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Here's an extreme answer, but the correct one. Islam as collequally defined needs to be banned in America. We have the freedom of religion in this country, but mainstream Islam is not a religion, its a political system that justifies violence to achieve its political ends. It's no different than party affiliation with a known terrorist state.

You have absolutely no idea how much I wholeheartedly agree with this statement or how many times I have said it. No I don't believe I've said it on here straight out but my disdain for the cult hasn't been well hidden. It's a terrorist organization and needs to be identified as such.

Is it really all muslims? Nope. But about 95% of the muslims doctrine is terrorism when adhered to correctly. (most muslims violate the tenants of their schools of thought, thankfully)

But the moderates don't do anything about it. A popular saying is, "Islam is a snake in the grass. Moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake".

The issue is that Islam has spent the past 200 years exterminating their moderates,

Apostates will not be tolerated either. Bless the ones that have the courage to leave and speak out.

the USA has spent the last 100 years propping up the governments of the most dangerous schools of thought of Islam. The CIA has spent the last 50 years supporting indoctrination and extremism in these schools of thought when we thought it would be helpful to incite violence against our enemies. (Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Chechnya being three sterling examples)

Every great work of Islam and every profoundly useful doctrine of the religion was really the work of the Persians and other moderates. Most of these works were by derivatives of Sufism and Shi'a belief systems as well. They were the equivalent of the protestant reformers that course corrected Christianity and which ultimately resulted in good fruit from all branches of the faith. That progress can't come to Islam because they kill those types of moderates on site. (Ahmadiya Islam and B'hai being examples of positive reformers compatible with Western values)

TLDR; we're screwed. We supported the bad guys and imported them into the west. We're doubly evil, we didn't save the lives of the good guys that could have reformed Islam in the same way we reformed Christianity from the evils of the Inquisition.

I agree that it is beyond reform. The internet of all things has damaged it thanks to the Christian apologists and muslim apostates, most of whom are very brave men and women. Even the Imam's and dawah guys, most just seeking their own western fame and fortune, have had to admit it.

We can't even put the word 'Islamic' in front of 'terror attack' on TV or in the papers. We're a long way from confronting it genuinely.
 
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Not sure if he won any awards for that character, but he morphed into one of the scariest characters to grace the big screen. I was shocked when I saw that movie.

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Yeah, I know they're both gyrenes, but they're both just as far removed from all of this as McVeigh and Hasan.
Not sure how Hassan is removed from what happened recently. He did it in the name of Allah and the Muslim religion. No different than the 9/11 terrorist it’s all just a continuation of the war on terror with more to come unfortunately.
 
Not sure how Hassan is removed from what happened recently. He did it in the name of Allah and the Muslim religion. No different than the 9/11 terrorist it’s all just a continuation of the war on terror with more to come unfortunately.

Not uncommon. Remember Nidal Hassan the Ft. Hood shooter? The military sucks at vetting in the name of diversity. Lt. Col. Ben Phillips was a moron based on what he knew about his direct subordinate.

Hasan enlisted in the United States Army in 1988 after graduating from high school. He attended college during this time, earning an associate degree in science from Virginia Western Community College in 1992. In 1995, he graduated from Virginia Tech with a bachelor's degree in biochemistry. He completed both of these programs with Latin honors.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Fox_3-23"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a> He was commissioned as an officer in the Army Medical Department in 1997, and enrolled at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS) in Bethesda, Maryland.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-The_Life_and_Career_of_Major_Hasan-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>

Hasan's performance was marginal while enrolled at USUHS. He was on academic probation during much of the six years he required to complete the four-year curriculum and graduate medical school.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-24"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> Upon graduation in 2003, Hasan completed his internship and residency in psychiatry at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC). He completed his psychiatry training with a two-year fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry, earning a master's degree in public health. During his training at Walter Reed, he received counseling and extra supervision.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Mckinley-25"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a>

Slide 49/50 of The Quranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military, a presentation made by Hasan during a symposium of U.S. Army physicians at WRAMC
According to The Washington Post, Hasan made a presentation titled "The Quranic World View as It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military" during his senior year of residency at WRAMC; it was not well received by some attendees.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-26"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a> He suggested the U.S. Department of Defense "should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-WP_presentation-article-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-WP_presentation-28"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a> On a previous slide, he explained "adverse events" could be refusal to deploy, espionage, or killing of fellow soldiers.

