Peep sites

[deewayne2003]

I guess the advantage is one doesn't need to fumble in the daypack to switch to an attachable peep (e.g. NECG). Instead, one has to fumble with resetting the shroud mounted peep to needed windage. I do not see how the peep in his site photo would see over the scope base without readjusting windage. Seems if the peep is mounted high enough to see over scope base, it would be bumping into ocular bell ... unless high rings are used. A scope mounted high = poor acquisition + more felt recoil. This is just me thinking aloud based only on perceptions of what I'm seeing in the photo. Be interested to hear from someone who has fitted this peep on their gun.

Your perceptions are wrong......

There is no adjustment or fumbling needed what so ever, the aperture is low in the picture to show it out of the way in the stored position.

Windage is set and then sighted in for elevation, the appropriate marks/stops for the detent are then filed in.

You want to use the sight, remove the scope and then turn the elevation knob to the right until the sight raises to the appropriate location which has been filed into the face of the opposite side of the vertical adjustment knob.

So here is the sight in the storage position

And the sight in the working position - Notice the aperture and adjustment knob have both raised.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

As to the original post, the concept of the forward mounted scopes on the Scout Rifle was in response to wanting a rifle to travel to Africa, but if the scope broke during travel, could still use his preferred ghost ring sites! The military ideas associated with it are because he was hunting in the 1970-80’s when Africa was very unstable and he wanted to be able to fight if needed.

I think he would have liked the “bolt peeps” as backups as well! The sight states they work well with quick release scope mounts so I assume it’s meant as a backup.

QD rings are intended to switch from scope to irons as desired, not necessarily as required. I might want to remove my scope when hunting in adverse weather or rugged terrain. Irons are certainly better for hunting in rain or snow. Scope may be better for shooting in poor light and/or long range. The concept is to change sighting systems quickly (as close to instantly as possible) to meet different situations without having to check or reset zero. Backup due to scope failure is only one situation.

 

[WAB]

Your perceptions are wrong......

There is no adjustment or fumbling needed what so ever, the aperture is low in the picture to show it out of the way in the stored position.

Windage is set and then sighted in for elevation, the appropriate marks/stops for the detent are then filed in.

You want to use the sight, remove the scope and then turn the elevation knob to the right until the sight raises to the appropriate location which has been filed into the face of the opposite side of the vertical adjustment knob.

So here is the sight in the storage position
View attachment 666346

And the sight in the working position - Notice the aperture and adjustment knob have both raised.
View attachment 666347

That is fantastic! I’m pretty sure I need one!

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Your perceptions are wrong......

There is no adjustment or fumbling needed what so ever, the aperture is low in the picture to show it out of the way in the stored position.

Windage is set and then sighted in for elevation, the appropriate marks/stops for the detent are then filed in.

You want to use the sight, remove the scope and then turn the elevation knob to the right until the sight raises to the appropriate location which has been filed into the face of the opposite side of the vertical adjustment knob.

So here is the sight in the storage position
View attachment 666346

And the sight in the working position - Notice the aperture and adjustment knob have both raised.
View attachment 666347

The sight still must be raised. Operator must have sufficient light, eyesight, and manual dexterity to make the sight operational. At 72 years my eyesight sucks and dexterity is not so great especially when my arthritic fingers are cold. Making one of these sights work in the field could easily entail some "fumbling". Both my 404 Mauser and 30-06 Springfield have Warne QD rings and Winchester Safari Express barrel mounted iron sights. When the scope comes off all that's required to make irons operational is flip up the rear sight leaf. Instantly I have iron sights.

And what if another load is developed that groups differently? File another notch on the sight? And then another? Wait ... which notch am I using today?

 

[Lumaberpat]

QD rings are intended to switch from scope to irons as desired, not necessarily as required. I might want to remove my scope when hunting in adverse weather or rugged terrain. Irons are certainly better for hunting in rain or snow. Scope may be better for shooting in poor light and/or long range. The concept is to change sighting systems quickly (as close to instantly as possible) to meet different situations without having to check or reset zero. Backup due to scope failure is only one situation.

