Petition by HSUS and HSI to ban Leopard Import

I agree with johnnyblues, I will not hunt leopard or lion if importation is banned. It's a personal decision for sure, but I will not do it. I would rather put the money toward LED or bongo.

Maybe people will find this offensive, but not being able to import anything on the elephant front for some reason doesn't bother me. I would hunt elephant for the experience. For me the tusks can be copied and just the experience of being up close and personal would be worth the hunt. Financially I have me limits that I'm willing to spend too!!!
 
I don't think this is about anyone being offensive, and, equally, I hope no one takes offence.

I don't think anyone can seriously argue, though, with Royal's point that if as a result of a hunting ban, we stop hunting, then the antis have won. Then emotion has won.

I'm not going to criticize anyone who chooses to make that decision - it's entirely a personal decision.

But we should be under no illusion about the result if all hunters made the same personal decision.
 
No intent to offend at all Johnny. I'm really sorry you're taking it that way. Here is the basic fact of the difference in our philosophies though.

To stop me from hunting in Africa they will have to make hunting itself there illegal. To stop you they only need to make taxidermy illegal or ban it's import. Hunting itself and the financial support it provides it a large part of the solution and in my opinion is a bigger part than anything else we can do as hunters. I will continue to support through hunting no matter what. Based on your own words, not mine, you have limitations.

Again Johnny, it is YOUR decision and I respect it totally. It does however; limit your support. Sorry, but I'm stating a simple fact.
 
Enough said.
 
I have decided that some day when I go back to hunt lions, if the ban is in place, I am going to hunt and kill as many lions as I can afford, and have a picture of lions just stacked up. This will be my statement to the banned.

The problem is I need so many more animals before I make that trip (including leopard).
 
LivingTheDream you made my day, boy oh boy would that piss the antis off.
 
I have decided that some day when I go back to hunt lions, if the ban is in place, I am going to hunt and kill as many lions as I can afford, and have a picture of lions just stacked up. This will be my statement to the banned.

The problem is I need so many more animals before I make that trip (including leopard).

even better put a sign in front of your kills saying the antis are responsible for this
 
I hate the antis so much, you can't imagine how many people give me grief in the hospital for killing those endangered animalso_O
 
I hate the antis so much, you can't imagine how many people give me grief in the hospital for killing those endangered animalso_O

tell them if it weren't for animal experiments and that is much more cruel than hunting they would likely be dead.
 
Saw this this morning. They are at it again! Next we know the Cape Buffalo will be endangered. I have a leopard hunt booked for next May in Zim. I will be watching this closely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-pacelle/donald-trump-jr-may-be-ou_b_11206874.html

Donald Trump Jr. May Be Out Of Luck In Killing More Leopards
Wayne Pacelle President and CEO, The Humane Society of the United States

The son of the Republican nominee for President - the son who favors killing elephants and leopards over golfing and says he wants to become secretary of the Interior Department (which oversees trophy imports) if his father is elected president - might have to set his gunsights elsewhere if HSUS and HSI get our way. On the heels of a series of successful efforts to restrict the import of elephant and lion trophies by upgrading protections for the species and highlighting corrupt management practices in African nations, we filed a legal petition this week to protect yet another of the Africa Big 5 coveted by American trophy hunters: the African leopard. We have petitioned the federal management authority to list African leopards as endangered - a designation that, if adopted, would make it very difficult for American hunters to import trophies of these big cats in the future.

Leopard populations in sub-Saharan Africa have plummeted by more than 30 percent in the last 25 years and experts agree that leopard trophy hunting is unsustainable. But for trophy hunters, who spend thousands of dollars on luxury safaris in a pay-to-slay scheme with a limited number of African nations, leopards are a sought-after prize. An HSUS and HSI analysis shows that between 2005 and 2014 alone, Americans imported parts equating to at least 5,575 individual leopards, nearly half of the global trade in leopard trophies during that period.

And given the cascading population impacts from removing males in their prime, an untold number of leopard cubs have lost their lives to infanticide by incoming males filling the territorial void. The situation is so dire that South Africa - one of the major exporters of leopard trophies - prohibited their export in 2016. Leopards are also losing habitat and prey (who are also targeted by bushmeat hunters) by the minute.

In our legal petition, we provide evidence to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to warrant listing all leopards in Africa as endangered and immediately prohibit the import of leopard trophies unless stringent permitting requirements are met under the Endangered Species Act. The import of live leopards and other leopard parts (such as pelts for the fur trade) are already required to meet these standards, and it is incomprehensible that American trophy hunters have enjoyed a regulatory loophole waiving such requirements since the early 1980s. We are grateful to Dr. Jane Goodall and Dereck Joubert for their support in protecting this majestic animal.