Retired Colonel Terry Lee, after working with Hasan, recalled<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-29"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a> the fatal shooting of two recruiters in Little Rock, Arkansas, greatly affected Hasan. Lee told Fox News that Hasan made "outlandish" statements against the American military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, reportedly saying that "the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor", referring to American soldiers. Hasan expressed hope U.S. President Barack Obama would withdraw troops. He was frequently agitated and argumentative with other Army personnel.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-30"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-NPR1-31"><span>[</span>31<span>]</span></a>

Despite these problems, in May 2009, Hasan was promoted to major.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-The_Life_and_Career_of_Major_Hasan-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a> In July 2009 he was transferred to Darnall Army Medical Center in Fort Cavazos (then Fort Hood), Texas, moving into the city of Killeen. Two weeks later, he lawfully purchased an FN Five-seven handgun.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-The_Life_and_Career_of_Major_Hasan-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a> Prior to his transfer, Hasan had received a 'poor performance' evaluation from supervisors and medical faculty.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-UKGovBBCProfile-32"><span>[</span>32<span>]</span></a> Despite concerns, his former boss, Lt. Col. Ben Phillips, graded his performance as "outstanding".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-33"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a>

Hasan's cousin, Virginia attorney Nader Hasan, disputed the assertion that he was "disenchanted with the military," but said Hasan dreaded war after counseling soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder. He was "mortified by the idea" of deploying after he heard on a "daily basis the horrors they saw over there". Nader also stated Hasan was harassed by his fellow soldiers. "He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Guardian_1-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> Hasan's aunt also said Hasan sought discharge because of harassment relating to his Islamic faith.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Fox_3-23"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a> However, an Army spokesman did not confirm the relatives' statements;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Wash_Post-35"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a> with the deputy director of the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council stating the reported harassment was "inconsistent" with their records.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Fox_1-36"><span>[</span>36<span>]</span></a>

Hasan's uncle Rafiq Hamad, a resident of Ramallah in the West Bank, characterized Hasan as gentle and quiet. He fainted while observing childbirth, whence his choice to focus on psychiatry. He was deeply sensitive, and mourned a pet bird for months after it died.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Mckinley-25"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a> Also near Ramallah, cousin Mohammed Hasan said "because he's Muslim, he didn't want to go to Afghanistan or Iraq, and he didn't want to expose himself to violence and death". Mohammed stated his cousin was a "pleasant young man" who was happy to graduate and to be joining the army after his uncle and cousins served. They never talked about politics, but Hasan complained "he was treated like a Muslim, like an Arab, rather than an American; he was discriminated against."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-37"><span>[</span>37<span>]</span></a>

In August 2009, according to a Killeen police report, someone vandalized Hasan's automobile with a key; repair was estimated at $1000. Police charged a soldier; a neighbor claimed the vehicle was vandalized because of Hasan's religion.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-Fox_3-23"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a>

According to military records, Hasan was unmarried.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-NYT_3-38"><span>[</span>38<span>]</span></a> However, David Cook, a former neighbor, stated, in 1997, Hasan had two sons living with him and attending local schools. Cook said, "As far as I know, he was a single father. I never saw a wife."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#cite_note-WSJ-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a>
 
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Islamic terrorist identified in New Orleans attack.

Just more of the religion of peace spreading itself around.

The FBI identified the driver as Shamsud-Din Jabbar, 42, a U.S. citizen from Texas and said it is working to determine Jabbar’s potential associations and affiliations with terrorist organizations.

“We do not believe that Jabbar was solely responsible,” Alethea Duncan, an assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s New Orleans field office, said at a news conference.




Too many late coming contradictions to believe anything other than: a white pickup truck (as seen on news videos), driven by a male rammed into a New Orleans crowd, in the French Quarter, killing and injuring partiers on a street. After crashing the driver got out of the truck and started shooting, killing 2 law enforcement officers before other law enforcement officers shot and killed the perpetrator.

Watched the "Breaking News" reports on 3 different networks.

Contradiction:

Name of perpetrator, so far 2 different names and photos, from driver's licenses and one's passport,
Nationality and US citizen status or illegal immigrant
Color of truck, rental or stolen,
ISIS flag or no flag on truck
Location on truck where the flag may or may not have existed,
Did or did not, or was or had any US military training or US military service record,
Number of additional explosive devices located in other areas,
Terrorist(s) attack(s) or random disgruntled mentally ill American
Etc.,
Etc.,
Etc.,

I'm waiting for the alphabet agencies to get their stories straight and release a definitive story of the "incident".

Then the connection or not to a coincidentally house explosion just "blocks" away.

