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I watched this interview of Thune with Bret Baier last night and it is worth reading over on the Fox site. It is particularly worth parsing what he is actually saying among the assurances of support for the president, his agenda, etc.

A couple of comments are provided below:

"All these people have a process that they have to go through. All these nominees are – it's a – you know, advice and consent. That's the Senate's constitutional role when it comes to confirmation of nominations to the executive branch of the government. And we take that role seriously,"

He was also asked about recess appointments which many on the web have offered as way to appoint Gaetz without a vote.

"Well, it's an option, but obviously, it takes, you know, you have to have all Republicans vote to recess as well. So the same Republicans that you mentioned that might have a problem voting for somebody under regular order probably also have a problem voting to put the Senate into recess,"

He then affirmed that "........ these nominees deserve their day in court. They deserve a hearing, a confirmation hearing, an opportunity to be vetted. And the Senate will perform its constitutional role under advice and consent. But we are not going to allow the Democrats to thwart the will of the American people in giving President Trump the people that he wants in those positions to implement his agenda,"

However, he then concluded. "But obviously, there is a process whereby we get down and scrub all these nominees and figure out whether or not, one, they're qualified and are they people who are fit to hold these offices."

I do not see how Gaetz survives an actual hearing - particularly when democrats start reading to the American people the republican chaired findings of the republican led House Ethics Committee. It was due to be voted on with regard to its release this week (today actually) until Gaetz suddenly resigned. One would have to assume the votes were there to release it. They will paint him as the worst pedophile, sex trafficker, and drug addict since Osiel Cardenas Guillen.

The democrats will attempt to portray Gabbard as, at best, a Russian stooge. She has strongly, if perhaps unintentionally, publicly supported the Russian propaganda narrative with regard to the Ukraine war echoing a lot of the false statistics promulgated by Scott Ritter (now primarily living in Russia) and COL(R) Douglas Macgregor. Still. assuming there is no actual there there, she probably gets confirmed.

RFK jr will be a lightning rod for the "anti-science" narrative of the democrat party. That said, I suspect he will be effective as a witness, and barring something crazy in the hearing, can likely get fifty votes (all that is needed because Vance breaks any tie).

Assuming the Gaetz's hearing, if it ever takes place, will be a dumpster fire, Hegseth's hearing will be the most critical to a nominee. There is very little public record on him. Of the 150 mil people who voted this year and 75 million or so who supported Trump, perhaps a 1.5 million watch Fox. The democrats and press will portray him as unprepared/qualified for this appointment - not a difficult assignment. He has the opportunity to surprise those who do not know of him with his intellect and preparation for the hearing. We'll see. As of now, I would give him a fifty-fifty shot. That could swing significantly either way based upon his individual meetings with senators and the hearing.

20 republican senators will be up for election in 2026 and only 13 democrats. Depending on which state, several of those republicans will be working the calculus of whether it is better to be perceived as loyally supporting Trump or protecting the country, and even the president, from his worst instincts.

It should be a must watch TV spring.


I watched the Thune interview. I got the impression he did not think Gaetz will get through the process. He also tipped his hand that the same republicans that will not confirm Gaetz will also not allow a recess. So then no recess appointments can occur
 
Thune also said that he thought the Gaetz charges will be made public. Even though they can’t charge him anymore. They will be leaked

Many of us want the DOJ status quo
disrupted. But we also need to get some legislation through. Gaetz will only slow or halt that progress.
 
Gaetz - The DOJ dopped the case, that just leaves the house report. Of course the house report will be bad, will it be believable considering the DOJ dropped their case? Of course not, but the D's will run with it, MSM will run with it and it might kill his chance. However, he has a second chance with an appointment to the Senate. That would really mind screw the D's.

RFK, Jr - he gets through without much problem. After all his father was part of Camelot and the apple does not fall from from the tree.
 
My wife has suffered from constant digestive issues here in the States for decades; but we can spend two weeks gorging ourselves in Italy, France, Ireland, or Scotland without so much as a hint of trouble. It's the only time I can do that and still come back five pounds lighter.

I noticed the same thing with my trips to Australia; first couple of days can be rough with the time change and gastrointestinal issues from change of diet, but after that it's a MUCH better standard of living and quality of life.

After the first few days I can tell the difference in bathroom routine, sleep and generally just feeling better, and this isn't a placebo effect; upon returning to the USA I spend DAYS in agony with my stomach churning.

Several things are blatantly different in the USA......

