Overserved, but happy as hell to escape tyranny

En realidad... lo llaman Rakija (la versión de alcohol ilegal de Slivo...) localmente en Croacia, Serbia y Bosnia... maldito licor sabroso aunque... ¡ZIVELI...!
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It's a reasonable concern, @ActionBob . Wisconsin is a classic "Purple State" where they mix their politics in odd ways. What I will say about WI Democrats is they are generally good people. Normal people. They just pull the lever because of a farm bill, or a union contract, or because they fear the uber-rich. While I don’t like the natural conclusion of the rural democrat’s policies, I like the human beings very much.

For those in the thread that we’re contemplating a similar move, let me share what my search consisted of as it may inspire you to narrow your search radius.

I like Wisconsin because it is a hunting State, the people are incredibly friendly, and the culture of fish fry Fridays, Packer tailgating at the local pub, and the fact schools close for the deer opening day all impress me. The Protestant work ethic is strong and the ethnicities that settled the area have made a positive impact over the past 150 years. Dutch, Germans, Belgians, French, Amish/Mennonite, and Swiss heritage abounds. Every State has refugees, not all of them good, but WI imported Hmong Vietnamese capitalist sympathizers after the fall of Saigon. The Asian population is fully integrated, hard working, and Wisconsin values through and through. Great neighbors and business owners.

So once I decided on a State I set a standard of at least 5 acres, hopefully more, and I wanted to be one hour from an airport. That meant Southern WI for O’Hare, or the Milwaukee suburbs, Or Minneapolis suburbs. I found with my search parameters you would be spending $500,000 to 5,000,000 on a home that meets those parameters in the southern part of the State (Chicago access) or in the Milwaukee region too. But the Minneapolis cooridor, on the WI side, less than one hour from a major airport, you will spend $300,000-$1,200,000 for a pretty fantastic property and the home sites are zoned 30 acres or bigger. I94 interstate gets you everywhere at 80mph. Minneapolis airport is the 14th busiest in North America with more flights than Boston Logan.

Bottom line, west central Wisconsin has access to first world necessities like airports, high speed internet, cell signal, express ways, Costco, Home Depot, and other signs of civilization. But, you’re paying 1/4th the price for homes and land than you would in the other regions of the State and development is limited by 30 acre zoning rules.

4 miles away a bow hunting lady killed a 195 B&C on her little hobby farm and the locals care about deer management. No casinos. No First Nation rights to poach or molest wildlife unfettered by conservation rules. No Minneapolis politics. A more modest progressive income tax than Minnesota. Plenty of land use programs and conservation/forestry subsidies for those that want to set aside conservation land rather than till it. Two State universities within 15 miles.

Highly recommend anyone trying to escape woke cities take a look at the land in Wisconsin east of Minneapolis on the I94 corridor.

My opinion when I looked at what you get for your money is that dollars go far in this area and the home prices are irrationally low compared to the other areas that afford similar access to good jobs.
Good on you. Went through the same process in 2013. However, I once made a sacred vow to never ever toss another shovel full of snow again in my life if I could help it. Our corner of Texas meets most of the same criteria you listed - though thankfully without the threat of hypothermia. ;)

Congrats on the decision and the courage to do it.
 
Friends,

I'm just drinking my second full glass of Slivovitz (eastern European brandy) so my cogent thoughts are limited. Why Slivo? Because it represents European moonshine that was made with self reliance on a rural farm from whatever stone fruits they had in their orchards. (in my case, its plum based white liquor)

Why am I drinking it? I left southern Wisconsin by dropping out of high school with a 0.43 GPA having been informed that I didn't have what it takes to pursue higher learning. I was 17, I sold all my possessions, I harnessed my capital into two cheap suits, $750 in cash, and I headed for Chicago to try to find my way in life since my prospects for a brighter tomorrow were damned limited. I had a 5-year plan to make a few bucks, save away, and come back to Wisconsin with enough money to own a piece of land to enjoy fishing, hunting, and all things local community.

