Politics

[Red Leg]

Interesting chart:

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Source?

 

[Pondoro]

 

[Hunt anything]

Source?

This is an interesting chart but how did they come up with the numbers and how did they verify them? I’m with you @redleg, what’s the source?

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Apparently a massive phone outage is occurring now. AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile all impacted, according to news reports. Text still works. Wondering if this is a cyber attack. Get the foil hats ready!

Cellphone outage hits AT&T customers nationwide; Verizon and T-Mobile users also affected

AT&T has yet to say anything about a reported service outage impacting tens of thousands of customers nationwide Thursday morning.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Red Leg]

This is an interesting chart but how did they come up with the numbers and how did they verify them? I’m with you @redleg, what’s the source?

Could be I suppose. There has been a lot of that sort of "analysis' floating around for a while. Lindell fell for some of it.

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-confirms-5-million-award-to-lindells-prove-mike-wrong-contest-winner/

 

[Red Leg]

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That is truly funny.

 

[Brent in Az]

Truth. It would be the final death blow to this country.

 

[Doubleplay]

Source?

Probably QAnan..

 

[Doubleplay]

Judge Engoron, is judicial scum. Many more of his ilk sit on benches across this country.
Political hitmen for the radical left.

New York is nothing but a wart on the ass of this country.

Maybe, however New York is third state after CA and TX contributing most to US economy and keeping states like MS, AL, WV, LA afloat.

 

[PARA45]

Apparently a massive phone outage is occurring now. AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile all impacted, according to news reports. Text still works. Wondering if this is a cyber attack. Get the foil hats ready!

Cellphone outage hits AT&T customers nationwide; Verizon and T-Mobile users also affected

AT&T has yet to say anything about a reported service outage impacting tens of thousands of customers nationwide Thursday morning.

www.foxbusiness.com

I have AT&T, and my phone is on SOS mode, I can't send messages.

 

[Brent in Az]

Maybe, however New York is third state after CA and TX contributing most to US economy and keeping states like MS, AL, WV, LA afloat.

Economics has nothing to do with my remark

 

[Red Leg]

Interesting chart:

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Looks like this was posted in Saidit which is both a news aggradation site with community chat much Reddit? It seems to offer no supporting evidence or methodology there as well. One comment by mrwizzard did say "it is all legit, i can vouch for the chart" so it must be true?

It is quite possible, even likely, this is not the original source of the material, so perhaps there is supporting commentary elsewhere. There is apparently a three-year old source link in comments, but it is no longer functional. Nor is the link for the original post on a site called media.thedonald.win seemingly working. If that date is correct it makes the detail of the analysis even more remarkable.

https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/76eu/vote_irregularities_and_illegalities_by_category/

I have no doubt there were voting irregularities in the 20 election. It is hardly a new phenomena in American politics. What I see no evidence of is some sort of national conspiracy to flip the election for Biden. Did the democrats take advantage of the whole COVID mail-in ballot opportunity with ground game? You bet they did. Where those rules are still in place, they will be prepared to do so again, and I see little evidence that the republican party is any more ready to counter that with their own effort this year than they were in '20.

 

[Doubleplay]

Economics has nothing to do with my remark

I get it but money is everything in the age we live in.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

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As someone who built CRAP-TONS of models as a kid (preference was WWII planes)... I choked laughing at this today. Thanks for that - I love it when a day starts with a hard laugh.

 

[rookhawk]

Looks like this was posted in Saidit which is both a news aggradation site with community chat much Reddit? It seems to offer no supporting evidence or methodology there as well. One comment by mrwizzard did say "it is all legit, i can vouch for the chart" so it must be true?

It is quite possible, even likely, this is not the original source of the material, so perhaps there is supporting commentary elsewhere. There is apparently a three-year old source link in comments, but it is no longer functional. Nor is the link for the original post on a site called media.thedonald.win seemingly working. If that date is correct it makes the detail of the analysis even more remarkable.

https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/76eu/vote_irregularities_and_illegalities_by_category/

I have no doubt there were voting irregularities in the 20 election. It is hardly a new phenomena in American politics. What I see no evidence of is some sort of national conspiracy to flip the election for Biden. Did the democrats take advantage of the whole COVID mail-in ballot opportunity with ground game? You bet they did. Where those rules are still in place, they will be prepared to do so again, and I see little evidence that the republican party is any more ready to counter that with their own effort this year than they were in '20.

Part of my job the past 30 years has been dealing with conspiracies, malfeasance, and collusion.

The falacy Americans operate under is the notion that most things are conspiracies of a sort like this: a star chamber, a smoke filled room of three piece suit wearing globalists, everyone votes like a scene from the Godfather, and they move forward with their plot. Life rarely works like that.

What does happen is natural forces, independent actors pushing for their own self interests without central organization.

There is no need for a central figure to preside over a conspiracy to screw up an election. Grassroots ballot harvesters. Self-interested criminals illegally voting. Illegals voting for more gimmies. One-party rule election officials choosing to prefer policies that benefit their party. Activist judges ruling in favor of counting rules or eligibility of late-entry ballots. Individuals voting twice. Individuals voting out of district where their vote matters more.

As evidenced by median IQ, net worth, and incarceration rates, one party in America is more inclined to follow rules and lose cleanly, the other party is more inclined to be of "end justifies the means" ilk.

Conspiracies to break the system require no central coordination or cooperation amongst parties.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Part of my job the past 30 years has been dealing with conspiracies, malfeasance, and collusion.