Never thought of using them like that but I like the idea!

 

[deewayne2003]

That is fantastic! I’m pretty sure I need one!

^^^^ That is exactly what I thought when I got to see/use one on the range for the first time.

My .404J is being built on a BRNO 602 and will have the cocking piece rear sight, the factory rear sight block will have a replacement installed for RMR QD mount; which will leave the factory mounts open for a scope on QD rings.

 

[deewayne2003]

The sight still must be raised. Operator must have sufficient light, eyesight, and manual dexterity to make the sight operational. At 72 years my eyesight sucks and dexterity is not so great especially when my arthritic fingers are cold. Making one of these sights work in the field could easily entail some "fumbling". Both my 404 Mauser and 30-06 Springfield have Warne QD rings and Winchester Safari Express barrel mounted iron sights. When the scope comes off all that's required to make irons operational is flip up the rear sight leaf. Instantly I have iron sights.

And what if another load is developed that groups differently? File another notch on the sight? And then another? Wait ... which notch am I using today?

So your literally dreaming up shit to worry about........

 

[Considering Africa]

LOL, may want to check the spelling on this thread. There’s a pretty vast difference between a peep site and a peep sight!

I got lazy and used the phones dictation software to make the post initially so it spelled sites this way instead of sights.

 

[towserthemouser]

I got lazy and used the phones dictation software to make the post initially so it spelled sites this way instead of sights.

Dear Siri: I am NEVER trying to say "Ducking."

 

[Ontario Hunter]

So your literally dreaming up shit to worry about........

Let me dream a little more. There's no increments on this sight. Not that I can see anyway. So how does that work when sighting it in? I loosen the wheel and guess how far I moved it from the last attempt? Or maybe I could mark it with a pen and hope to be able to see it after the wheel is loosened. Sounds like a fumblefest to me.

Before making a choice for sight options it is best to look at all possible scenarios.

 

[Jefferry404]

for the sight pictured by deewayne2003, here is the dimension, weight is 420.6gn, 27.3grams,1.0oz.

mine was to have the ball detent but i guess i have no balls (i might of changed the order at the last minute (bought in 2022.
With the detent option, as the dial rotates, for each desired elevation setting, a notch is filed for the ball to set into.
Steve

 

[Ontario Hunter]

for the sight pictured by deewayne2003, here is the dimension, weight is 420.6gn, 27.3grams,1.0oz.
View attachment 666380

mine was to have the ball detent but i guess i have no balls (i might of changed the order at the last minute (bought in 2022.
With the detent option, as the dial rotates, for each desired elevation setting, a notch is filed for the ball to set into.
Steve

Ah, so the ball detent option allows one to simply count the clicks. I think for match shooting that option might not be desirable. Free floating lockup would make for finer tuning.

I checked my Mauser and the distance between center of striker and edge of ocular bell is 0.82". If the sight locking disk is centered on the shroud, this setup would not fit my gun. Not enough scope clearance. But my 30mm scope is mounted quite low (a $5 bill just passes between bolt handle and ocular bell). Perhaps a 1" scope tube might have a bit more clearance. Or higher rings ( = medium). Looking at the photo it also seems to me a machinist might be able to modify the peep so it slides down lower.

 

[Huvius]

Ah, so the ball detent option allows one to simply count the clicks. I think for match shooting that option might not be desirable. Free floating lockup would make for finer tuning.

It doesn’t work that way.
I had an original 333 Jeffery with their patent peep and it was graduated for 100/200/300yds (iirc) so you simply dialed to that distance.
I’ll see if I can find a picture of that rifle when I get home in a couple days.

 

[Huvius]

It doesn’t work that way.
I had an original 333 Jeffery with their patent peep and it was graduated for 100/200/300yds (iirc) so you simply dialed to that distance.
I’ll see if I can find a picture of that rifle when I get home in a couple days.

Ah, found them posted on another site.
They went to 5, which I guess is 500yds, never tried…
Mine folded down too so less likely to hit a scope but my rifle was never scoped.

And the Jeffery ad from the period: