Well, Hitler or Stalin. Remember, Stalin "eliminated" some THREE MILLION of his "friends and closest advisors" in his mentally deranged purge of those that were "out to get him". He had their faces removed from every photograph ever taken. Putin hasn't gone that far yet, but then again, he now has nuclear weapons to "purge" any perceived enemies or threats against him. Truly a nightmare scenario for the entire world.
obviously to cut the gas source to Germany to push the Europeans into finding different sources of gas instead of making rubles for Russia
www.abc.net.au
obviously to cut the gas source to Germany to push the Europeans into finding different sources of gas instead of making rubles for Russia
if Putin wanted to cut the supply he has a spigot to shut it down he did not need to blow it up or hide what he would do, he has been dealing with Germany from the start about how to keep the gas flowing to Germany while Germany is against the Russians LOL
Europe is going to go through some very tough times this winter
strange days ahead now that the referendum to join Russia outcome is being announced
l'm sure there will be a few changes made, but hey instead of sending more nato weapons of war and billions of American dollars to create peace for the common people of Ukraine, Ukraine could always cut their losses and try to work things out instead
Putin ally issues 'apocalypse' warning as Kremlin prepares to annex parts of Ukraine
Pro-Moscow officials say residents in four occupied areas of Ukraine have voted to join Russia in a Kremlin-orchestrated vote that has been dismissed by the US and its Western allies as illegitimate.
I saw where 94% of the population of one Ukranian "enclave" "voted" to become part of Russia. Ha! Ha! Ha! You couldn't get 94% of the population of any enclave, city, county, borough, homeless camp, or Space Station anywhere in the WORLD or BEYOND to vote for ANYTHING at a 94% approval rating! What a joke!obviously to cut the gas source to Germany to push the Europeans into finding different sources of gas instead of making rubles for Russia
if Putin wanted to cut the supply he has a spigot to shut it down he did not need to blow it up or hide what he would do, he has been dealing with Germany from the start about how to keep the gas flowing to Germany while Germany is against the Russians LOL
Europe is going to go through some very tough times this winter
strange days ahead now that the referendum to join Russia outcome is being announced
l'm sure there will be a few changes made, but hey instead of sending more nato weapons of war and billions of American dollars to create peace for the common people of Ukraine, Ukraine could always cut their losses and try to work things out instead
Putin ally issues 'apocalypse' warning as Kremlin prepares to annex parts of Ukraine
Pro-Moscow officials say residents in four occupied areas of Ukraine have voted to join Russia in a Kremlin-orchestrated vote that has been dismissed by the US and its Western allies as illegitimate.
You can when you have the AK in your hands and hand them the ballot....
Or simply keep doing what they are doing. I mean, after all, Ukraine has essentially defeated Russia's standing army (the second army in the world? I mean, everyone surely buys into that charade after this demonstration of incompetence and ineptitude). But no worries, all will be just fine. He is deploying the untrained and the ill equipped to salvage the situation. What a 20 year old trained T-80 tank commander couldn't do, a 45 year old in a T-62 will salvage. It will be interesting to see how many more knots Putin can twist into the excuses for this utterly catastrophic special military operation before the Russian people have had enough.obviously to cut the gas source to Germany to push the Europeans into finding different sources of gas instead of making rubles for Russia
if Putin wanted to cut the supply he has a spigot to shut it down he did not need to blow it up or hide what he would do, he has been dealing with Germany from the start about how to keep the gas flowing to Germany while Germany is against the Russians LOL
Europe is going to go through some very tough times this winter
strange days ahead now that the referendum to join Russia outcome is being announced
l'm sure there will be a few changes made, but hey instead of sending more nato weapons of war and billions of American dollars to create peace for the common people of Ukraine, Ukraine could always cut their losses and try to work things out instead
Putin ally issues 'apocalypse' warning as Kremlin prepares to annex parts of Ukraine
Pro-Moscow officials say residents in four occupied areas of Ukraine have voted to join Russia in a Kremlin-orchestrated vote that has been dismissed by the US and its Western allies as illegitimate.
Well, history has shown what Chamberlain's "doctrine of appeasement" produced? Only a strategically and perhaps costly delay for the Allies entering WW2. Hmmm...... Chamberlain and Biden? Both braindead diplomats!