Coffee - EVERY servo(gas station) even in the hinterlands of Australia can make a cup of coffee that will hands down beat the swill that we are fed by blue haired baristas in the USA.

Bacon - Australian bacon is superior in every way, seriously we've been cheated and lied to for generations and from a national pride standpoint it's a disgrace; Make Bacon Great Again!

Candy and Drinks - When I'm out of the USA I notice that my cravings for sugar all but disappear; however when I do buy chewing gum or the odd candy, I notice that Australian candy is free from dyes and largely free from artificial flavors.

Portions vs. Quality - Yes the portions are smaller, however the quality is night and day superior and I actually feel as though Australians get what they pay for and we as Americans simply get the lowest quality that we're willing to accept.

I've been to Australia twice and spent a total of 3 months there and while talking to Australian's and upon them learning that I'm American, I've had no less than 6 people ask me.....

"Is it true that Wal-Mart has electric scooters for people that are too fat to walk?"

Canola oil - Before the refinement process was invented to take the bad taste and toxins out of canola oil, it's primary use was for machinery lubricant.

Hopefully Robert Kennedy can make some meaningful changes to our food supply.
 
I think Gaetz is just a “Cathodic Anode” to take the focus and attention for a while. I think the eventual AG is the announced assist AG Todd Blanche. Who will also clean up the DOJ.
Trump has announced he has no intention on chasing down political opponents and using the DOJ as Obama and Biden have.
 
I'll bet you a nice dinner that Gaetz's nom never makes it to a vote. The senate will love to find an issue where they can say we are with you Mr President, but .............. Gaetz will provide an irresistible and totally justifiable opportunity.

@Wheels did you take up Red Leg in this? Sounds like a great deal.
Best case scenario, we get destructive progress at DoJ.
Worst case scenario, you get dinner with Red Leg.
Can’t go wrong! Some guys have all the luck…
 
I noticed the same thing with my trips to Australia; first couple of days can be rough with the time change and gastrointestinal issues from change of diet, but after that it's a MUCH better standard of living and quality of life.

After the first few days I can tell the difference in bathroom routine, sleep and generally just feeling better, and this isn't a placebo effect; upon returning to the USA I spend DAYS in agony with my stomach churning.

Several things are blatantly different in the USA......

Coffee - EVERY servo(gas station) even in the hinterlands of Australia can make a cup of coffee that will hands down beat the swill that we are fed by blue haired baristas in the USA.

Bacon - Australian bacon is superior in every way, seriously we've been cheated and lied to for generations and from a national pride standpoint it's a disgrace; Make Bacon Great Again!

Candy and Drinks - When I'm out of the USA I notice that my cravings for sugar all but disappear; however when I do buy chewing gum or the odd candy, I notice that Australian candy is free from dyes and largely free from artificial flavors.

Portions vs. Quality - Yes the portions are smaller, however the quality is night and day superior and I actually feel as though Australians get what they pay for and we as Americans simply get the lowest quality that we're willing to accept.

I've been to Australia twice and spent a total of 3 months there and while talking to Australian's and upon them learning that I'm American, I've had no less than 6 people ask me.....

"Is it true that Wal-Mart has electric scooters for people that are too fat to walk?"

Canola oil - Before the refinement process was invented to take the bad taste and toxins out of canola oil, it's primary use was for machinery lubricant.

Hopefully Robert Kennedy can make some meaningful changes to our food supply.
Yeah, the US isn't great in this respect.

I work for a food (beverage) producing company with business units on basically every continent. I am intimately familiar with the EU food regs, the Canadian food regs, and the FDA requirements in the US.

Suffice to say, if we want to move a product from our EU business (or Canada) to the US, I have no concerns with the formulation meeting FDA standards and my focus is on cost optimisation. The only exception that springs to mind is gluten free claims.

By contrast, moving a US product to Europe is a 100% guaranteed reformulation... you do the math on that one.
 
As expected, typical left leaning answers. Vehemently disagree with her on all points.
I have very different take. That sounded very well reasoned to me. It is also a response from a woman who has served both as an enlisted soldier and commissioned officer. She has been deployed, and currently holds the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. I strongly agree with her position with respect to a draft. I am genuinely interested what you found to be so "leftist."