Then the "coincidentally" little (very little) mention of the Tesla truck loaded with explosive(s) blowing up at the Trump hotel in Las Vegas "detonated" by "a suicide bomber".

And the "......searching for....." additonal: Terrorists, conspirators, known associates, etc., etc., into both "incidents".

Biden's BS speech was useless in providing any comfort to those injured, those who lost loved ones, and the nation. Trying to down play the attack as a terrorist attack by an illegal migrant that crossed into the US via his open borders policy.
 
Too many late coming contradictions to believe anything other than: a white pickup truck (as seen on news videos), driven by a male rammed into a New Orleans crowd, in the French Quarter, killing and injuring partiers on a street. After crashing the driver got out of the truck and started shooting, killing 2 law enforcement officers before other law enforcement officers shot and killed the perpetrator.

Watched the "Breaking News" reports on 3 different networks.

Contradiction:

Name of perpetrator, so far 2 different names and photos, from driver's licenses and one's passport,
Nationality and US citizen status or illegal immigrant
Color of truck, rental or stolen,
ISIS flag or no flag on truck
Location on truck where the flag may or may not have existed,
Did or did not, or was or had any US military training or US military service record,
Number of additional explosive devices located in other areas,
Terrorist(s) attack(s) or random disgruntled mentally ill American
Etc.,
Etc.,
Etc.,

I'm waiting for the alphabet agencies to get their stories straight and release a definitive story of the "incident".

Then the connection or not to a coincidentally house explosion just "blocks" away.

Then the "coincidentally" little (very little) mention of the Tesla truck loaded with explosive(s) blowing up at the Trump hotel in Las Vegas "detonated" by "a suicide bomber".

And the "......searching for....." additonal: Terrorists, conspirators, known associates, etc., etc., into both "incidents".

Biden's BS speech was useless in providing any comfort to those injured, those who lost loved ones, and the nation. Trying to down play the attack as a terrorist attack by an illegal migrant that crossed into the US via his open borders policy.

No kidding. I just heard that someone was in the truck when it exploded. Apparently shot himself. All day yesterday it was just that a truck exploded. No mention of someone being in the truck.

White supremacy is the biggest threat to America even though nobody can show examples. You're far right here, Europe and South America if you have the slightest sense of conservatism, patriotism or sense of national safety.
 
As for the police incident: officer and 70 year old Vietnamese male.

A lot of unknowns is an understatement.

Excessive of force by the officer: via the officer's body cam and the audio. IMO as a former LEO and a family of LEOs; this officer's voice indicates he (the officer) is agitated, has allowed the 70 year old driver to get to close, or perhaps the officer "drifted in range" was looking for an excuse to "get rough". As the driver was jestering communication with his hands in a casual non threatening manner.

Why didn't the officer ask the younger, possibly relative, present to assist in translating to the 70 year old the nature of the ticket and the procedural options. More often than not younger nationalities comprehend American English better than most Americans. And why too often becomes an ibstant agitator to LEOs working the "streets/highways".
 
Not sure how Hassan is removed from what happened recently. He did it in the name of Allah and the Muslim religion. No different than the 9/11 terrorist it’s all just a continuation of the war on terror with more to come unfortunately.
As far as we know, Hasan acted alone.

The dude (4 dudes, actually, plus a chick) in NOLA yesterday, I think we're going to find them to be part of Hamza and Omar bin Laden's group. If the dead guy from NOLA + the dipshit in Vegas were radicalized while they were in the army, it's likely because the interwebs are vastly different than they were even 15 years ago when Hasan went on his murder spree at Ft Hood, not because of any particular thing the army was doing/not doing.
 
One other question that I don't think we have an answer to in regards to the Oklahoma incident is who was the camera being operated by? At the start of one of the videos it would seem it was the officers body cam, when he was talking to the man when he was still in his car.

This then switches to the officer, old man and young lady all being filmed. Who was doing that recording? A bystander or another passenger in the car?
 
As far as we know, Hasan acted alone.

The dude (4 dudes, actually, plus a chick) in NOLA yesterday, I think we're going to find them to be part of Hamza and Omar bin Laden's group. If the dead guy from NOLA + the dipshit in Vegas were radicalized while they were in the army, it's likely because the interwebs are vastly different than they were even 15 years ago when Hasan went on his murder spree at Ft Hood, not because of any particular thing the army was doing/not doing.
We’re just going to have to disagree on this one, in my mind it makes no difference if it was a lone wolf or a pack of wolves. The FBI just said that the guy in N.O. acted alone, we can only take that for now as their story will likely change as the investigation unfolds.
However I believe you are correct on the web having a great deal of influence radicalizing many people in this day and time. It makes no difference if civilian or military, all are susceptible to outside influence.
I haven’t heard much on the guy in Vegas, I did hear he shot himself and the bomb detonated, it may turn out he just wanted to go out with a “bang” so to speak.
 
