hr?

You are not wrong on your examples, but you paint a very incomplete picture. One of, if not the, largest employers of immigrant labor is agriculture. Whether it’s tree planting crews, tassling crews, harvest crews and so on. I’ve been in and around AG all my life. I can tell you with certainty that American city kids, with very few exceptions, will not work that hard, regardless of the pay. Without immigrant labor, much of this work would simply not get done.

I’m 64 and I have a hard time finding someone in their 20’s or 30’s that will work as hard as I do. I was thinning trees with my daughter’s boyfriend a few years ago. He ended up collapsing and puking his guts out. He was a gym rat and in really good shape. He was off to marine basic the following week. I’ll bet they tuned him up! The Mexican crews we get are unreal. They flat wear me out just watching them. Those folks know what hard work means.
 
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There are people with on here who pay people to operate large equipment, so I clearly defer, but no one is paying heavy equipment operators 15 an hour. I pay guys who pick up trash and clean sites more than that and I live in a fairly low wage part of the country.
Illegal concrete finishers in Virginia are $300-$350 a day.
 
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Illegal concrete finishers in Virginia are $300-$350 a day.
Did "Illegal concrete finishers in Virginia are $300-$350 a day" replace "Virginia is for Lovers" tourism themes?

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There are people with on here who pay people to operate large equipment, so I clearly defer, but no one is paying heavy equipment operators 15 an hour. I pay guys who pick up trash and clean sites more than that and I live in a fairly low wage part of the country.

Warehouse workers are beating $15 an hour in most markets. A delivery trick driver is at or over $100k in most major markets.
 
You are not wrong on your examples, but you paint a very incomplete picture. One of, if not the, largest employers of immigrant labor is agriculture. Whether it’s tree planting crews, tassling crews, harvest crews and so on. I’ve been in and around AG all my life. I can tell you with certainty that American city kids, with very few exceptions, will not work that hard, regardless of the pay. Without immigrant labor, much of this work would simply not get done.

I’m 64 and I have a hard time finding someone in their 20’s or 30’s that will work as hard as I do. I was thinning trees with my daughter’s boyfriend a few years ago. He ended up collapsing and puking his guts out. He was a gym rat and in really good shape. He was off to marine basic the following week. I’ll bet they tuned him up! The Mexican crews we get are unreal. They flat wear me out just watching them. Those folks know what hard work means.
You’re spot on, I’ve run the harvest on our sod farm for about 20 years. In that time we’ve hired on average about 3 Americans per year . Out of all of those people only 2 have stuck around. One has been he working here for 6 years and one for 3. None of the others lasted more than a couple of weeks. We pay between 16.50 and 20.00 an hour.
That’s why we get the same H2A guys every year. They average around 60 to 65 hrs a week.
 
You are not wrong on your examples, but you paint a very incomplete picture. One of, if not the, largest employers of immigrant labor is agriculture. Whether it’s tree planting crews, tassling crews, harvest crews and so on. I’ve been in and around AG all my life. I can tell you with certainty that American city kids, with very few exceptions, will not work that hard, regardless of the pay. Without immigrant labor, much of this work would simply not get done.

I’m 64 and I have a hard time finding someone in their 20’s or 30’s that will work as hard as I do. I was thinning trees with my daughter’s boyfriend a few years ago. He ended up collapsing and puking his guts out. He was a gym rat and in really good shape. He was off to marine basic the following week. I’ll bet they tuned him up! The Mexican crews we get are unreal. They flat wear me out just watching them. Those folks know what hard work means.
I've been around AG my entire life as well; former FFA district president, degree in agriculture, own a farm and besides owning my own business I am also a University employee tasked with answering agriculture issues for producers.

You are correct about American city kids - These days it seems that most of them are only children who have had parents helicopter over them so they live a consequence and sweat free existence; while oddly enough paying money to workout in a gym.

As for the "They pick our lettuce" argument.......

1. Less than 1% of all illegal immigrants are involved in agriculture work, but 44% of farm laborers are illegal immigrants - Very Telling.

2. Mechanization is changing agriculture FAST - When is the last time you heard of a human being harvesting sugarcane in the USA? The Florida Crystals Corporation imported THOUSANDS of Haitians into south Florida to harvest sugarcane and when they got replaced by machines the workers were allowed to stay.

3. Means and methods - farming succulents(especially lettuce) is being moved to hydroponic cultivation and it truly is a superior product that is much more efficient, better for the environment, lowers transportation cost/loss and is much less labor intensive. - So in 10 years we are going to be needing much less farm labor than we do now.

4. Exploitation - Every farmer/rancher I've ever met loves to moan about how they don't make any money, but I know some that make FORTUNES; oddly enough the greater the wealth of farmers the more willing they are to turn a blind eye to exploitation and especially so when it comes to labor contractors who are generally the anchor babies of 1st generation illegals and these labor contractors are the modern slave drivers and YES physical violence is still very much used as a motivation...... I've seen these people first hand in agriculture and excavation, they make their money on human suffering and I wish the federal government would step into dealing with this human tracking.

What's the answer? A organized farm labor union just like Cesar Chavez wanted, but he could never get it because employers would rather exploit desperate illegals than deal with a legal organized workforce.

These programs already exist - Such as the program for South American sheep herders that are allowed to come and work in the USA and are the ones responsible for maintaining flocks of sheep on the vast ranches and leases in the western U.S.A.
 
Do you realize we have a %4 unemployment and most jobs openings are not being fulfilled even with all the illegals coming in? Our federal minimum wage still around $7.00 but I'm having a hard time to hire legal workers for $20/hr.
Or do you know our population is in a downward trend and barely stable with immigration?
Or do you understand the wealth we created in the last 40 years was done with legal /illegal labor?
Bring it on? Easier for people like us to say.
IMHO, all valid points. We ARE a nation built on many million LEGAL immigrants from countries all over the World. As you have pointed out, we continue to need immigrants to power our country forward. LEGAL immigrants. Only recently in our history has our Government allowed millions of ILLEGAL immigrants to pour through our borders in a VERY short period of time. Many/most were not properly vetted and a percentage are violent criminals and some on terrorist watch lists. The surge of fentanyl into the U.S. is directly correlated to our open borders and the Mexican cartels. They have put a tremendous financial strain on cities, counties and states who have provided services to them, not to mention further burdening law enforcement in those jurisdictions. And you can bet on ‘ol brain dead having secretly funneled Federal taxpayer money to those jurisdictions. Our immigration system needs to be revamped by Congress, but until it is, this continuing influx of ILLEGAL immigration must be thwarted at our borders at all costs.
 

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