I have served with female officers and enlisted personnel my whole career. Field Artillery was something of the pace setter within combat arms. Like their male counterparts, they ran the gambit with respect to performance. I do believe there are some jobs for which most women should not be expected to perform. For instance a tank or howitzer crew breaking track is a brutally physical endeavor. Rucking in body armor is not for the frail (man or woman). It is why any real integration of women into those MOS's has been very very slow and is likely to never amount to a significant percentage of the force.

But for most military positions, I have no issue with a woman who meets the physical and other standards for the billet. We have had some superb Apache pilots and gunners who were female. The air force seems to be generally pleased with the quality of female pilots they are creating - many who have also seen combat. Women in the armed services aren't going anywhere.

Gabbard has supported different messages on the 2A, but then again she was representing Hawaii. She apparently has also done some competitive shooting.
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@Wheels did you take up Red Leg in this? Sounds like a great deal.
Best case scenario, we get destructive progress at DoJ.
Worst case scenario, you get dinner with Red Leg.
Can’t go wrong! Some guys have all the luck…

I did not take @Red Leg up on the bet. We normally see each other at DSC and I have always enjoyed the time spent with he and his lovely wife. With DSC moving for five years I am not sure when the next time we will be together. Regardless of the bet, I am happy to take Red Leg to dinner at any time on my nickel. If he is ever in our humble neck of the woods, I fix a better ribeye than the restaurants. ;) We also communicate periodically outside the AH Forums. We probably agree 95%+ of the time. It's the other 5% that makes discussions with well read intelligent individuals interesting and worthwhile.
 
When we look back on Trump's second term, we may find that the most important thing he accomplished in his first term was the reshaping of SCOTUS, allowing Trump to do the things he wanted in the second.

The SCOTUS cases cited by Ramaswamy all happened during the Biden years, allowing Trump the opportunity to be more successful in his second term. In June and July, Loper Bright, SEC and Corner Post were discussed on this thread extensively.

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Yeah, the US isn't great in this respect.

I work for a food (beverage) producing company with business units on basically every continent. I am intimately familiar with the EU food regs, the Canadian food regs, and the FDA requirements in the US.

Suffice to say, if we want to move a product from our EU business (or Canada) to the US, I have no concerns with the formulation meeting FDA standards and my focus is on cost optimisation. The only exception that springs to mind is gluten free claims.

By contrast, moving a US product to Europe is a 100% guaranteed reformulation... you do the math on that one.
It’s very interesting about different ingredients in the same food. My 10 H2A farm workers will normally bring a supply of Cokes and Pepsi products with them from Mexico every year. The stuff they bring from Mexico evidently has real sugar and the stuff manufactured here has high fructose corn syrup. Definitely a better taste to the Mexican drinks as opposed to the domestic drinks.
 
If Thune shows that he is establishment business as usual, the conservative wolves will be howling at his door.

The majority did not vote for D.C swamp business as usual
And do what? Serious question. He is no Liz Cheney and he has just demonstrated he has the support of most of the senate. He also last won reelection with around 70% of the vote of his constituents. He could care less if MAGA loyalists decide to howl at his door. It is one more reason Trump has to get things done politically and decide which battles are worth fighting.
 
When we look back on Trump's second term, we may find that the most important thing he accomplished in his first term was the reshaping of SCOTUS, allowing Trump to do the things he wanted in the second.

The SCOTUS cases cited by Ramaswamy all happened during the Biden years, allowing Trump the opportunity to be more successful in his second term. In June and July, Loper Bright, SEC and Corner Post were discussed on this thread extensively.

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I totally agree. Executive orders tend to have the lifespan of a Luna moth.

I will be curious to see how much DOGE can really accomplish. It will have no authority. I may be wrong, but any real structural changes almost certainly will require legislation.
 
I watched this interview of Thune with Bret Baier last night and it is worth reading over on the Fox site. It is particularly worth parsing what he is actually saying among the assurances of support for the president, his agenda, etc.

A couple of comments are provided below:

"All these people have a process that they have to go through. All these nominees are – it's a – you know, advice and consent. That's the Senate's constitutional role when it comes to confirmation of nominations to the executive branch of the government. And we take that role seriously,"

He was also asked about recess appointments which many on the web have offered as way to appoint Gaetz without a vote.

"Well, it's an option, but obviously, it takes, you know, you have to have all Republicans vote to recess as well. So the same Republicans that you mentioned that might have a problem voting for somebody under regular order probably also have a problem voting to put the Senate into recess,"

He then affirmed that "........ these nominees deserve their day in court. They deserve a hearing, a confirmation hearing, an opportunity to be vetted. And the Senate will perform its constitutional role under advice and consent. But we are not going to allow the Democrats to thwart the will of the American people in giving President Trump the people that he wants in those positions to implement his agenda,"

However, he then concluded. "But obviously, there is a process whereby we get down and scrub all these nominees and figure out whether or not, one, they're qualified and are they people who are fit to hold these offices."

