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[Nature Boy]

Battlefields are indeed wasteful places. I have no doubt any number of munitions and small arms (NATO and Russian) will find their way onto the black market. It is a giant step to conclude Ukraine is not diligently employing the weaponry they have been provided as effectively as possible against the Russia's invasion.

And whatever is leaked off the battlefields of Ukraine is a pittance compared to what we left the Taliban in Afghanistan. That debacle is indeed worth additional review.

And no. The US government does not provide the Ukrainian government cash to buy weapon systems. US weapons are provided against the Congressional allocation, and direct contractor provided weapons are provided through DOD contracts written against that allocation. Even the NSAMS ADA system which is a joint Norwegian US project are being provided on DOD contract through Raytheon. Ukraine is not buying them with treasury dollars.

Jeez. Read what you posted. Yes there was planning to put mid-course interceptors in Poland. You do realize that Poland is a NATO member and is not Ukraine don't you? The interceptors also use a conventional warhead - not a nuke. Their placement there was to potentially engage Iranian missiles aimed a Europe.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html

Maybe this is wrong. Doubt that. lots of non wepaon money here

 

[Red Leg]

On May 15, the U.S. Ambassador in Warsaw, Georgette Mosbacher, suggested relocating U.S. nuclear weapons based in Germany to Poland.

Yes, I know. Christ. If you will find YOUR post, you alleged we were going to base nuclear weapons in Ukraine. And then you went off on some sort of tangent about missile defense interceptors. I'm done.

But to quote @Nutureboy -

"That seems fine but you likely have forgot that we planned to put nuclear missiles into Ukraine..."

 

[Nature Boy]

The overuse of “lmao” is childish and will not help you win any argument.

Neither is continuing to ignore posted facts. Regardless, you got your proxy war, hope it works out in our favor. I would rather have 5 new airports and some bridges and roads. I could be wrong and there is no desire by the defense contractors to get all the contracts they can get, needed ot not.

 

[Nature Boy]

Yes, I know. Christ. If you will find YOUR post, you alleged we were going to base nuclear weapons in Ukraine. And then you went off on some sort of tangent about missile defense interceptors. I'm done.

But to quote @Nutureboy -

"That seems fine but you likely have forgot that we planned to put nuclear missiles into Ukraine..."

Keep digging out, we have them in Germany, you think it's not feasible to think that. I just posted that someone in the US admin talked about it. You guys are all the same, lose and then run away or name call. so be it

 

[Nature Boy]

Yes, I know. Christ. If you will find YOUR post, you alleged we were going to base nuclear weapons in Ukraine. And then you went off on some sort of tangent about missile defense interceptors. I'm done.

But to quote @Nutureboy -

"That seems fine but you likely have forgot that we planned to put nuclear missiles into Ukraine..."

On May 15, the U.S. Ambassador in Warsaw, Georgette Mosbacher, suggested relocating U.S. nuclear weapons based in Germany to Poland.

again, try to read

 

[Red Leg]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html

Maybe this is wrong. Doubt that. lots of non wepaon money here

I simply pointed out how the DOD allocations for Ukraine are actually managed. I have no personal experience with the State Department budgeting and allocation process.

On May 15, the U.S. Ambassador in Warsaw, Georgette Mosbacher, suggested relocating U.S. nuclear weapons based in Germany to Poland.

again, try to read

Seriously? Do you truly not understand the difference between Ukraine and Poland?!? This is truly laughable.

Again your words - not mine ""That seems fine but you likely have forgot that we planned to put nuclear missiles into Ukraine..."

 

[Nature Boy]

I simply pointed out how the DOD allocations for Ukraine are actually managed. I have no personal experience with the State Department budgeting and allocation process.

Seriously? Do you truly not understand the difference between Ukraine and Poland?!? This is truly laughable.

Again your words - not mine ""That seems fine but you likely have forgot that we planned to put nuclear missiles into Ukraine..."

So we do give money to Ukraine, ok. Geez, I thought that NATO was pushing for Ukriane to be in NATO? no? Maybe not worth provoking Russia? Again, you guys got your proxy war, they are trying to get upwards of 100B now in total aid. Bet we couldn't use that money since we are all set at home.

 

[Scott CWO]

On May 15, the U.S. Ambassador in Warsaw, Georgette Mosbacher, suggested relocating U.S. nuclear weapons based in Germany to Poland.

again, try to read

Both are NATO members and are obviously not Ukraine.

Again, try to read (your own words). LMAO. You just got busted for a lie. Credibility equals zero.

 

[Nature Boy]

Both are NATO members and are obviously not Ukraine.

Again, try to read (your own words). LMAO

lmao

 

[Scott CWO]

lmao

Credibility = zero. You lied about nuclear weapon plan for Ukraine.

 

[Nature Boy]

Credibility = zero. You lied about nuclear weapon plan for Ukraine.

No, I'll admit I might have said nuclear vs missiles but the point remains. NATO pushed for Ukriane to look west and that triggered Putin.

In theory, it was always known that Ukraine was a potential flashpoint. That is why an internal 1991 U.S. draft paper recommended leaving "the possibility of Ukraine joining the NATO liaison program" for "a later time." In 1993, the U.K. warned Clinton’s national security advisor, Anthony Lake, that "expanding NATO to include Ukraine would cross the very reddest of Russian red lines." Richard Holbrooke, who aggressively pushed NATO expansion, said that NATO was "an alliance [Ukraine] can probably never enter.”

Keep digging out, I enjoy it knowing I beat you.

 

[Nature Boy]

Again, other than stopping the Soviet Empire, nobody has any reason yet as to why Ukraine is so vital to US security. Not 1 answer. We and the euros bought their energy yet they are a big bad wolf. Their economy is pathetic. We should be focusing on china, that is fact and I don't GAF what any of you say, that is a fact.

 

[Scott CWO]

Credibility = zero. You lied about nuclear weapon plan for Ukraine.

 

[Alistair]

Again, other than stopping the Soviet Empire, nobody has any reason yet as to why Ukraine is so vital to US security. Not 1 answer. We and the euros bought their energy yet they are a big bad wolf. Their economy is pathetic. We should be focusing on china, that is fact and I don't GAF what any of you say, that is a fact.

I think I dove into that in depth. If you can't see the nuance beyond the very direct 'we don't buy their stuff directly, ergo they don't matter' then I fear for your understanding of both the world economic landscape and where America derives it's power and position from.

 

[Nature Boy]

I think I dove into that in depth. If you can't see the nuance beyond the very direct 'we don't buy their stuff directly, ergo they don't matter' then I fear for your understanding of both the world economic landscape and where America derives it's power and position from.

You mean we get our economic power from Ukraine? Weird that we buy russian oil, fertilizer and the euros get there energy from Russia. We are buying oil from Venezuela. OPEC told biden to go f himself. I think you know not what you are talking about. But when we stop Russia can you explain the big ecomic benefit we get? I'm not very smart like you guys.

 

[Newboomer]

Opposite, your arguments are. Mine all lead back to the MI complex., grifitng defense contractors and imo I'm 100% correct.

"IMO" says it all and you seem to have great difficulty in recognizing facts offered by others. Facts override opinions in every case. If you are indeed the "expert" you profess to be in so many subjects, please post literal proof in this thread in the form of diplomas, awards, commendations, certificates, etc. If such is not possible, may I respectfully suggest that you cease and desist in your childish tirade and shut up.

 

[Nature Boy]

"IMO" says it all and you seem to have great difficulty in recognizing facts offered by others. Facts override opinions in every case. If you are indeed the "expert" you profess to be in so many subjects, please post literal proof in this thread in the form of diplomas, awards, commendations, certificates, etc. If such is not possible, may I respectfully suggest that you cease and desist in your childish tirade and shut up.

Nah, I posted facts. You simply ignore them. Read about the correlation between supply chains and the serious infaltion we have and other countries have.

 

[Newboomer]

"IMO" says it all and you seem to have great difficulty in recognizing facts offered by others. Facts override opinions in every case. If you are indeed the "expert" you profess to be in so many subjects, please post literal proof in this thread in the form of diplomas, awards, commendations, certificates, etc. If such is not possible, may I respectfully suggest that you cease and desist in your childish tirade and shut up.

nature boy sounds more and more like Vashper all the time. Could he be another Russian propagandist?

 

[Nature Boy]

nature boy sounds more and more like Vashper all the time. Could he be another Russian propagandist?

I owuld bet you are a russian asset actually.

 

[wesheltonj]

(1) It’s my understanding that Defense dollars which don’t actually go to Ukraine but are accounted as aid to Ukraine but I have no idea where State dollars goes, some I suspect Switzerland.

(2) Ive never been in the military or CIA so I don’t know what the life cycle of munitions is for the military and CIA, but I can tell you what they do with them, they blow them up after a heavy rain. Depending on what they are blowing up directly relates the the amount of vibration I can feel in my house. If they are used up and they don’t blow them up near my house for a while, no complaints.