True.
obviously to cut the gas source to Germany to push the Europeans into finding different sources of gas instead of making rubles for Russia
if Putin wanted to cut the supply he has a spigot to shut it down he did not need to blow it up or hide what he would do, he has been dealing with Germany from the start about how to keep the gas flowing to Germany while Germany is against the Russians LOL
Europe is going to go through some very tough times this winter
strange days ahead now that the referendum to join Russia outcome is being announced
l'm sure there will be a few changes made, but hey instead of sending more nato weapons of war and billions of American dollars to create peace for the common people of Ukraine, Ukraine could always cut their losses and try to work things out instead
Putin ally issues 'apocalypse' warning as Kremlin prepares to annex parts of Ukraine
Pro-Moscow officials say residents in four occupied areas of Ukraine have voted to join Russia in a Kremlin-orchestrated vote that has been dismissed by the US and its Western allies as illegitimate.
I agree with you here. But I do think there with be multilateral agreements with Ukraine for protection etc IF they conform to certain western ideals and standards (and western beneficial trade agreements etc).
Apparent Sabotage Disables Nord Stream 1 and 2, Cutting Off All Direct Gas Supply to Germany from Russia
Anonymous German officials appear to acknowledge the strong possibility of American or NATO involvementwww.eugyppius.com
Germany warned by CIA of possible attack on Nord Stream gas pipeline weeks in advance: report
The CIA reportedly warned Germany of possible attacks on Baltic Sea gas pipelines weeks ahead of leaks being discovered on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines.www.foxnews.com
Well this is some real Tom Clancy sh&t. Apparently, both Nord Stream pipelines were blown overnight (one Nord Stream 2 line - they are paired - may remain). Judging by the size of the rising gas, they were completely cut, and likely so extensively damaged as to require several months are longer to repair. All three blasts were near simultaneous and took place just outside any territorial waters. The obvious explosive charges were sufficient to register on Scandinavian seismic stations. They also were detonated the same time the new Baltic line running from Norway to Poland (further reducing Western European dependence on Russia) was inaugurated.
I have yet to see an indication of water depth, but considering the location and time of year, this likely wasn't three guys with snorkels operating from a fishing boat. This would have had to have been done by professional naval SOF team. Russia, the US, and probably three other NATO countries would have the expertise to do it. Both Russia and the US could have used SOF teams operating from submarines. I am unsure about British, French, or German underwater capability, though over the side deployment would be possible from a surface vessel depending upon depth. If that happened there is likely a radar paper trail.
So who and why?
Russia did it in a snit and to potentially threaten other pipelines like the new Baltic line.
a) Nord Stream 2 has never been opened
b) Nord Stream 1 has been largely down for "maintenance" reasons for a couple of months
Russia did it because it believes severing natural gas completely will cause panic in Western Europe as winter approaches.
a) Closing the tap would have seemed more effective than destroying it. If the flow can't be turned back on, then the leverage against NATO vanishes.
b) Is an explicit threat to the new Norwegian pipeline.
Russia did it to cast suspicion on the US and thus break NATO solidarity - a Russian "false flag" operation.
Putin did it to undermine internal opposition wanting to make an accommodation with Ukraine and NATO
The US did it.
a) Removes much of the leverage of opposition European parties to continuing support of Ukraine.
b) Accelerates European search for alternative sources.
Germany did it. See "a" above.
Russian ultra-nationalists within the Russian Military/Government did it as a way of forcing Putin to take more decisive actions against Ukraine. A burning bridges action.
a) Declaration of martial law
b) Full mobilization
c) Use of weapons of mass destruction.
Aliens did it to study our reactions.
If the US did indeed warn Germany of just such a possibility (see story attached), it does weaken the case against the US significantly.
I would also note that though the US has this capability, and contrary to what conspiracy theorists will be assuming, something so obvious really isn't our modus operandi.
The extraordinary thing to me is the complete lack of outrage by anyone on either side more than 24 hours after the event. OK Tucker was excited last night assuming the blasts forecast nuclear Armageddon and an environmental catastrophe (not so much - natural gas not oil), but he couldn't even get Tulsi Gabbard to agree with him.
www.dw.com
The extraordinary thing to me is the complete lack of outrage by anyone on either side more than 24 hours after the event. OK Tucker was excited last night assuming the blasts forecast nuclear Armageddon and an environmental catastrophe (not so much - natural gas not oil), but he couldn't even get Tulsi Gabbard to agree with him.
Just a few days ago (Sep 20) Germany announced it's storage capacity was 90% full and would reach 95% by November (without additional Russian natural gas). There will be a challenge to get them topped back up before next winter, but Germany may be ok this winter.
German gas storage 90% full ahead of winter – DW – 09/20/2022
German Economy Minister Robert Habeck said Germany has a chance of getting through the winter "comfortably" despite the lack of Russian gas. Germany is on track to meet a 95% storage capacity target by November.