The falacy Americans operate under is the notion that most things are conspiracies of a sort like this: a star chamber, a smoke filled room of three piece suit wearing globalists, everyone votes like a scene from the Godfather, and they move forward with their plot. Life rarely works like that.

What does happen is natural forces, independent actors pushing for their own self interests without central organization.

There is no need for a central figure to preside over a conspiracy to screw up an election. Grassroots ballot harvesters. Self-interested criminals illegally voting. Illegals voting for more gimmies. One-party rule election officials choosing to prefer policies that benefit their party. Activist judges ruling in favor of counting rules or eligibility of late-entry ballots. Individuals voting twice. Individuals voting out of district where their vote matters more.

Conspiracies to break the system require no central coordination or cooperation amongst parties.

I have to agree with @rookhawk in this.

Any military needs good order and discipline to be effective. That with centralized command and control are keys to success!

A resistance needs only motive and local leaders to cause trouble for an establishment or opposing military force. If no one is in charge, there is no one to blame.

The novel Rifleman Dodd by C.S. Forester is a fictional accounting of what one barely literate professional soldier could do to instigate trouble for the enemy. In the end no one gave him any credit for his actions but he was happy to rejoin his unit.

I think there were and still are a whole bunch of anti-Trumpers, anti-conservative, ANTIFA and so on ready to cause whatever interference they can get away with!

 

[rookhawk]

I have to agree with @rookhawk in this.

Any military needs good order and discipline to be effective. That with centralized command and control are keys to success!

A resistance needs only motive and local leaders to cause trouble for an establishment or opposing military force. If no one is in charge, there is no one to blame.

The novel Rifleman Dodd by C.S. Forester is a fictional accounting of what one barely literate professional soldier could do to instigate trouble for the enemy. In the end no one gave him any credit for his actions but he was happy to rejoin his unit.

I think there were and still are a whole bunch of anti-Trumpers, anti-conservative, ANTIFA and so on ready to cause whatever interference they can get away with!

A perfect example of collusion of interests can be found in WI. Last year, $50 million in campaign funding came into the State to elect a WI supreme court justice. The winner ran on a campaign that she would redistrict the State in favor of democrats and would rule in favor of abortion laws. Mission accomplished, she won and she did. Only one political party tolerates a judge running on a platform of how they will rule in the future on potential cases which they have not been briefed. The other party would obviously have to recuse from a case they have "weighed in upon" prior to hearing arguments in court.

Did it take Soros alone to make this happen? Nope. You had local democrats motivated. You had teachers union. You had feminists. You had lobbyists. You and PACs. More people wanted to cheat to make this happen than just one central coordinator.

Republicans have always sucked at the things Democrats do well. Namely, hiring inner-city poors for small amounts of cash to astroturf protests, to ballot stuff, to ballot harvest, to enroll voters in specific jurisdictions, and to control the media narrative with the help of the academic and journalist sector. Meanwhile, Republicans go to their middle-class and better jobs and ignore the machinations of the other party. The Democrats will win because they have more henchmen and are willing to cross more lines than Republicans. The only crooked thing Republican politicians do is take bribes from large corporations to keep themselves in power, they don't aspire to revolution and thus they are unable to match the capabilities of the DNC and their proxies.

 

[Jfet]

Interesting

 

[Red Leg]

Part of my job the past 30 years has been dealing with conspiracies, malfeasance, and collusion.

The falacy Americans operate under is the notion that most things are conspiracies of a sort like this: a star chamber, a smoke filled room of three piece suit wearing globalists, everyone votes like a scene from the Godfather, and they move forward with their plot. Life rarely works like that.

What does happen is natural forces, independent actors pushing for their own self interests without central organization.

There is no need for a central figure to preside over a conspiracy to screw up an election. Grassroots ballot harvesters. Self-interested criminals illegally voting. Illegals voting for more gimmies. One-party rule election officials choosing to prefer policies that benefit their party. Activist judges ruling in favor of counting rules or eligibility of late-entry ballots. Individuals voting twice. Individuals voting out of district where their vote matters more.

As evidenced by median IQ, net worth, and incarceration rates, one party in America is more inclined to follow rules and lose cleanly, the other party is more inclined to be of "end justifies the means" ilk.

Conspiracies to break the system require no central coordination or cooperation amongst parties.

No argument with any of that Rook - well maybe the corporate bribery thing. But it works exactly the same on both sides of the aisle. Charts similar to the one posted were everywhere following the 20 election because Trump couldn't have possibly lost.

Was there an organized conspiracy to undermine trust in our elections? Perhaps a little if we take into the account the actions of Sidney Powell et all, but generally it was a grassroots reaction to the election fueled by the internet and official looking analysis. I assume we all remember the lurking Kraken.

And as we look at the results of the Georgia runoff, the conviction that their votes would not count kept over 300,000 Trump voters (mostly rural whites) from returning to the ballot box for the runoff. The two democrat senators squeaked through and republicans lost control of the senate. A conspiracy to keep them home? Probably not a formal one, but the net effect of belief in the election theft tale accomplished the same thing.

 

[Tanks]

So who draws the line and on what basis is the line drawn? The line was drawn in this country by our founding fathers. You can like it or dislike it, but you can’t change it, or the fact that the underlying principles are Christian morals.

No argument there in regard to morals. It becomes murky on deciding whose Christian morals as it is not absolute, otherwise there would not be a huge divide in the country regarding reproductive care.