In December 2015 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service changed its regulations in response to our petition to list African lions under the Endangered Species Act, and in 2016 to date no lion trophies have been imported into the United States (following many years when an average of 560 lions were imported as hunting trophies per year). Following another petition we filed, FWS recently cracked down on African elephant trophy imports as part of its effort to address the ivory poaching crisis.

It is time to provide the same level of protection to the African leopard. Donald Trump Jr., Honeywell CEO David Cote, and other over-privileged animal exploiters can use their wealth to entertain themselves in other ways and let these animals be.

This article first appeared on Wayne Pacelle’s blog, A Humane Nation.

Who are their experts? They don't reference any research papers or specific African agencies that have provided this so-called proof. What the hell?
 
Who are their experts? They don't reference any research papers or specific African agencies that have provided this so-called proof. What the hell?

They won't ever let the issues get clouded by the facts. :rolleyes:
 
They won't ever let the issues get clouded by the facts. :rolleyes:
Yes @Royal. I should have noted the sarcasm in my post. Emotional hogwash by the left!
 
Agree Johnny. Not saying we shouldn't fight, we should.

I'm saying an import ban shouldn't stop us from a LEGAL hunt. Antis will make the same argument you just did except saying that a cat shouldn't be killed just to sit in your living room. That certainly doesn't sit well with them. If there isn't another option why not still hunt? Hunting is supposed to be about the memories and experience. I can get that without taxidermy.

Wars are won with lost battles lost. I won't stop hunting an animal I want to hunt because of an import ban and a lost battle. Doing so strengthens the other side and adds credence to their win. I will keep hunting what I want and keep doing what I can to get an import ban reversed while doing so.

Although I agree with @johnnyblues that there should be a more organized and better funded organization focused on aggressively and proactively defending hunters rights..... Royal makes a great point. We hunters should not bend to current political whims and the wishes of these nefarious anti hunters who could care less about the facts or the wildlife.

When the ban on importing Zimbabwe elephant went on, and the price dropped on the hunt I wanted from $37,000 to $20,000... It was suddenly too good a deal for me to pass up. In fact if not for the ban on importing elephant, I doubt I would have hunted one yet. And that would really have left me without a truly unforgettable experience.

And without hunting that elephant, it would have left that local village without the source of meat they have come to rely on, and without the funds to operate their community school, do what little maintenance the district can do on the roads, fund the reserves to compensate locals for damage done by elephants, etc.

The ban understandably caused cancellation of higher priced trophy hunts that had been booked... However the PH had the foresight to realize that making some money on day fees and a tip was better than making no money! and he was very concerned that if he did not harvest an elephant the locals would be upset and might do something detrimental to the herds..... You see they depend on not only the meat, but the fact that a hunter dropping one old bull out of the herd keeps the herd wary of humans and away from the village where otherwise the corn fields and village corn cribs are just too tempting to resist! and when you are a Zimbabwean villager living a subsistence lifestyle with a base diet or ground corn, a herd of elephants can devastate your family and community in one night of crop raiding! With active hunting in the area, not only does it keep the elephants wary of humans but it also provides funding to compensate for crops raided by the beasts.

This was the most physically and mentally challenging hunt I've ever been on but that made it also the most rewarding! Trophies or not!!! No one can take those memories away;)
 
Local villagers collecting the meat.

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Corn crib, hardly able to stop an elephant from taking what it wants.
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I understand your point Bob and I do respect the opinion of those that will do a hunt on an animal that cannot be imported. I've received many private messages from members who feel the way I do but I suspect they don't want to express that here on AH. And this is why we need proper representation to support our sport and in the end the well being of the animals we hunt and the local villagers we help. Many many people don't understand our sport and the good hunters do. They only see films such as blood lions to form an opinion of hunting and hunters. Some of us feel they need to not say they hunt in mixed company for fear of being seen as a selfish killer. I have never ever hid my passion for the sport no matter where I am. And I never will! But until we reach the non hunting public we the proper information we will continue to loose ground and further push us into hiding from something we love to do.
 
I think the point Royal was making was that by NOT continuing to go on legal hunts simply because we are citizens of a government treading on our rights to import legally taken trophies... The antis have won! If we just go on the hunt anyway... We are sending them a different message.

One more along the lines of this rather eloquent fellow.........

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Pictures are worth a 1000 words.

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