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I would add another factor that is sometimes overlooked, although it is important. Among the demands that Putin has voiced and repeatedly repeated is "denazification." It's about changing the ideology that is now the basis of the statehood of Ukraine. I don't know how widely it is known, but in 2019 the UN adopted a "resolution on combating the glorification of Nazism", which was voted against by two countries - Ukraine and the United States. The United States, as I understand it, is simply out of solidarity with Ukraine.
This is an important issue, and the Russians in general would like to resolve it. It was not for nothing that the head of the Russian delegation was Medinsky, the former Minister of Culture. He is from Ukraine, his great-uncle was a teacher of the Russian language and was executed for this by the Ukrainian fascists-Banderits, they publicly cut him into pieces and forbade him to be buried. The flag of the Bandera organization of the UPA is black and red, it often flashes next to the state one, as well as the flag of the Waffen-SS division "Galicia". All this must be eradicated.
There was a question about Shoigu: he is half, by his father, a Tuvan, (Tuvans - if you don't go into details - Mongols). But he was born and raised in the Donbass, the village was recently liberated, and the church where he was baptized.
Mr. Vashper, you are repeating, in a slightly toned-down way, official Russian propaganda. Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia is at war with Ukraine. Russia made this war over absurd accusations. This is a fact. I have visited Ukraine several times in the last few years. The notion that Russian-speaking people were persecuted there is absurd. A very large portion of the Ukrainian population speaks Russian and in Kyiv and Lviv Russian language could be heard everywhere. It is also the most commonly used language amongst the Ukrainian migrants living in Poland.
Poland is now involved in a huge effort to support Ukraine and Ukrainians in military, economic, and humanitarian ways. If your perception is that Poland and Poles are supporting UPA and Bandera followers you must be intoxicated or, and I mean no disrespect, ill. The unthinkable atrocities of the genocide committed by these people against Poles in 1943-44 in Wołyń have not been forgotten. I think Poles would sooner side with Hitler than UPA and Bandera.