Well, the 5-year plan took 25 years to accomplish. I got a few consulting gigs, then my career progressed to the point of teaching grad students on the side. Then I did nationwide consulting. Then I picked up an MBA and started serving companies as an executive. All the while, getting out of socialist hellhole Illinois was on the forefront of my mind every day for 25 years.

My Sh*tty Illinois house sold today. I lost $350k on it over 15 years in this toxic hellhole of a State. I have a good job that allows me to hop a plane for work. I'm buying 30+ acres of virgin forest and prairie in Wisconsin with 1300' of prime trout fishing frontage in two weeks. I'm moving my family to a place that believes in two genders, hard work, and kindness towards their neighbors. I should have my little slice of paradise paid off in a year or so with 70% down payment.

Yep. I'm overserved, happier than I've been in 25 years, and I did it. I got the good Chicago job, plotted my career, plotted my escape, and I'm getting the hell out of here!

So now you know why I'm drinking the official drink of most of the Wisconsin settlers and so damned gleeful about leaving the woke leftism of Illinois permanently.

The only concern I have left in the world is if my less informed neighbors start to vote for the same policies that destroyed Illinois and created a 25-year cage for me to escape in the process. Lets hope the rural states reject leftist thinking and solve their problems as neighbors rather than as authoritarians with central control over all thought.

Cheers!

Welcome to the neighborhood Roothwak! If you are drinking Slivovitz you are already fitting in well. You will also learn that the only liquor for an Old Fashioned is brandy and Friday's are for fish frys.

So that you can plan accordingly ... there are 3 holidays here ... Thanksgiving, Christmas, and deer gun hunting week. ;)
 
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I was born in Northern California after WWII. It was a paradise. At that time the population of the state was about 8 million people and there was a lot of rural land. The education system was outstanding, the roads and infrastructure were good, politics was a back burner amusement.

Today there are about 40 million people in California and most of them came from somewhere else. There is little access to land, the attitude is not gun-friendly, the politics are ridiculous and the cost of everything is sky high.

Several years ago I removed myself, rented my house in Palo Alto, bought a house and land in SE Arizona about 20 miles north of the border. Probably should have done this years ago.Now I'm thinking about a summer/fall place up north where there are trout and birds.

Many people are now realizing that they do not have to live like rats and they are removing themselves from the rat race of urban and suburban areas. Hopefully, they remember why the left and leave their politics and petty attitudes behind.
 
Friends,

I'm just drinking my second full glass of Slivovitz (eastern European brandy) so my cogent thoughts are limited. Why Slivo? Because it represents European moonshine that was made with self reliance on a rural farm from whatever stone fruits they had in their orchards. (in my case, its plum based white liquor)

Why am I drinking it? I left southern Wisconsin by dropping out of high school with a 0.43 GPA having been informed that I didn't have what it takes to pursue higher learning. I was 17, I sold all my possessions, I harnessed my capital into two cheap suits, $750 in cash, and I headed for Chicago to try to find my way in life since my prospects for a brighter tomorrow were damned limited. I had a 5-year plan to make a few bucks, save away, and come back to Wisconsin with enough money to own a piece of land to enjoy fishing, hunting, and all things local community.

Well, the 5-year plan took 25 years to accomplish. I got a few consulting gigs, then my career progressed to the point of teaching grad students on the side. Then I did nationwide consulting. Then I picked up an MBA and started serving companies as an executive. All the while, getting out of socialist hellhole Illinois was on the forefront of my mind every day for 25 years.

My Sh*tty Illinois house sold today. I lost $350k on it over 15 years in this toxic hellhole of a State. I have a good job that allows me to hop a plane for work. I'm buying 30+ acres of virgin forest and prairie in Wisconsin with 1300' of prime trout fishing frontage in two weeks. I'm moving my family to a place that believes in two genders, hard work, and kindness towards their neighbors. I should have my little slice of paradise paid off in a year or so with 70% down payment.

Yep. I'm overserved, happier than I've been in 25 years, and I did it. I got the good Chicago job, plotted my career, plotted my escape, and I'm getting the hell out of here!