I do not see how Gaetz survives an actual hearing - particularly when democrats start reading to the American people the republican chaired findings of the republican led House Ethics Committee. It was due to be voted on with regard to its release this week (today actually) until Gaetz suddenly resigned. One would have to assume the votes were there to release it. They will paint him as the worst pedophile, sex trafficker, and drug addict since Osiel Cardenas Guillen.

The democrats will attempt to portray Gabbard as, at best, a Russian stooge. She has strongly, if perhaps unintentionally, publicly supported the Russian propaganda narrative with regard to the Ukraine war echoing a lot of the false statistics promulgated by Scott Ritter (now primarily living in Russia) and COL(R) Douglas Macgregor. Still. assuming there is no actual there there, she probably gets confirmed.

RFK jr will be a lightning rod for the "anti-science" narrative of the democrat party. That said, I suspect he will be effective as a witness, and barring something crazy in the hearing, can likely get fifty votes (all that is needed because Vance breaks any tie).

Assuming the Gaetz's hearing, if it ever takes place, will be a dumpster fire, Hegseth's hearing will be the most critical to a nominee. There is very little public record on him. Of the 150 mil people who voted this year and 75 million or so who supported Trump, perhaps a 1.5 million watch Fox. The democrats and press will portray him as unprepared/qualified for this appointment - not a difficult assignment. He has the opportunity to surprise those who do not know of him with his intellect and preparation for the hearing. We'll see. As of now, I would give him a fifty-fifty shot. That could swing significantly either way based upon his individual meetings with senators and the hearing.

20 republican senators will be up for election in 2026 and only 13 democrats. Depending on which state, several of those republicans will be working the calculus of whether it is better to be perceived as loyally supporting Trump or protecting the country, and even the president, from his worst instincts.

It should be a must watch TV spring.
My understanding of Pete Hegseth came primarily from watching the " Shawn Ryan show" an excellent interview and personal perspective . highly recommend it. If Gaetz is guilty of accusations, I would say kick him out however it would be a dirty show for the news, he denies it. Tulsy Gabbard all I can say is she definitely supports Vets, military, Trump, and freedom of speech beyond that she came over from the dems after a long time? by the way who is osiel guillen. maybe an Epstein ?
 
I did not take @Red Leg up on the bet. We normally see each other at DSC and I have always enjoyed the time spent with he and his lovely wife. With DSC moving for five years I am not sure when the next time we will be together. Regardless of the bet, I am happy to take Red Leg to dinner at any time on my nickel. If he is ever in our humble neck of the woods, I fix a better ribeye than the restaurants. ;) We also communicate periodically outside the AH Forums. We probably agree 95%+ of the time. It's the other 5% that makes discussions with well read intelligent individuals interesting and worthwhile.
At least 95% of the time.

OK is a truly beautiful state. Some of our happiest family time memories are of the two commands I held at Fort Sill in the early and then late nineties. I even "danced" in an honor Pow Wow for soldiers returning from Desert Storm. "Dances with Wolves" was in the theaters, and I asked my lovely bride if I reminded her of Kevin Costner. She laughed out loud. :rolleyes:

While at the pentagon, I worked army issues closer with Jim Inhofe and his staff than any other member of either house. The only framed thing that I have from that period is a kind note and kind words in the Congressional Record from him upon my reassignment in 02. You are lucky to call OK home.

There are people whose opinions are worth debating. @Wheels has always been at the top of my list.
 
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It’s very interesting about different ingredients in the same food. My 10 H2A farm workers will normally bring a supply of Cokes and Pepsi products with them from Mexico every year. The stuff they bring from Mexico evidently has real sugar and the stuff manufactured here has high fructose corn syrup. Definitely a better taste to the Mexican drinks as opposed to the domestic drinks.

Back when I was practicing law, a guy on my floor sold his high fructose business in Mexico to Corn Products. He spent most of his time trying to get Mexicans to buy product with high fructose. I have not seen him in 14 years, but considering everywhere in San Antonio sells Mexican cokes with real sugar I would guess he’s been unsuccessful. And yes they taste way better, but my cokes usually have added ingredients.
 

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