However I believe you are correct on the web having a great deal of influence radicalizing many people in this day and time. It makes no difference if civilian or military, all are susceptible to outside influence.

You really don't need much training or a special nudge from ISIS to radicalize yourself in Islam. Everyone knows that almost all kids are radicals, one kid is raised Muslim and the other goes to Church three days a week, yet another becomes an atheist and gets himself a pink mohawk.

The problem is most people that are not Muslims do not understand how the Koran is unique compared to other scriptures.

Islam 101: Islam believes in abrogation of scripture which other religions do not. The Koran is not organized chronologically, its arbitrarily arranged from longest sura (chapter) to shortest. The reason this is important is that a non-Muslim (I recommend everyone do this) pick up a Koran and read it. Smack dab on the first pages is fairly uplifting, Holy, and righteous stuff. You'll get the love for the Jew and Christian, the religion of peace, all the trimmings of a religion you could definitely respect upon face value.

Islam 201: Because of abrogation, there are two sides to the Koran. The peaceful period and the violent period. One where Mohammed was trying to peacefully convert in Mecca, another where he was waging war and promising bounty from the corpses of your enemies in the Medina period. (I might have reversed those) The scripture is not organized in a chronological manner where you as a layperson can determine what period the verse is from. The reason this is important is that Islam's major schools of thought (interpretations) held by the branches of the religion that 95%-99% of Muslims practice believes that many verses were made obsolete during the prophet's lifetime.

An example: If one verse says love the Jew and gives examples of how Mohammad lived next to Jews and prayed for their sick children's recovery (he did), and another verse is a prayer to Allah that the Jews must be annihilated, even stating "that the trees will scream out that there is a Jew hiding behind me, kill him!", (it does) you do not know as a layperson that the former is rendered null and void by the latter. Unlike other religions, the god of Islam was prone to changing his mind a lot.

The whole point: You meet 1000 wonderful Muslim families that do not adhere to nor believe the orthodox tenants of their faith and they are wonderful people. Those 1000 families will surely have one kid that has a crisis of faith, realizes his parents are not following the absolutely-orthodox-normal-standard rules of the faith as taught by his Imam, and he radicalizes. Any muslim knows that abrogation is orthodoxy and that the peace-hugs-love stuff is nullified by the later written passages. Osama Bin Laden knew this very well.

So what's the cure for Islam?: There are sects that believe that god doesn't make mistakes and that both A and B can be mutually true, just as it is in the Old and New Testament. They'd then rationalize why the guidance at time and place A was different than time and place B and live peacefully with the world ever after reconciling them. The obscure, heavily persecuted branches of Islam that allow for this reasoning consist of maybe 10-20 million Muslims in the world out of 1.5 billion. The religion cannot be reformed or trusted unless the persecuted micro-minority viewpoint is allowed to become the majority viewpoint. That's not happening, in most Muslim countries these reformers are officially considered infidels and heretics as codified into law. (e.g. Ahmadiya in Pakistan)
 
For me, the difference is Hasan's case was a relatively neat and tidy package, not part of any broader plan or objective; a case to be handled by arresting a bad guy, putting him on trial, and sending him to prison.

Assuming yesterday was part of Hamza bin Laden's change in ROE, this won't be a neat and tidy package, it's just asymmetric warfare being conducted on US soil. If the intel from Sarah Adams is accurate, this is not a matter law enforcement can handle, and there will be few if any trials.
 
No kidding. I just heard that someone was in the truck when it exploded. Apparently shot himself. All day yesterday it was just that a truck exploded. No mention of someone being in the truck.

White supremacy is the biggest threat to America even though nobody can show examples. You're far right here, Europe and South America if you have the slightest sense of conservatism, patriotism or sense of national safety.

What you are referring to, as I heard the 5-10 second news bite, this was the Vegas, Trump hotel "incident".

Seems another attack on Trump, by anyone other than the woke, "swamp", and Rinos", is mute news to the msm.
 
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Dude was about to turn into Mr. Miyagi.



Their policy and training is "slam the guys head into the concrete".



And obviously the cop lacks the critical thinking ability to play out this horrific scenario even a little bit in his head, yet he was given a badge, gun and authority.




You got me man. I turned some words around.
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