So now you know why I'm drinking the official drink of most of the Wisconsin settlers and so damned gleeful about leaving the woke leftism of Illinois permanently.

The only concern I have left in the world is if my less informed neighbors start to vote for the same policies that destroyed Illinois and created a 25-year cage for me to escape in the process. Lets hope the rural states reject leftist thinking and solve their problems as neighbors rather than as authoritarians with central control over all thought.

Cheers!
We have room for you again up her in Big Wisci! Deer hunting in the 608 is the place to be. Rural Stoughton would welcome ya brother!
 
Congratulations Rookhawk on what I'm sure is a beautiful place and much deserved move to Wyoming. I would also like to thank you for all of your guidance and information on rifles and outfitters. All the best to you and your family.

HH
 
Congratulations. It's a perfect way to thumb your nose at the naysayers so long ago. I used similar location criteria in 2008 but wanted saltwater access. One hour to Tampa airport, two hours to Orlando airport and the price on a canal with direct access is 1/3 vs. Clearwater and other Tampa or St. Petersburg locals. When February arrives and you want to thaw out, let me know!

John
 
Eau du Vive I believe
Almost ;) Eau de Vie , literally translated as " life water" or " water of life" as you will. You certainly know you're alive after drinking it.

Happy to see you find your place. Overall I think the left has run its course. The pendulum is swinging back, I am hopeful. Europe is coming to its senses. I think America will too. Your midterm elections will show how much.
 
Life is a puzzle, you can’t predicts the outcome, 5 years plan took 25 years. That’s an extra 20 years in between. Glad it all worked out for you in the end. We all have to make the best out of whatever we have.
 
Friends,

I'm just drinking my second full glass of Slivovitz (eastern European brandy) so my cogent thoughts are limited. Why Slivo? Because it represents European moonshine that was made with self reliance on a rural farm from whatever stone fruits they had in their orchards. (in my case, its plum based white liquor)

Why am I drinking it? I left southern Wisconsin by dropping out of high school with a 0.43 GPA having been informed that I didn't have what it takes to pursue higher learning. I was 17, I sold all my possessions, I harnessed my capital into two cheap suits, $750 in cash, and I headed for Chicago to try to find my way in life since my prospects for a brighter tomorrow were damned limited. I had a 5-year plan to make a few bucks, save away, and come back to Wisconsin with enough money to own a piece of land to enjoy fishing, hunting, and all things local community.

Well, the 5-year plan took 25 years to accomplish. I got a few consulting gigs, then my career progressed to the point of teaching grad students on the side. Then I did nationwide consulting. Then I picked up an MBA and started serving companies as an executive. All the while, getting out of socialist hellhole Illinois was on the forefront of my mind every day for 25 years.

My Sh*tty Illinois house sold today. I lost $350k on it over 15 years in this toxic hellhole of a State. I have a good job that allows me to hop a plane for work. I'm buying 30+ acres of virgin forest and prairie in Wisconsin with 1300' of prime trout fishing frontage in two weeks. I'm moving my family to a place that believes in two genders, hard work, and kindness towards their neighbors. I should have my little slice of paradise paid off in a year or so with 70% down payment.

Yep. I'm overserved, happier than I've been in 25 years, and I did it. I got the good Chicago job, plotted my career, plotted my escape, and I'm getting the hell out of here!

So now you know why I'm drinking the official drink of most of the Wisconsin settlers and so damned gleeful about leaving the woke leftism of Illinois permanently.

The only concern I have left in the world is if my less informed neighbors start to vote for the same policies that destroyed Illinois and created a 25-year cage for me to escape in the process. Lets hope the rural states reject leftist thinking and solve their problems as neighbors rather than as authoritarians with central control over all thought.

Cheers!
Congratulations on your success and on your move. I live in extreme southeastern NC (very little woke-ism here so far), and I have a little hunting/get-away cabin on about 100 acres in a very rural section of southern VA. No woke neighbors at all there. (Shhhhhhh. I'm hoping it stays that way.)
 
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