Politics

[Ridge Runner]

I'm confused.
Is this PolySci or English thread?
I think I'm in the wrong thread.

 

[Mekaniks]

I'm confused.
Is this PolySci or English thread?
I think I'm in the wrong thread.

It transforms...last week it was the religion thread....

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Yesterday I couldn’t even spell English Major. Today I are one.

What a maroon! "I" is singular, not plural. "Are" implies plural. You should've said "Today I is one." Duh.

 

[Corey0372]

The US military - SOF or conventional - can not decide on its own to arm anyone.

I fully understand that and I never made that claim.

But the SECDEF, nor any Combatant Commander can make the decision to arm a third party without a civilian executive directive or concurrence.

I believe I stated that in my initial response here.

While the use of 127e funding does require concurrence from the relevant Chief of Mission, the money is earmarked for, and comes from, the DOD does it not?

 

[Red Leg]

Interesting view of Trump, Ukraine, and his key cabinet picks from the perspective of Russian media.

 

[Red Leg]

I fully understand that and I never made that claim.



I believe I stated that in my initial response here.

Then what the devil are we debating? I simply object to the implication in the article that the Pentagon created and was implementing one policy of arming rebels anywhere while the CIA was doing the same with another. For whatever the reason, good - bad - or indifferent, the administration had chosen to do both. The funding chain is pretty much irrelevant which is what the article in essence attempts to exploit.

 

[Ridge Runner]

It transforms...last week it was the religion thread....

When it transforms to trig I'm changing threads.

 

[Corey0372]

I simply object to the implication in the article that the Pentagon created and was implementing one policy of arming rebels anywhere while the CIA was doing the same with another.

You objecting to the implication doesn't mean that's not exactly what happened. Again, Timber Sycamore took place from 2011 to about 2015, this was the covert arming of anti-Assad forces by the CIA. Many of those forces would lose their direct funding and support from the US as they were absorbed into ISIS.

A few years later (2015-2019) when the defeat ISIS campaign truly began to gain steam, USSOF backed 127e forces would in fact find themselves on the battlefield opposite the aforementioned groups who had previously been backed by the CIA.

 

[Wheels]

Looks like DOS/CIA were the victors.

 

[mdwest]

Let’s merge religion and what’s happened in Syria this week by all reviewing Isiah seventeen… and then provide commentary here…

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Looks like DOS/CIA were the victors.

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Hard not to be happy for the average Syrian having lived under the Assad family all these years. Equally hard not to be concerned if the new boss will be the same as the old boss if not worse.

 

[Wheels]

Hard not to be happy for the average Syrian having lived under the Assad family all these years. Equally hard not to be concerned if the new boss will be the same as the old boss if not worse.

Have a feeling it won't be better. Especially for the Christians, Druze and Alawites.

 

[Red Leg]

You objecting to the implication doesn't mean that's not exactly what happened. Again, Timber Sycamore took place from 2011 to about 2015, this was the covert arming of anti-Assad forces by the CIA. Many of those forces would lose their direct funding and support from the US as they were absorbed into ISIS.

A few years later (2015-2019) when the defeat ISIS campaign truly began to gain steam, USSOF backed 127e forces would in fact find themselves on the battlefield opposite the aforementioned groups who had previously been backed by the CIA.

Sigh. I know it happened. But neither CG SOCOM nor a rouge regional commander made a unilateral decision to arm anyone.

 

[Corey0372]

Sigh. I know it happened. But neither CG SOCOM nor a rouge regional commander made a unilateral decision to arm anyone.

Again, that is not nor was it ever my claim.

However, 127e CONOPS do generally begin life at the TSOC, and the funding for those programs (to include the purchase of arms for forces other than US Forces) come from the DOD. The DOD also does have policies and procedures for "requesting, approving, implementing accounting for and reporting the use of authority" for those programs.

You made the claim that the DOD does not arm anyone other than US Forces, you then made the claim that there was no policy for those programs. I am simply arguing that those are inaccurate statements.

 

[steve white]

Let’s merge religion and what’s happened in Syria this week by all reviewing Isiah seventeen… and then provide commentary here…

Isaiah 17: I'm going to assume you are keying in on verse one, really--that Damascus will become a ruinous heap. Yep, even though Damascus is the world's most ancient CONTINUOUSLY INHABITED city, it will be turned to rubble. Might that not even sound nuclear?...And it has not happened in history, so it is coming in the future, prophetically. I think it will be literal, and as some people say, of Biblical proportions. No preterist can really explain it away as having already happened as described, IMHO.
For your reading pleasure, there is also a prophesy that Egypt will become uninhabitable for 50 years. Dirty bomb? Your guess is as good as mine...

I also think that Isaiah 18, in more modern translations, describes the people of South Sudan, tall and warlike, and living in the lands of whirring wings (mosquitos by the millions in the Nile Sudd which get on the same cadence with a maddening whirring rhythm) And in a divided portion of the Nile--that would be the formidable Great Sudd swamp--which stopped exploration for most of history.

 

[CoElkHunter]

You spelled break wrong......

Not on this forum. LOL

 

[Red Leg]

Again, that is not nor was it ever my claim.

However, 127e CONOPS do generally begin life at the TSOC, and the funding for those programs (to include the purchase of arms for forces other than US Forces) come from the DOD. The DOD also does have policies and procedures for "requesting, approving, implementing accounting for and reporting the use of authority" for those programs.

You made the claim that the DOD does not arm anyone other than US Forces, you then made the claim that there was no policy for those programs. I am simply arguing that those are inaccurate statements.

For Christ sake. Of course DOD arms other militaries or armed elements - it is called military assistance. It is why each service has a GO in charge of the effort. Some is funded by DOD, most is funded by receiving government. When I use the word “policy” I am not referring to rules governing the supply or funding for those arms. I am referring to the national policy that determines who gets what and how. Neither DOD nor anyone in SOCOM makes those decisions.

 

[Neophyte]

l like it when you guys define this stuff so I don't have to look it up! As a former Jarhead, I do better with pictures.

If you didn’t eat your vegetables today I have some green crayons you can eat.
It’s important to eat a balanced diet.

 

[spike.t]

Stasi in action .....

 

[spike.t]

Mmmmmm......