Politics

[Wheels]

Trump puts Mexico and Canada on the clock regarding illegal immigration and fentanyl with tariff threats. In less than 24 hours both Sheinbaum and Trudeau respond positively to dealing with the issues. Interesting how simple some foreign policy buy ins can be.

What I read is not completely correct. I will take back this statement as Canada and Mexico didn't agree just acknowledged Trump's message. My bad!

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[mdwest]

Liberals in church? How’s that work?

It’s quite easy to see if someone is evil based on their politics. Most obviously seen in their views on social issues. A couple of dead giveaways are being in favor of killing babies and allowing kids (or anyone) to chop off their genitalia

most liberals arent single issue voters.. I dont know of anyone in my church group for example that is pro-choice or pro trans/genitalia chopping...

they are however (by in large... obviously all are not exactly the same) for affirmative action type programs, a market system (as opposed to a free market system), against voucher systems for schools, very pro environment (to the point of being anti "big oil", etc), on board with the global warming thing, arent necessarily "anti-gun" but definitely want more controls in place on firearms (definitely not pro 2A), want more govt involvement in healthcare, want very clear and very defined separation of church and state, buy into the "tax the rich" concept (even though many of the people Im referring to are certainly on the very high end of middle class.. with some of them touching into the truly wealthy side of society), and are big proponents of govt subsidized welfare type programs..

For them, its a sum of the whole equation... they dont personally support abortion.. and wouldnt have one or advocate for one for their kids or anyone they care about... but they also dont support everyone in a house owning an AR15 or a true free market economy.. so... becoming a "republican" or a "conservative" makes as little sense to them as them being a "democrat" or a "liberal" does to you..

the truth is... I bet if any one of us compared our personal belief system line for line against any political partys platform, or against the voting record of any single politician, we'd very likely find out there are some stark differences between ourselves and the party being looked at...

You support what is closest to your beliefs...

Youre never going to find a party that is 100% in line with absolutely everything you stand for or believe in 100% of the time..

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Yep, the communist state of California won’t stop until they control every aspects of the people’s lives.
Some lakes are completely shut down and others you have to get your boat sanitized and then wait 30 days before you can launch.

I’m not one to defend much of what’s done in California but I think there is some misunderstanding here.

The quagga mussels are a huge problem. They quickly achieve plague proportions and are so efficient at filter feeding that they can quickly consume enough of the micro plankton in an ecosystem that fish start to die off.

Further, in Southern California, there are very few natural lakes. Most are artificial reservoirs which means that water districts have direct authority over many of them (rather than the state) and they are leery of the mussels which can cause infrastructure issues because they breed so rapidly. Recreational use is also low on a water district’s list of priorities.

So, while most lakes I have been to do require spraying or using rental boats, I’ve never seen this required in a natural lake like those in the high sierras or Lake Tahoe (though it’s possible temperature is a factor as well and those lakes freeze up in the winter).

I think a lot of people get mixed up because our lakes, at least in Southern California, are mostly artificial and managed by whoever owns them.

I can’t speak with authority on how lakes are managed further north but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t similar.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

most liberals arent single issue voters.. I dont know of anyone in my church group for example that is pro-choice or pro trans/genitalia chopping...

they are however (by in large... obviously all are not exactly the same) for affirmative action type programs, a market system (as opposed to a free market system), against voucher systems for schools, very pro environment (to the point of being anti "big oil", etc), on board with the global warming thing, arent necessarily "anti-gun" but definitely want more controls in place on firearms (definitely not pro 2A), want more govt involvement in healthcare, want very clear and very defined separation of church and state, buy into the "tax the rich" concept (even though many of the people Im referring to are certainly on the very high end of middle class.. with some of them touching into the truly wealthy side of society), and are big proponents of govt subsidized welfare type programs..

For them, its a sum of the whole equation... they dont personally support abortion.. and wouldnt have one or advocate for one for their kids or anyone they care about... but they also dont support everyone in a house owning an AR15 or a true free market economy.. so... becoming a "republican" or a "conservative" makes as little sense to them as them being a "democrat" or a "liberal" does to you..

the truth is... I bet if any one of us compared our personal belief system line for line against any political partys platform, or against the voting record of any single politician, we'd very likely find out there are some stark differences between ourselves and the party being looked at...

You support what is closest to your beliefs...

Youre never going to find a party that is 100% in line with absolutely everything you stand for or believe in 100% of the time..

I don’t disagree. All I’m saying is a Christian (or any practicing Jew) flat out shouldn’t support the party that supports those things as a rule. Or be liberal on any other social issue and most other issues. Trump (among others) isn’t as pro life as I would like either but if someone votes democrat then they are complicit.

 

[Hunt anything]

@ Rocked and Loaded, totally understand. Many of the same arguments were made when they found zebra mussels and gobies in the Great Lakes, however many of these arguments turned out to be unfounded. While still a problem just not the end of the world that was predicted. And to a certain extent the introduction of hydrilla to south eastern lakes. They should come up with a solution in due time and not hamstring the users of the waters and still provide their main purpose of supplying water for household use.
Have they found quagga mussels in California?